CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #2

[Sarahlou]

Did I miss where an abduction was ruled out by police?

I think the police said there was no evidence of abduction.

Personally I think they probably have a good idea of what happened but obviously it's just a matter of proving it.

 

[MistyWaters]

I think the police said there was no evidence of abduction.

Personally I think they probably have a good idea of what happened but obviously it's just a matter of proving it.

Yes MBM wanted an Amber Alert and the response by police was there was no evidence of an abduction, But as the search of the area didn’t find the children, during the PC police stated the missing person investigation will be looking at “every aspect” of this file.

 

[AIGT]

Yes MBM wanted an Amber Alert and the response by police was there was no evidence of an abduction, But as the search of the area didn’t find the children, during the PC police stated the missing person investigation will be looking at “every aspect” of this file.

In my opinion RCMP have downplayed any chance of abduction multiple times and for them(specifically RCMP in Eastern Canada) to do that publicly and risk te backlash if wrong - I put a lot of weight on it. If they have any inkling of an abduction then they must be super confident that its not a situation where the public being on the lookout would help more than harm and for them to think that then it would not be true to say no evidence of abduction - which again I don’t think RCMP is willing to to take the backlash of that. I think they had a good idea pretty quickly about where this is going.

 

[Warden23]

Did I miss where it was stated this was a school only backpack?

You did not. It's never stated to be so.

 

[Chimera]

In my opinion RCMP have downplayed any chance of abduction multiple times and for them(specifically RCMP in Eastern Canada) to do that publicly and risk te backlash if wrong - I put a lot of weight on it. If they have any inkling of an abduction then they must be super confident that its not a situation where the public being on the lookout would help more than harm and for them to think that then it would not be true to say no evidence of abduction - which again I don’t think RCMP is willing to to take the backlash of that. I think they had a good idea pretty quickly about where this is going.

Emphasis mine.
Agreed.
Esp the bolded bit.
Imo.

 

[Andromeda]

Since DM presumes Lily has her backpack with her, and no one has refuted that statement and LE haven't located it (that the public is aware of), my best guess is that while it might also be used the way you describe, she also uses it for her own personal little treasure holder, the way many little girls do.

I don’t disagree with you. I just Goole imaged first day of school getting on the bus incase the schools have migrated away from backpacks since my two went to school, and every single student, regardless of age, is boarding the bus with a very large backpack. Comical to look at the little ones whose backpacks are half the size of the student.

From what the stepfather shares, IMO/moo, given the stepfather’s description of its colour before versus after they went missing, the backpack was not something Lilly used while outside and playing, etc. He describes it as white after eight+ months of school. He also knows the kids’ behaviour. If he says he can’t see it (because that’s not what Lilly typically did with it?) I believe him.

“..they took their boots, that’s pink boots for Lilly and blue boots for Jack with dinosaurs on them. Lilly had her backpack with white, it was white with strawberries on it. I imagine if they’re in the woods, that it’d be probably brown. But I don’t see them carrying their backpack. I don’t see him keeping a pull-up on for that long after it got soaked from the very first day…we only found the two boot tracks outside of the house. (Where abouts?) Uh, right beside the house, about 10 feet away from the backyard…."

Step father of N.S. missing children asks public to report if seen

 

[iamafiusny]

I don’t disagree with you. I just Goole imaged first day of school getting on the bus incase the schools have migrated away from backpacks since my two went to school, and every single student, regardless of age, is boarding the bus with a very large backpack. Comical to look at the little ones whose backpacks are half the size of the student.

From what the stepfather shares, IMO/moo, given the stepfather’s description of its colour before versus after they went missing, the backpack was not something Lilly used while outside and playing, etc. He describes it as white after eight+ months of school. He also knows the kids’ behaviour. If he says he can’t see it (because that’s not what Lilly typically did with it,) I believe him.

“..they took their boots, that’s pink boots for Lilly and blue boots for Jack with dinosaurs on them. Lilly had her backpack with white, it was white with strawberries on it. I imagine if they’re in the woods, that it’d be probably brown. But I don’t see them carrying their backpack. I don’t see him keeping a pull-up on for that long after it got soaked from the very first day…we only found the two boot tracks outside of the house. (Where abouts?) Uh, right beside the house, about 10 feet away from the backyard…."

Step father of N.S. missing children asks public to report if seen

Good point - he does emphasize the brightness of it, not likely to be used for play often.

I'm guessing the backpack needed to be gone for some reason so it became part of the narrative, moo.

I've also noticed stepdad is spending most of his camera time talking about how innocent he is, how he's offered up everything, how the police know he's telling the truth. When he could be urging the public for help, reminding everyone to look for dinosaur boots and strawberry backpacks. He could be letting people know what he thinks they might do such, like he thinks they might go to this area we play at or I think Jack might get scared and hide. If he thinks they've been abducted he could be giving them messages in case they can see a TV.

He's not doing any of that.

Moo

 

[tara83]

Stepdad is in a no win situation. If he stays quiet it's because he doesn't care and has something to hide. If he talks he's accused of not saying the right things.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Seems like a good idea to bring this over from the last thread:

Hey folks, we are Victim Friendly until we can't be. I've heard that WSers don't like having to eat crow.

LE has not indicated that anyone is a POI or suspect. It is fine to question facts as they are presented, but please leave your insinuations/accusations out of this discussion.

from The Rules:

VICTIM FRIENDLY

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing known victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way, and only when such behavior is known to be relevant to the case.

The "victim friendly" rule extends to family members of victims and suspects. Sleuthing family members, friends, or others who have not been officially designated by law enforcement or in mainstream media as a Person of Interest or suspect is not allowed (i.e. Sleuthing out this type of information, and publicly posting their social media, personal information, including names, addresses, and background data -- even if it is public is not allowed and such posts will be removed, along with any posts that encourage such sleuthing).

This does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media. Members may reasonably discuss what is said in MSM by them or about them, but do not make random accusations, insinuations, suggest their involvement, trash, bash or attack them, or speculate negatively about them.

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025'

May 6, 2025

Hey folks, we are Victim Friendly until we can't be. I've heard that WSers don't like having to eat crow.

LE has not indicated that anyone is a POI or suspect. It is fine to question facts as they are presented, but please leave your insinuations/accusations out of this discussion.

from The Rules:

VICTIM FRIENDLY

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing known victim behavior, good or bad is fine, but do so in a civil and constructive way, and only when such behavior is known to be relevant to the case.

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[Lucy6226]

Did I miss where an abduction was ‘ruled out’ by police?

I think the police said there was no evidence of abduction.

Personally I think they probably have a good idea of what happened but obviously it's just a matter of proving it.

Apologies, I should have said 'no evidence' rather than 'ruled out', as Sarahlou stated they have stated there is no evidence of abduction.

The fact remains no information has been released by the police regarding an abduction. If they truly thought it was an option surely they would be sending out amber alerts.

 

[MistyWaters]

Apologies, I should have said no evidence rather than ruled out.

The fact remains no information has been released by the police regarding an abduction. If they truly thought it was an option surely they would be sending out amber alerts.

In Canada Amber Alerts are only issued if there’s recognizable information about the abductor ie description, vehicle identity.

My point was police have not said anything is ruled out.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I don’t disagree with you. I just Goole imaged first day of school getting on the bus incase the schools have migrated away from backpacks since my two went to school, and every single student, regardless of age, is boarding the bus with a very large backpack. Comical to look at the little ones whose backpacks are half the size of the student.

From what the stepfather shares, IMO/moo, given the stepfather’s description of its colour before versus after they went missing, the backpack was not something Lilly used while outside and playing, etc. He describes it as white after eight+ months of school. He also knows the kids’ behaviour. If he says he can’t see it (because that’s not what Lilly typically did with it?) I believe him.

“..they took their boots, that’s pink boots for Lilly and blue boots for Jack with dinosaurs on them. Lilly had her backpack with white, it was white with strawberries on it. I imagine if they’re in the woods, that it’d be probably brown. But I don’t see them carrying their backpack. I don’t see him keeping a pull-up on for that long after it got soaked from the very first day…we only found the two boot tracks outside of the house. (Where abouts?) Uh, right beside the house, about 10 feet away from the backyard…."

Step father of N.S. missing children asks public to report if seen

I think you make good points regarding the colour of the backpack and the possibility for school use.

My pre-school grandson has a themed backpack that lights up, yet after school it gets dumped by the door and he doesn't touch it until the next morning. Here, only pre-schoolers take backpacks whereas the kids in school have book bags.

It might be different for girls though. I can't remember that far back when my daughter was at school!

 

[Lucy6226]

In Canada Amber Alerts are only issued if there’s recognizable information about the abductor ie description, vehicle identity.

My point was police have not said anything is ruled out.

My point is if the children have been potentially abducted they could be anywhere by now. Surely their information should be spread far and wide? Regardless of whether an abductor has been identified or not.

 

[Allabouttrial]

I do think it's a bit premature to say the mum isn't talking.

Just because she's only done one interview and is not all over SM doesn't mean she isn't talking with the police.

 

[MistyWaters]

My point is if the children have been potentially abducted they could be anywhere by now. Surely their information should be spread far and wide? Regardless of whether an abductor has been identified or not.

I’m missing your point, Are you saying police should issue an Amber Alert if they haven ruled out an abduction? How would that help? That the children are missing has been reported extensively by the media.

AMBER Alert

MissingKids.ca – AMBER Alert

missingkids.ca

Criteria for issuing an AMBER Alert may vary from province to province, but basic requirements include:

• The child is under the age of 18;
• A belief that the child has been abducted;
• A belief that the child is in grave danger;
• Information is available that may help locate the child and/or the abductor (e.g., description of the child, the suspect, or the vehicle driven by the abductor); and
• That the alert be issued within a reasonable amount of time from the moment of the abduction.

 

[iamafiusny]

My point is if the children have been potentially abducted they could be anywhere by now. Surely their information should be spread far and wide? Regardless of whether an abductor has been identified or not.

I do think we would have seen a different type of search and statement if they suspected abduction.

Moo

 

[iamafiusny]

I do think it's a bit premature to say the mum isn't talking.

Just because she's only done one interview and is not all over SM doesn't mean she isn't talking with the police.

I think there is a reason she was whisked out of there so quickly with any communication with her ex going through RCMP.

jmo

 

[Lucy6226]

I’m missing your point, Are you saying police should issue an Amber Alert if they haven ruled out an abduction? How would that help? That the children are missing has been reported extensively by the media.

Because not everyone follows the news these days or visits WS to follow cases. Surely if the police think abduction is an option then they should be doing all they can to get sitings of the children.

Hence why I believe they are not following the abduction theory, they stated there was no evidence. They are looking into other theories now imo.

 

[Lucy6226]

I do think we would have seen a different type of search and statement if they suspected abduction.

Moo

Which is the point I'm trying to make, thank you

 

[tara83]

Because not everyone follows the news these days or visits WS to follow cases. Surely if the police think abduction is an option then they should be doing all they can to get sitings of the children.

Hence why I believe they are not following the abduction theory, they stated there was no evidence. They are looking into other theories now imo.

Just because they see no evidence now doesn't mean that aren't also exploring the kidnap theory.