CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[ttjo]

this may have been posted but if so I missed it. More from Daniel.

“I’m fighting to stay awake at this point. I’m just so drained,” he said. “But the fight goes on. Fight will always go on.”
[snip]
“I talked to the last of RCMP in the area that I’ve seen. They were at Lansdowne Lake and they told me they scoured the lake with divers and [used] sonar [technology] in the lake and there’s no evidence at all. I don’t know what to think. If they were in this area, they would have found them. My family is still searching, and we’re never going to give hope. We’re going to continue to look, and probably continue to look for the rest of my life,” he said.

[snip - on the social media comments]
“I just try not to read it. It’s just opinions of people that don’t know absolutely anything. They don’t know what’s going on,” he said. “Driving by slowly, some people stop. Some people snap pictures. People just almost have no respect.”
[snip]

“I don’t know [what to think] at this point,” he said. “It’s hard to stay positive because I’m just not hearing anything positive.

“I’m working closely with the RCMP and major crime units. Trying to get everything we can, all the information. Those guys have been really good to work with.”
Search for missing N.S. kids reaches one-week mark

In the moms interview SHE said SHE heard the kids playing, and then after 20 min noticed the quiet . She asked him do you hear the kids and he said no. Did he also say he heard the kids playing in the next room or was it just her?
I know he said Lilly came in the room a few times, but what time was that? how close was it to when they disappeared?

 

[Deleted member 339775]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

 

[iamshadow21]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

It speaks of a finality of their absence, a certainty that they won't be found, which is unusual at this stage of a missing child investigation.

MOO

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It speaks of a finality of their absence, a certainty that they won't be found, which is unusual at this stage of a missing child investigation.

MOO

What you said.

 

[moonrise]

Just brainstorming ... With all that clutter in the yard, I wonder if the children climbed into some kind of container-like item, like maybe an old refrigerator, and then couldn't get out? <modsnip>

I hope they are found soon.

 

[Little Jack]

The bit where he says ‘… probably continue to look for the rest of my life…’ That stuck out and it bothers me for some reason

I'm not sure it bothers me considering the police have already said they dont think the children are alive? In that context does it seem that strange of a remark ?

 

[sunspun]

But that isn't the only door in the house.

True, but I thought they meant it was the only door they could have gone out of that they wouldn't hear. They would've known if they'd used the front door because it makes noise, unlike their slider. Imo

 

[sunspun]

And closed it behind them? I don't recognise that as little kid behaviour.

Well, they said they weren't in the house, so they must have gone out some door or another, so what's the alternative?

 

[tlcya]

Usually, the next thing is once you know the age group is we can look at some basic statistics like how far do four- to six-year-olds typically go when they get lost … Half of four- to six-year-olds are going to be found within … a half a kilometre away.

So 75 per cent [of children] are 1.2 kilometres away.… If you want to go far enough to find 95 per cent then there's a dramatic jump because you're now starting to get into more outliers and that number is 6.6 kilometres away, which dramatically increases your search area.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-person-expert-lansdowne-station-search-1.7531338

 

[Peanut0927]

True, but I thought they meant it was the only door they could have gone out of that they wouldn't hear. They would've known if they'd used the front door because it makes noise, unlike their slider. Imo

It’s possible that’s the only option they could’ve gone out is the sliding door if the other doors were still locked from the inside like in the case of needing a key to lock from the outside or before leaving which it’s doubtful the kids would do if they aren’t even known to close the sliding door behind them.

 

[appleatcha]

Well, they said they weren't in the house, so they must have gone out some door or another, so what's the alternative?

I don't mean to speak for the person you're replying to, but IMO, the only alternative that assumes the stepdad is being truthful is that an adult (a 3rd party, for example) closed it behind them.

Personally, I don't currently have an opinion on whether the children remembered to close the door while leaving, someone else closed it, or they were never there to open/close it at all.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I'm not sure it bothers me considering the police have already said they dont think the children are alive? In that context does it seem that strange of a remark ?

It didn't seem like a strange remark to me at all, especially because of what LE has already made pretty clear. More than anything, it sounds like a grief stricken parent.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I don't mean to speak for the person you're replying to, but IMO, the only alternative that assumes the stepdad is being truthful is that an adult (a 3rd party, for example) closed it behind them.

Personally, I don't currently have an opinion on whether the children remembered to close the door while leaving, someone else closed it, or they were never there to open/close it at all.

Regarding the bolded above, I couldn't disagree more.

I assume the step-dad is being truthful in both instances:

1. that the kids were constantly being reminded to close the door
2. the day they went missing, they went through that door and they remembered to close it

The statement that the kids were always being reminded to close the door doesn't automatically mean they never closed it.

 

[FansBlowing]

Since Maleyha was told to leave by Daniel's mother, then I think it is safe to say that the mother owns all of the property. Pretty nice of grandma to move out of her house and into an RV so that her son and family could have the bigger dwelling.

 

[ttjo]

I found this statemnt about what the step dad heard the morning they disappeared.

Martell said that while he and their mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, were in the bedroom with their one-year-old daughter, Lily came in and out several times, and Jack could be heard in the kitchen.

Would you take that to mean he heard them himself or was told Jack could be heard in the kitchen.? If you ask how did he know that was jack, maybe it's because he could hear him when lily was coming in and out of the room.
My as well also point out the things that make me think he is not suspicious. He could have just said we heard them playing, but he added that detail. I'm no behavior panel but Im feeling like we have to be careful of confirmation bias.

source:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613

 

[Scrutineer]

I've been following this as a Canadian, and from everything I've read it sounds like an accident plain and simple. I don't know how many of you have been to Truro, Nova Scotia, but I have family property in Cape Breton and we always drive through this community (and stopped there once overnight).

It's small-town Nova Scotia, which is to say it is very rural. Their house opens directly into wilderness. It makes total sense that these kids just wandered off while their parents were distracted. I grew up on a similar property in rural Ontario with my younger brother, and we were always roaming around the woods.

The kids have been missing a while, in the woods during spring when it can get incredibly cold at night here in Canada. The wilderness is not a safe place here, and that might be contributing to any finality from parents, relatives, or the police.

 

[tlcya]

I am all over the place with this one. One minute I think Stepdad is just a very worried father figure who is worried sick about his stepkids. The next I feel he is overexplaining and presenting himself as the one who cares about finding the children most, above all others.

Mom leaving the area temporarily can easily be explained as either LE telling her to do so because of the argument that is said to have taken place Saturday or if the land is owned by Daniel's mother she says who stays or goes. But to then block your partner and not speak to him again, when he occupies the property from which your children went missing? I'm having a harder time with that.

The fact that he is so very vocal and she is so very silent troubles me. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but I am having a hard time with that.

Also if as Daniel states her family thinks "I did it" I wonder why. Maleyah and Daniel both indicate they were together, in the room, saw/heard Lily and heard Jack. Until they didn't. Does MBM's family disbelieve her as well as DM since they both pretty much tell the same story? If they disbelieve it from him does that mean they also disbelieve her?

ETA as to BBM DID WHAT?

 

[ttjo]

I am all over the place with this one. One minute I think Stepdad is just a very worried father figure who is worried sick about his stepkids. The next I feel he is overexplaining and presenting himself as the one who cares about finding the children most, above all others.

Mom leaving the area temporarily can easily be explained as either LE telling her to do so because of the argument that is said to have taken place Saturday. Also, if the land is owned by Daniel's mother she says who stays or goes. But to then block your partner and not speak to him again, when he occupies the property from which your children went missing? I'm having a harder time with that.

The fact that he is so very vocal and she is so very silent troubles me. There may be a perfectly reasonable explanation but I am having a hard time with that.

Also if as Daniel states her family thinks "I did it" I wonder why. Maleyah and Daniels both indicate they were together, in the room, saw/heard Lily and heard Jack. Until they didn't. Does MBM's family disbelieve her as well as DM since they both pretty much tell the same story? If they disbelieve it from him does they also disbelieve her?

100% agree with all you said, I am all over the place too, and I don't feel strongly one way or the other. I just thought to be fair, I'd also mention some things that make me suspect him less. It's a bit of a rollercoaster.
I say confirmation bias because I got hung up on the DD driver in the Idaho 4 case, (not even going there), so I try to watch myself. It's so easy to fall into, and you don't even realize it.

 

[Scrutineer]

I genuinely think it is just an accident. I think people are dwelling on the argument too much (what young couple hasn't argued before?) and I can't imagine the guilt of the parents that this happened while they were arguing.

There is also a discussion on CBC with a criminal expert who goes over some of the data, and he says in the database, only 0.3% of wilderness searches like this one end up being criminal in nature (vs. 4% of urban searches).

Just considering the area, and the young age of the missing children, it just makes sense to me they got lost and the parents are now grieving that. Statistically, it also seems unlikely that they are responsible.

Here is the Q&A with the expert if you guys are interested, it goes into much greater depth:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-person-expert-lansdowne-station-search-1.7531338

 

[appleatcha]

Regarding the bolded above, I couldn't disagree more.

I assume the step-dad is being truthful in both instances:

1. that the kids were constantly being reminded to close the door
2. the day they went missing, they went through that door and they remembered to close it

The statement that the kids were always being reminded to close the door doesn't automatically mean they never closed it.

What exactly do you disagree with? If the kids didn't close the door, the only alternative that ends up with it being closed is that someone else must have closed it. As I said, I don't have an opinion about whether they remembered to close it that day or if someone else closed it, so I'm not sure what I wrote in my post that you're disagreeing with.