CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 9

[GrainneDhu]

This time the thread was in the middle of page 2. We must keep M/M Harrod in the forefront with good thoughts and prayers if nothing else.

Sadly, I think that if Bob is ever found, it will be one of those hunter or hiker or dogwalker finds.

And having typed that, I wonder if there is anyone who does presentations along the lines of "be alert when you're out in the wild, here's the sort of thing to look for, here's what to do if you do find what you think may be human remains."

If there are pre-planned presentations or materials like that, maybe trying to get them into the hands of hunting organisations, hiking clubs, dog training clubs, vets and groomers would help. If not Bob, then maybe someone else.

 

[Cubby]

Everyday, at some point during the day, I say to myself, "It's a beatiful day for Bob's case to be solved. Bob located, arrest(s) made and charges filed".

....one of these days, it is going to happen.

 

[gitana1]

Here is a question for our very own gitana1-

If Bob has an attorney, does the attorney have the responsibility of making sure Bob and his interests are represented separately? For example, let's say Bob was being unmercifully slandered on the www, or his money was being distributed contrary to the trust document.

Am I making sense?

Sorry, I;m very behind on this case. The answer is it depends on what the attorney was hired to do. Estate planners generally just draft the documents (wills/trusts), they are not there to ensure their client's wishes are carried out. That's what executors and conservators are supposed to be for. We can see how well that's working out here.

FYI, some of the actions and terms of the settlement agreement are outlined starting on Page 20 of the court document at link below.

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Everyone needs to read this. Thank you so much for that. Where did counsel get his facts? In most memorandum of points and authorities, a statement of facts is supported by a referred to declaration and other evidence. Here, it is not, which means it is likely a re-recitation of facts. I think I need to read the whole record.

In any event, wow. It's so stark and horrible and clear to me. Poor man, he never stood a chance in the face of such sharks for family.

Weren't these your words?

ETA: I didn't want to stay on the computer where I was at long. But yes, she's scared. She's scared because no one expected the housekeeper to show up and that threw a wrench in whatever was planned. She should be scared because at some point LE is going to solve this case and she isn't going to come out smelling like a rose. Nor will her husband or son.

BBM- That sounds like you are calling her guilty to me!

Hey, I'll say it - She's GUILTY. Of what? I'm not sure. Maybe murder, maybe of being an accessory to murder.

But, I'm not saying that because of her voice. That's just annoying. Which is what Cubby appeared to be saying. An annoying voice on top of being a liar is too much to stomach.

No, it's because of various facts, like those cited in the link I just referred to above. And, in this video, her tone, her demeanor, her facial expressions and body language all indicate she is lying through her teeth, IMO. Now, why would she do that? Only if she is guilty of something horrible, I think. :twocents:

 

[gitana1]

I was giving my husband a synopsis of the case because I wanted to hear his thoughts on it (he's much more people savvy than I am). As I talked and talked, as I explained this tentacle and that tentacle reaching out from the central horror that is the answer to the question "what happened to Bob?" I realised once again, truth really is stranger than fiction.

This is King Lear with a particularly bittersweet twist.

I wonder if there are any authors out there who would find it as compelling as we do?

My first candidate would be Jon Krakauer; he's got incredible integrity, he researches and fact checks and researches and re-checks until he's built a steel clad case and then he writes it up in a way that just keeps you turning the pages. Under the Banner of Heaven is a page turner, even though you know from the first couple pages the outline of what happened.

Any other suggestions?

Wow, great post.

I''m sure there are many writers who would do this case justice. But, I can't think of who would be best.

 

[gitana1]

Do we know anything about what happened in court yesterday?

I did not hear about any such court date. It looks like an accounting of what is happening with Mr. Harrod's estate was due. That is a document. Not sure the outcome.

I have on my calendar the next actual hearing date of July 25, 2012. I intend to go and report back to you all. I also intend to be well versed in this case before that. I am not yet up to speed ( but clearly feel I have heard enough to come to a pretty firm opinion!).

 

[suzyq211]

Sadly, I think that if Bob is ever found, it will be one of those hunter or hiker or dogwalker finds.

And having typed that, I wonder if there is anyone who does presentations along the lines of "be alert when you're out in the wild, here's the sort of thing to look for, here's what to do if you do find what you think may be human remains."

If there are pre-planned presentations or materials like that, maybe trying to get them into the hands of hunting organisations, hiking clubs, dog training clubs, vets and groomers would help. If not Bob, then maybe someone else.

I agree, I always thought that would be the way Bob will be found. That is a great idea, right there, about presentations for hikers and hunters, etc. There are SO MANY people that have disappeared into thin air, they have to be somewhere. So sad.

 

[Cubby]

I did not hear about any such court date. It looks like an accounting of what is happening with Mr. Harrod's estate was due. That is a document. Not sure the outcome.

I have on my calendar the next actual hearing date of July 25, 2012. I intend to go and report back to you all. I also intend to be well versed in this case before that. I am not yet up to speed ( but clearly feel I have heard enough to come to a pretty firm opinion!).

The thank you button wasn't enough, gitana. So wish I could accompany you, but So. Cal is a long ways from Chi town, so that will have to wait until it's time for the criminal trial. I plan to do my best to be in attendance at that time.

Looking forward to hearing your update(s) from feet on the ground as you can.

 

[gitana1]

I'm in court now loOking at the documents in the case online, in the filing dept. It appears that on June 4th, the parties agreed to a temporary judge to hear the case and a ruling on the conservators' filed accounting of what's left and requests for attorneys fees has been taken under submission by the judge. Basically, the judge will approve their accounting and request for fees, or not. The sum of $864,732.00 is what is left of Mr. Harrods accounts and it looks like there are still outstanding attorneys fees (considerable) being requested. I was told there is a hearing set for 7/25 but I see no future hearings scheduled.

 

[gitana1]

This is confusing to me because I am looking at Fontelles trial brief filed 9/30/11 but I see trial dates that occurred in February and May of 2010 and no other hearing dates except accountings. Maybe they only post them in the probate notes which I don't see here, but should, IIRC.
I can't tell what, if anything, has happened to Fontelles request for a neutral conservator nor if her demand that the judgment be enforced and the monies due her per the settlement (which I cannot find a copy of), be paid, was granted by the court.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I did not hear about any such court date. It looks like an accounting of what is happening with Mr. Harrod's estate was due. That is a document. Not sure the outcome.

I have on my calendar the next actual hearing date of July 25, 2012. I intend to go and report back to you all. I also intend to be well versed in this case before that. I am not yet up to speed ( but clearly feel I have heard enough to come to a pretty firm opinion!).

Gitana, words fail me. I cannot describe your awesome-ness.

I have this weird feeling that Bob just needs some small thing to act as the pebble that starts the avalanche.

 

[Angelo]

I'm in court now loOking at the documents in the case online, in the filing dept. It appears that on June 4th, the parties agreed to a temporary judge to hear the case and a ruling on the conservators' filed accounting of what's left and requests for attorneys fees has been taken under submission by the judge. Basically, the judge will approve their accounting and request for fees, or not. The sum of $864,732.00 is what is left of Mr. Harrods accounts and it looks like there are still outstanding attorneys fees (considerable) being requested. I was told there is a hearing set for 7/25 but I see no future hearings scheduled.

BBM~~~~


Thank you!!!!!!!!

 

[Angelo]

I'm in court now loOking at the documents in the case online, in the filing dept. It appears that on June 4th, the parties agreed to a temporary judge to hear the case and a ruling on the conservators' filed accounting of what's left and requests for attorneys fees has been taken under submission by the judge. Basically, the judge will approve their accounting and request for fees, or not. The sum of $864,732.00 is what is left of Mr. Harrods accounts and it looks like there are still outstanding attorneys fees (considerable) being requested. I was told there is a hearing set for 7/25 but I see no future hearings scheduled.

Is there an amount for the outstanding attorney's fees?

 

[gitana1]

Gitana, words fail me. I cannot describe your awesome-ness.

I have this weird feeling that Bob just needs some small thing to act as the pebble that starts the avalanche.

Thank you so much! I was in court already and decided to check the filing department because you can view the documents there, on the computer. I can't view them online outside court.

Also, I wanted to address one of your posts from before. If you are worried about a fraudulent conservator situation happening to you, you can designate your own conservator, in advance.

But make sure you choose wisely. Sadly, Mr. Harrod chose his "unusual" daughters and never changed that in his living will. That's why they have been approved as his conservators thus far.

 

[Cubby]

gitana, there are two seperate concurrent cases. Maybe that is why you are seeing the 07/25 date for the one and not the other? One is regarding the trust, the other the conservatorship.

Words fail me as well. Mr Harrod originally had more than 2 million- If not more.

The sum of $864,732.00 is what is left of Mr. Harrods accounts

:furious:

 

[tlcya]

gitana, there are two seperate concurrent cases. Maybe that is why you are seeing the 07/25 date for the one and not the other? One is regarding the trust, the other the conservatorship.

Words fail me as well. Mr Harrod originally had more than 2 million- If not more.


:furious:

After the attorneys fees are paid, even less so. Very sad when people quibble over a family member's money. The only ones who come out ahead are the lawyers and often the entire inheritance is eaten up with the fees the fight generated.

 

[gitana1]

Is there an amount for the outstanding attorney's fees?

It appears so. They are requesting about 14 k for one attorney and 10k for another, from my quick scan. I think the 14k was factored in to the total that is remaining in Mr. Harrod's accounts, but not the 10k.

 

[believe09]

I did not hear about any such court date. It looks like an accounting of what is happening with Mr. Harrod's estate was due. That is a document. Not sure the outcome.

I have on my calendar the next actual hearing date of July 25, 2012. I intend to go and report back to you all. I also intend to be well versed in this case before that. I am not yet up to speed ( but clearly feel I have heard enough to come to a pretty firm opinion!).

:bow: :bow:

Thank you. I am speechless at your generosity.

 

[gitana1]

gitana, there are two seperate concurrent cases. Maybe that is why you are seeing the 07/25 date for the one and not the other? One is regarding the trust, the other the conservatorship.

Words fail me as well. Mr Harrod originally had more than 2 million- If not more.

:furious:

I see only one case under Mr. Harrod's name. I'm not seeing a 7/25 date anywhere. Someone here told me about the date.

 

[Cubby]

After the attorneys fees are paid, even less so. Very sad when people quibble over a family member's money. The only ones who come out ahead are the lawyers and often the entire inheritance is eaten up with the fees the fight generated.

Then we should expect to see over 1 million in attorney's fee's, no?

Additionally, Mr. Harrod has not been declared deceased, so where has the money gone?

 

[believe09]

I'm in court now loOking at the documents in the case online, in the filing dept. It appears that on June 4th, the parties agreed to a temporary judge to hear the case and a ruling on the conservators' filed accounting of what's left and requests for attorneys fees has been taken under submission by the judge. Basically, the judge will approve their accounting and request for fees, or not. The sum of $864,732.00 is what is left of Mr. Harrods accounts and it looks like there are still outstanding attorneys fees (considerable) being requested. I was told there is a hearing set for 7/25 but I see no future hearings scheduled.

:thud:

Shall we review again who was motivated by greed here?

Perhaps you can weigh in on this, gitana-this appears to be the first time that the co conservators have petitioned the court to pay the attorney fees here. So I have to wonder what has been going on with the last two plus years when it comes to the attorney fees? Have they simply been paid and not petitioned?

The hearing on 7/25 is a request to have Bob's wife pay rent at the marital residence.

Really. Not kidding.