CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

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May 2, 2025
At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing. RCMP issue a vulnerable missing persons alert in Pictou County,
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This timeline includes a video of the Pictou county broadcast of May 2nd which includes
"MAKE SURE MOM STAYS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE THERE IN CASE THEY TRY TO SNEAK OUT AND GET BACK INTO THE HOUSE."

Then on May 3: "Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this."

IMO and I am sure this has been discussed, but even though I read there were accusations by the family blaming the step dad- why oh why would she leave if she was directed to STAY AT THE HOUSE??

Does not make sense at all.
 
Apologies, I should have said 'no evidence' rather than 'ruled out', as Sarahlou stated they have stated there is no evidence of abduction.

The fact remains no information has been released by the police regarding an abduction. If they truly thought it was an option surely they would be sending out amber alerts.
Sometimes what isn't said is more important than what is. RCMP did state there is no evidence of abduction. What they haven't said (afaik) is 'there is no evidence of foul play.'

Food for thought ?
 

May 2, 2025
At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing. RCMP issue a vulnerable missing persons alert in Pictou County,
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This timeline includes a video of the Pictou county broadcast of May 2nd which includes
"MAKE SURE MOM STAYS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE THERE IN CASE THEY TRY TO SNEAK OUT AND GET BACK INTO THE HOUSE."

Then on May 3: "Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this."

IMO and I am sure this has been discussed, but even though I read there were accusations by the family blaming the step dad- why oh why would she leave if she was directed to STAY AT THE HOUSE??

Does not make sense at all.
GREAT point!❤️
 

May 2, 2025
At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing. RCMP issue a vulnerable missing persons alert in Pictou County,
------
This timeline includes a video of the Pictou county broadcast of May 2nd which includes
"MAKE SURE MOM STAYS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE THERE IN CASE THEY TRY TO SNEAK OUT AND GET BACK INTO THE HOUSE."

Then on May 3: "Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this."

IMO and I am sure this has been discussed, but even though I read there were accusations by the family blaming the step dad- why oh why would she leave if she was directed to STAY AT THE HOUSE??

Does not make sense at all.
I have wondered if she was later directed to leave the house and cut contact with DM because after that is when it gets reported she asked police to retrieve stuffed animals for her and not pick things up herself.

Moo
 

May 2, 2025
At approximately 10 a.m., Ms. Brooks-Murray calls 911 to report Lilly and Jack missing. RCMP issue a vulnerable missing persons alert in Pictou County,
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This timeline includes a video of the Pictou county broadcast of May 2nd which includes
"MAKE SURE MOM STAYS CLOSE TO THE HOUSE THERE IN CASE THEY TRY TO SNEAK OUT AND GET BACK INTO THE HOUSE."

Then on May 3: "Mr. Martell said Ms. Brooks-Murray leaves midway through the update to sit in the back of an ambulance. She departs with her mother and Mr. Martell said he hasn’t seen her since. She cuts off contact with him after this."

IMO and I am sure this has been discussed, but even though I read there were accusations by the family blaming the step dad- why oh why would she leave if she was directed to STAY AT THE HOUSE??

Does not make sense at all.

This detail is a difficult one for sure. First of all, is the part about cutting him off true? If it's true, I wonder if she blames him for not watching the kids, or leaving the sliding door open or something else that contributed to their disappearance. It's possible that she just needed a peaceful place to live and care for the baby and she didn't want anyone bothering her. Searchers were working around the clock at their home, and it might have been too disruptive for her.

The press was there too, and they can be ruthless.

If Lilly was home from school because she was sick, then there is a good chance that the baby was coming down with the same thing. It might explain the late wake up time on the morning that the little ones disappeared, and the need to let the baby sleep.
 
Sometimes what isn't said is more important than what is. RCMP did state there is no evidence of abduction. What they haven't said (afaik) is 'there is no evidence of foul play.'

Food for thought ?
Yes and I know RCMP is notoriously tight lipped, but if they genuinely thought the kids wandered off it seems they might want the publics help at least a little and they aren't saying anything at all.

For example if they were seen on a neighbors camera petting a cat at 1030 am heading in a certain direction.

Or if there was evidence they possible sat and played in a particular area.

They might want public eyes on those areas or public trying to remember what they were doing at 1030 and if they recall seeing or hearing anything.

Jmo
 
This detail is a difficult one for sure. First of all, is the part about cutting him off true? If it's true, I wonder if she blames him for not watching the kids, or leaving the sliding door open or something else that contributed to their disappearance. It's possible that she just needed a peaceful place to live and care for the baby and she didn't want anyone bothering her. Searchers were working around the clock at their home, and it might have been too disruptive for her.

The press was there too, and they can be ruthless.

If Lilly was home from school because she was sick, then there is a good chance that the baby was coming down with the same thing. It might explain the late wake up time on the morning that the little ones disappeared, and the need to let the baby sleep.
Maybe she was freaking out because just before the briefing she heard major crimes was getting involved. We do know for a fact that is the timeline based on the article above.

It could also be the serval reasons you mentioned.

The press has been far from ruthless though. They have showed little interest and left that community to theorize and point fingers.
 
We have previously touched upon whether or not DM could be on the autism spectrum (ASD). There has been nothing said confirming nor denying this, however, the way he speaks could be "Compensatory Strategies"
Autistic people may develop compensatory strategies to manage social interactions and navigate communication. These strategies can include using past experiences, logic, or other coping mechanisms to regulate social behavior.
Except it's not just follow up statements the add-ons to his sentences.

He's made flat out statements that the kids will go with anyone, that he thinks it's an abduction, that police are just ruling out search and rescue before moving onto abduction search, that he's urging the airports to be checked, etc.

There's definitely a narrative being pushed. Maybe because he genuinely believes they were abducted. Or maybe not.


Jmo moo
 
Sometimes what isn't said is more important than what is. RCMP did state there is no evidence of abduction. What they haven't said (afaik) is 'there is no evidence of foul play.'

Food for thought ?

This is what they did say last ….no quote for what they didn’t say.

Six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan are believed to have wandered into the woods near their rural home in Lansdowne Station.

The RCMP says while the search has been scaled back, investigation efforts are still underway. However, no new updates have been released.
 
This is what they did say last ….no quote for what they didn’t say.

Six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan are believed to have wandered into the woods near their rural home in Lansdowne Station.

The RCMP says while the search has been scaled back, investigation efforts are still underway. However, no new updates have been released.
The case is being treated as suspicious per protocol as all missing persons cases "are treated as suspicious until our investigation leads us to determine otherwise" Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon said during a press conference, according to the CBC.

Over a week and they haven't found anything to determine the case is not suspicious. Moo.

 
Maybe she was freaking out because just before the briefing she heard major crimes was getting involved. We do know for a fact that is the timeline based on the article above.

It could also be the serval reasons you mentioned.

The press has been far from ruthless though. They have showed little interest and left that community to theorize and point fingers.
I'm not super familiar with Canadian missing cases. Is it normal for Major Crimes Unit to be brought in?
 
The case is being treated as suspicious per protocol as all missing persons cases "are treated as suspicious until our investigation leads us to determine otherwise" Staff Sergeant Curtis MacKinnon said during a press conference, according to the CBC.

Over a week and they haven't found anything to determine the case is not suspicious. Moo.

Also interested in this article MBM’s mother is quoted saying we’re just hoping and praying for the best.
This would be several days after Martell claims her family was saying he did “it”.

It unfortunate we haven’t heard anything from his mother besides in reference to that argument.

Very odd in my opinion that Martell and MBM told their stories in such detail or attempted detail and never once mentioned his mother. If she wasn’t home I think they would’ve said that. It helps their story. If she was home then in my opinion they didn’t mention her for a reason.
 
Yes and I know RCMP is notoriously tight lipped, but if they genuinely thought the kids wandered off it seems they might want the publics help at least a little and they aren't saying anything at all.

For example if they were seen on a neighbors camera petting a cat at 1030 am heading in a certain direction.

Or if there was evidence they possible sat and played in a particular area.

They might want public eyes on those areas or public trying to remember what they were doing at 1030 and if they recall seeing or hearing anything.

Jmo

Maybe someone from NS can chime in but I’d be very shocked if LE needs to publicly ask for people in the area to come forward if they noticed anything. As is the small town or rural way, there’s an admirable network of communication that flourishes just as much today as it did years go before the internet existed. Part of the reason is because everybody if either related or knows each other, unlike in cities where we’re often strangers living next door.
 
Maybe someone from NS can chime in but I’d be very shocked if LE needs to publicly ask for people in the area to come forward if they noticed anything. As is the small town or rural way, there’s an admirable network of communication that flourishes just as much today as it did years go before the internet existed. Part of the reason is because everybody if either related or knows each other, unlike in cities where we’re often strangers living next door.

If they believed public may have info they don’t then they would make that please. RCMP has taken heat for being too tightlipped in situations to the detriment of public safety. They’re going to avoid that now.

That being said they have put out the general “if you know something call this number”
 
Maybe someone from NS can chime in but I’d be very shocked if LE needs to publicly ask for people in the area to come forward if they noticed anything. As is the small town or rural way, there’s an admirable network of communication that flourishes just as much today as it did years go before the internet existed. Part of the reason is because everybody if either related or knows each other, unlike in cities where we’re often strangers living next door.
I've no doubt people are coming forward with any helpful information, but it doesn't mean they wouldn't make a formal announcement.


Moo
 
Further on that topic, maybe a foolish notion but I’m going to admit I’ve wondered if the two missing children were taken and are on the reserve for their protection, especially if there’s been recent CPS involvement deeming them at risk of intervention. It doesn’t take much these days, for example simply a report from a school about a child being hungry or not being clothed properly. Purely my speculation…while hoping for a best case scenario.

We have a responsibility to put them first. They are even more important than the Elders. The Elders are important because they teach the children, but the children are the most important.”

Indigenous people ‘know the best for their children’
Great article, it explains a lot. It talks aboutthe resdential school system and all the harm done. if people take time to learn about it, they will understand the atrocities done.
There is an overrepresentation of indigenous youth in the child welfare system, ( as well as prisons) like by a long shot.
People will argue that the same thing is still happening, families are still getting their children taken away ( those stats are a possible indicator of that) which also speaks to the why? ( intergenerational trauma) . whats worse was they were losng their sense of culture by being put in non-indigenous placements
Not to sound like a broken record, but when the TRC came in, they did a HUGE canada wide conference in several cities, allowing residential school survivors to speak about their experiences. I went to one it was very powerful.
From those conference's the TRC came up with reccomendations and calls to action, IE, educating young generations, and learning about the res school became part of the school curriculum, and many other things like how reserves/ bands have the right to govern their own people ( child Welfare) Developed a criteria for involvement in child welfare.
It has also been dangerous ( at times ) for social workers to go on to reserves. (bad outcomes) Theyre not taking it anymore and rightly so.

There is a history that Canada has to be accountable for. We have some harm to repair. A promise of good intention and not the intentions of the past, is in part why they do those land acknowledgments

There is a lot to know, anyone interested can read, I dont want to push anything on anyone.
It's a big deal around here. Many people take it seriously
The pope even came to Maskwacis last summer to make a formal apology,

 
Major Crimes can be involved with anything.

Virginia Giuffre recently committed suicide in Western Australia, but Major Crimes were called in. Likely to confirm there were no signs of foul play.

I would say that two young children disappearing is important enough to warrant such a thing. Whether foul play is involved or not.

imo


Emergency first aid was rendered, but the woman was declared dead at the scene. According to authorities, "early indications" show that "the death is not suspicious." Major Crime detectives are currently investigating.

 
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