CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[iamafiusny]

That’s good! Each of us here have an opinion, this is still an open investigation so no need to prove opinions right or wrong as long as it complies with WS’s TOS.

If anyone here followed in the past the tragic case of the two young men who went on a brief murder spree in BC and then fled to northern Manitoba, recalling that is a perfect example of how the RCMP do not release much if any information during an active investigation, even though they were on top of things all along.

Yes, I have every confidence they are on top of things.

All sorts of opinions and theories will be floated as we hope for news, I appreciate reading all of them.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

Isn't it Pictou County???????

www.pcwastemgmt.com

Tuesdays.

You might need to look by there specific address.

I know I'm in USA and it's not the same, but even though there are many houses in a county, some roads aren't covered by municipal garbage and have to arrange their own. I think it depends on how far out you are from the village center.

If it's the same in their area their road might need private garbage.

Moo

 

[Chimera]

Eta : Clarifying.

As far as I know, it's standard operating procedure to focus inwards on the parents/caregivers and work outwards from there.

No one is a poi and no one has been cleared, either -- because it's still a missing person's case.
Very depressing to think this might not have a happy ending.

At this time, I doubt the RCMP think they have a kidnapping.
If they're now narrowing their search to previously explored areas, they may feel the kids didn't wander far at all ?
Omo.

 

[tarabull]

You might need to look by there specific address.

I know I'm in USA and it's not the same, but even though there are many houses in a county, some roads aren't covered by municipal garbage and have to arrange their own. I think it depends on how far out you are from the village center.

If it's the same in their area their road might need private garbage.

Moo

I have been on maps and the pictou county www and am pretty confident (99%) in my conclusion.

ETA: merely human.

 

[Skigh]

Yes, I have every confidence they are on top of things.

All sorts of opinions and theories will be floated as we hope for news, I appreciate reading all of them.

Moo

Exchanging thoughts and opinions is the reason I am on Websleuths. It is always good to be able to share ideas and to also hear new view points from others.

 

[MistyWaters]

Well the victims are the babies right? So here goes: obviously this all just my opinion and I sincerely hope I’m wrong but … it doesn’t take two to feed a baby so I’m not buying that they were both in the bedroom feeding her and they kept falling back to sleep. I think there could be others reasons for them being awake one minute and ‘asleep’ the next. I also think that perhaps the two little ones perhaps found some things they shouldn’t have, decided to eat the ‘sweets’ they found and suddenly here we are. School was closed on Wednesday, meaning there were two days for someone to attempt to find their way out of the mess that ensued. All my own opinion of course

Yes an accidental death by overdose could occur if children digested anything poisonous including drugs. Not sure if you’re Canadian but ‘sweets’ are legal in Canada. The worst case scenario with an example like that would be if the parents decided to fabricate a story about a disappearance in fear of losing custody of the younger child due to negligent parenting.
JMO

 

[tarabull]

For consideration FWIW:

Cannabis poisonings in children - Canada.ca

Learn to recognize the signs of cannabis poisoning and what to do about it. Taking action quickly can help prevent serious harm.

www.canada.ca

 

[Chimera]

If my children were missing, and so were their shoes, jumping to, "they were outside playing," includes some unnecessary editorializing when all they know is they've left the house. Don't forget, these kids aren't even allowed to play outside unsupervised in a fenced backyard (lol—yeah.)
As far as she knows, maybe someone knocked lightly and beckoned them out the door. Maybe they went to try and catch the bus. Maybe they went to grandma's. To say, "they were outside playing," is storytelling.

Bolding mine.
I wondered about that.
From what's been reported, it sounds like DM's mom was home the day the children's mom, MLM, left.
Was grandma home at the time they vanished, or possibly gone to the store or wherever ?
Imo.

Also , WELCOME TO WEBSLEUTHS !

 

[LivvyL]

The RCMP are famous for keeping a tight lip. We won’t hear anything about the investigation unless they need the public’s help. Sucks for us but it’s really in the best interest of the investigation.

 

[MistyWaters]

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The system is geared toward the best interests of the child, the parents rights are secondary, if it can be said they have any. We don’t know if there was already a file with CPS so it’s impossible to guess what is the nature of CPS intervention at the present time.

 

[tlcya]

Global News reached out to the RCMP on Monday, 10 days since the children went missing, for an update.

“I know everyone’s affected by it, (and) investigators continue their hard work,” he said. “Right now I can’t provide any additional details as I don’t want to jeopardize the investigation, but as soon as we have an update we will provide information to the public.”
Case of 2 missing N.S. children enters 10th day as police remain tight lipped | Globalnews.ca

in the article, which may have already been posted and missed by me, DM says that RCMP have been through the property and structures with dogs. He doesn't specify when that happened but I am suspecting it would have been recently and those dogs cadaver dogs. Because we already know scent tracking dogs were used in the first day(s)

 

[LivvyL]

For consideration FWIW:

Cannabis poisonings in children - Canada.ca

Learn to recognize the signs of cannabis poisoning and what to do about it. Taking action quickly can help prevent serious harm.

www.canada.ca

Has any child ever died from this? I think we can rule out cannabis.

 

[Fantastic]

Apologies if someone has made this point. I need to share this somewhere and this forum seems it might be the best place. While there are lots of issues with the mom/stepdad interviews in this case, it is this line by the mother that truly gives it away for me:
"... they happened to just get out that sliding door and we can't hear it when it opens and they were outside playing but we weren't aware of it at the time and the next thing ..."

The problem here is, this statement reads like that of an omniscient narrator. She didn't know it at the time, and there's no proof of it now (such as cam footage,) so why the revelation?
In my opinion, to state this as a later-realized fact is a clear indicator that this is a story that has been concocted. No one would say this when retelling their actual experience because they never became aware of this, at any time. It's an assumption. From her alleged perspective, the kids could have been taken from the living room. There is ZERO supporting evidence that they were "outside playing."

Thanks for your post @thispersonj. Excellent observation, analysis and deduction. Your conclusion seems reasonable.

 

[Andromeda]

You might need to look by there specific address.

I know I'm in USA and it's not the same, but even though there are many houses in a county, some roads aren't covered by municipal garbage and have to arrange their own. I think it depends on how far out you are from the village center.

If it's the same in their area their road might need private garbage.

Moo

I’m Canadian. It depends whether the address is on a private or municipal road. I’ve had to contend with private and either hauled my garbage to the dump or I hauled it to my home in the city for garbage day. My observation has been via my country kin and friends, even if on a municipally managed road, use their wood burning stoves to burn paper and they compost. If municipally owned road, they have to recycle. Garbage is “minimal”. jmo/moo

 

[tlcya]

Apologies if someone has made this point. I need to share this somewhere and this forum seems it might be the best place. While there are lots of issues with the mom/stepdad interviews in this case, it is this line by the mother that truly gives it away for me:
"... they happened to just get out that sliding door and we can't hear it when it opens and they were outside playing but we weren't aware of it at the time and the next thing ..."

The problem here is, this statement reads like that of an omniscient narrator. She didn't know it at the time, and there's no proof of it now (such as cam footage,) so why the revelation?
In my opinion, to state this as a later-realized fact is a clear indicator that this is a story that has been concocted. No one would say this when retelling their actual experience because they never became aware of this, at any time. It's an assumption. From her alleged perspective, the kids could have been taken from the living room. There is ZERO supporting evidence that they were "outside playing."

I also found it unusual that both she and DM made sure to tell the press about how that door is silent, cannot be heard when it is opened. It helps support the "they were outside but we weren't aware of it at the time." JMO

 

[Chimera]

Global News reached out to the RCMP on Monday, 10 days since the children went missing, for an update.

“I know everyone’s affected by it, (and) investigators continue their hard work,” he said. “Right now I can’t provide any additional details as I don’t want to jeopardize the investigation, but as soon as we have an update we will provide information to the public.”
Case of 2 missing N.S. children enters 10th day as police remain tight lipped | Globalnews.ca

in the article, which may have already been posted and missed by me, DM says that RCMP have been through the property and structures with dogs. He doesn't specify when that happened but I am suspecting it would have been recently and those dogs cadaver dogs. Because we already know scent tracking dogs were used in the first day(s)

Bbm.
Thanks for the link.
Wasn't aware scent dogs were used on the first day.
Good news !
I'm wondering how far from the house/yard the children's trail led ?
If it led just around the yard--front and back-- and only to the driveway where the kids boarded the school bus, then it gets problematic.
Omo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Has any child ever died from this? I think we can rule out cannabis.

Cannabis poisonings in children - Canada.ca

Learn to recognize the signs of cannabis poisoning and what to do about it. Taking action quickly can help prevent serious harm.

www.canada.ca

Serious cases of cannabis poisoning can be life-threatening, sometimes resulting in:

• coma
• being put on a ventilator
• death, in rare cases

 

[Snoop Sister]

Apologies if someone has made this point. I need to share this somewhere and this forum seems it might be the best place. While there are lots of issues with the mom/stepdad interviews in this case, it is this line by the mother that truly gives it away for me:
"... they happened to just get out that sliding door and we can't hear it when it opens and they were outside playing but we weren't aware of it at the time and the next thing ..."

The problem here is, this statement reads like that of an omniscient narrator. She didn't know it at the time, and there's no proof of it now (such as cam footage,) so why the revelation?
In my opinion, to state this as a later-realized fact is a clear indicator that this is a story that has been concocted. No one would say this when retelling their actual experience because they never became aware of this, at any time. It's an assumption. From her alleged perspective, the kids could have been taken from the living room. There is ZERO supporting evidence that they were "outside playing."

The mom may only have learned later that the kids were outside playing because perhaps the stepfather’s mother or brother might have seen them and told her such. We don’t know…

 

[tlcya]

The mom may only have learned later that the kids were outside playing because perhaps the stepfather’s mother or brother might have seen them and told her such. We don’t know…

You are right, Neither DM's mother or brother have spoken publicly about it. but if they had seen the children that morning I am pretty sure RCMP, or MBM or DM would have made mention of it in their (in the case of DM) MANY public statements about events of that morning. JMO and I will be happy to be wrong.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

We recognize that members are having difficulty determining what is or is not victim friendly in this particular case.

Members are allowed to theorize based on what we know. Part of what we know is that there seem to be unusual circumstances where mom and step-dad are now separate and apart and we aren't getting a clear picture of what is going on.

This is a bit different than other cases where there don't appear to be these types of odd issues.

Based on this unusual situation, we are allowing members to post their theories on what they think is going on, but please limit your wording so that you are NOT making direct accusations. IOW, it's fine to say things like "well, I find such and such really, really odd" or "I wonder why she/he said such and such" but avoid making strong statements, saying things like "oh, no doubt he/she is hiding something" or "it's pretty clear he/she did such and such" etc etc.

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