CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[MistyWaters]

To clarify, is your theory that the band is withholding information about the children's whereabouts from Canadian law enforcement? If that was the case, I can't imagine why they wouldn't simply notify the police that they have the children so the search could be called off.

I don’t know either, my imagination is trying to figure out why “charter implications and things like that” is even mentioned unless the First Nations Band believes the onus is on them to protect their children (who are members) from negligent parenting if there’s a history with CPS and any possibility of CPS intervention. It might be the case they haven’t informed anyone because they believe it’s nobody’s business other than their own?

My understanding is many of the legal proceedings are to further their efforts to legally become a self-governing, autonomous nation which is distinct from the colonized Canadian government. JMO

 

[Dpdan]

We don't know what CPS have said, if anything, and they aren't going to make a statement. It's basically hearsay that they didn't allow DM to see his little one. For all we know, the mother could be withholding contact and he approached CPS to ask for assistance and they said, "Sorry can't help, you need a lawyer." and DM misunderstood or misinterpreted that. Easily done if you've never had to deal with that sort of situation before.

 

[Andromeda]

“Charter implications and things like that” immediately reminds me of recent legal proceedings involving Indigenous rights and the Canadian Charter. What specifically that’s referring to,r

THE CONSTITUTION ACTS 1867 to 1982

1 The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.

[…]

Legal Rights​

Marginal note: Life, liberty and security of person

7 Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

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Criminal Code:
Criminal Code
"Duty of persons to provide necessaries

• 215 (1) Every one is under a legal duty
  
  • (a) as a parent, foster parent, guardian or head of a family, to provide necessaries of life for a child under the age of sixteen years;"

 

[AIGT]

For short - They can’t continue to do some things under the guise of a SAR when actually gathering evidence of criminality

I’m not following.

At a very simple level the police while conducting a SAR can go look around the property, in buildings etc. If they uncover evidence that it is more than children that walked away they can’t pretend they are still doing a SAR to get access to areas, information etc if they are actually looking for evidence of a crime. They need to take charter rights into consideration - unlawful search, rights to counsel etc

 

[Chimera]

I'm not sure there were four adults living there. Back in post #189, the OP gave some quotes from an article in the Globe And Mail that was unlocked then but is now behind a paywall. I hope it's still okay to quote a snip that highlights the reporter's grammar. The reporter wrote about the stepdad's brother and mother using the word "and," then continued "who also LIVES on the property...." If they both lived there, we'd see "who also LIVE" on the property. (assuming the reporter proofread carefully)



Similar to: In my apartment building, we were talking with Cindy and Tom, who also lives there. My example mimics the reporter, and it communicates that we were talking with both of those people, but only Tom lives there.



So I'm thinking only step-grandma lives there. And of course, we don't know that she was home at the time of the disappearance.

Good catch, and yes you're grammatically correct there.

Regarding the reporters' article :
I'm not going to be too positive that the reporters are proofreading or editing their comments so I'm unsure what to think about that right now.
Possibly the brother lives there, on and off ?
Imo.

 

[Snoop Sister]

CAS knows better to just “take” any Indigenous child.

 

[FansBlowing]

New article just dropped: Community struggling with unknown as search for missing children continues: Pictou County warden


Nothing new.

 

[tlcya]

Good catch, and yes you're grammatically correct there.

Regarding the reporters' article :
I'm not going to be too positive that the reporters are proofreading or editing their comments so I'm unsure what to think about that right now.
Possibly the brother lives there, on and off ?
Imo.

Agree, the only person we know lived there aside from DM, MDM and the children is DM's mother. We all questioned how stilted the working was when the article came out. If only step grandmother resides on teh property there were better ways to write that.

 

[iamafiusny]

It’s weird to push that theory and then “I have no idea why anyone would want to take them” Unfortunately I think everyone could think of several reasons why someone would take a kid.

Martell’s quote “they’re easy to take” is just pushing the theory way too much in my opinion. They have several examples of this.

Also this quote speaking for police again, despite them stating they have no evidence of abduction.

[The RCMP were] taking statements from the very start. They just want to rule everything out before they switch … concerns from being, you know, search and rescue to abduction," he said in a CBC News interview May 6.

Redirect Notice

 

[Sillybilly]

Thanks for your patience everyone. Thread is open again.

Sillybilly
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[AIGT]

Also this quote speaking for police again, despite them stating they have no evidence of abduction.

[The RCMP were] taking statements from the very start. They just want to rule everything out before they switch … concerns from being, you know, search and rescue to abduction," he said in a CBC News interview May 6.

Redirect Notice

I said it before but everything he says comes with an unprompted follow up reason that he seems to think downplays them suspecting him.

I could see a scenario where he is in handcuffs and says they just want to make sure they’re cuffs are working for when they catch the abductor - In a hypothetical world that he is arrested for something

 

[musicaljoke]

I’m Canadian. It depends whether the address is on a private or municipal road. I’ve had to contend with private and either hauled my garbage to the dump or I hauled it to my home in the city for garbage day. My observation has been via my country kin and friends, even if on a municipally managed road, use their wood burning stoves to burn paper and they compost. If municipally owned road, they have to recycle. Garbage is “minimal”. jmo/moo

Yes, and clear bags have to be used for garbage, and blue boxes for recycling. If the pick up workers see anything that isn't garbage in the clear bag, they leave the bag at the gate.

 

[AIGT]

In my opinion

If you take the parents at their word and they are truthful in describing what they heard/saw/did that morning then they were at minimum neglectful that morning.


Personally I don’t take them at their word for many reasons.

 

[MrsWatson]

DM does not seem like the most articulate guy; I think it's entirely possible he was making a word salad of what happened or was said at CPS, imo.

 

[musicaljoke]

You're right: If that was true, then the wording wouldn't be sus at all.

Heck, maybe they viewed their security camera footage after the fact.
Heck, maybe mom looked out the window and saw them playing.
But you'd think such an enormous detail would make its way into the releases, press conferences, interviews ... something. So, that's why I brought up: No one has publicly stated that anyone witnessed them playing outside, yet mom insists this is something they later realized.

Perhaps toys were in different places from where they were the previous evening suggesting that the kids must have been playing in the back yard before disappearing.

 

[iamafiusny]

In my opinion

If you take the parents at their word and they are truthful in describing what they heard/saw/did that morning then they were at minimum neglectful that morning.


Personally I don’t take them at their word for many reasons.

I think it's near impossible for them not to have seen Jack in person before a 10am reported disappearance.

Even if they were being neglectful and not providing breakfast, checking his pull-up, etc. These kids were used to being up early and off to school. No way does a 4 year-old go an entire morning without wanting to find a parent and just decide to go play outside in boots only.


Moo moo

 

[AcerPacer]

I said it before but everything he says comes with an unprompted follow up reason that he seems to think downplays them suspecting him.

I could see a scenario where he is in handcuffs and says they just want to make sure they’re cuffs are working for when they catch the abductor - In a hypothetical world that he is arrested for something

We have previously touched upon whether or not DM could be on the autism spectrum (ASD). There has been nothing said confirming nor denying this, however, the way he speaks could be "Compensatory Strategies"
Autistic people may develop compensatory strategies to manage social interactions and navigate communication. These strategies can include using past experiences, logic, or other coping mechanisms to regulate social behavior.

 

[Snoop Sister]

DM does not seem like the most articulate guy; I think it's entirely possible he was making a word salad of what happened or was said at CPS, imo.

A very good possibility and/or he did not fully comprehend the info he was given. Imo

 

[AIGT]

I think it's near impossible for them not to have seen Jack in person before a 10am reported disappearance.

Even if they were being neglectful and not providing breakfast, checking his pull-up, etc. These kids were used to being up early and off to school. No way does a 4 year-old go an entire morning without wanting to find a parent and just decide to go play outside in boots only.


Moo moo

Exactly and in my opinion that story (which is neglectful imo) is what they felt puts them in the BEST light (if not true). So what could’ve happened that’s worse than just general neglect? So many things.

Theorizing

 

[AIGT]

We have previously touched upon whether or not DM could be on the autism spectrum (ASD). There has been nothing said confirming nor denying this, however, the way he speaks could be "Compensatory Strategies"
Autistic people may develop compensatory strategies to manage social interactions and navigate communication. These strategies can include using past experiences, logic, or other coping mechanisms to regulate social behavior.

It’s certainly possible. I am only pointing out what he does.

In that same light he could be a stepdad who killed two kids and is wanting the public to think he didn’t do it.

Both are possible.