CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #3

[Ontario Mom]

It would be very unusual for there to be a home visit to discuss behaviour,usually parents are asked into school to have a discussion.
I wonder if the children always wore their boots or whether they had other outdoor shoes.

I don't know about NS but in Ontario public school kids have outdoor shoes/boots and indoor shoes for school. Normally, the pair designated for "indoor" are worn exclusively indoors.

ETA: google says it's the same in NS.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Reading the CNN article, I'm a little confused. Glasgow's social media, linked in in your quote, does not say anything about Lily and Jack being members of the band, but that they are 'a part of' the band. In addition, the press release from Sipekne’katik First Nation does not mention the kids being members of the band. The wording is important on this one and I'm speculating that CNN didn't do their due diligence in researching band membership in Canada.

And then there's another layer, in that being a member of a band does not necessarily mean you have Indian Status (don't come for me, that's the official government term!). It's super confusing.

We don’t know the history of the family. We don’t know the Indian status of the bio dad or mom. We don’t know the Indian status of the grandmother. The children may be R1 or R2 or non status Indian. The thing to note imo, is that they are of Indigenous descent.

 

[ASipowicz]

We might not have an answer for Jack and Lilly for awhile if ever. There is an open homicide case in Illinois in which a 16 month old child (Semaj Crosby)was found deceased under a sofa in the family residence. EiGHT YEARS LATER the murder remains unsolved.

From a news article, "One of the biggest obstacles facing Will County Sheriff's investigators is the fact that Semaj's house burned to the ground within days of her body being found on April 27, 2017. Sheriff's officials said the fire was set by an arsonist, who they believe to be a male. "Because the house burned down, that really hindered our investigation," Sherriff Deputy Dan Jungles explained.

In defense of sheriff's investigators and the FBI special agents investigating Semaj as a missing persons case, Jungles said the police did not have probable cause to go inside the house on Louis Road at the time Semaj was reported missing. Witnesses from around the neighborhood claimed they had last seen Semaj outside, and they directed police away from the house."

What I find crazy about the IL case is that LE did not have probable cause to enter the residence - even though a child was missing.

With the Sullivan children, it's similar in that LE was also directed away from the house by the adults' comments. I can't help but think who amongst the adults in that tiny town in NS really know what happened to Jack and Lilly.

 

[Skigh]

I was just wondering similar. I know boots are all that matters because that's what we're told are missing, but I know a lot of kids find them clunky so if they were taking themselves out they might choose differently.

Also really wish we knew if Jack had clothing or not. A lot of kids that age like being naked, so I get it, but would he bother to put boots on if he didn't attempt to get dressed?

I was barefoot all the time as a kid, you don't feel stuff the same

Jmo

I cannot see Lilly letting him go out of the house with her if he was naked. Given the reports of how difficult the searchers found the terrain in the woods I cannot see a naked or scantily dressed child venturing very far without turning back or just sitting down and crying.

 

[MistyWaters]

Reading the CNN article, I'm a little confused. Glasgow's social media, linked in in your quote, does not say anything about Lily and Jack being members of the band, but that they are 'a part of' the band. In addition, the press release from Sipekne’katik First Nation does not mention the kids being members of the band. The wording is important on this one and I'm speculating that CNN didn't do their due diligence in researching band membership in Canada.

And then there's another layer, in that being a member of a band does not necessarily mean you have Indian Status (don't come for me, that's the official government term!). It's super confusing.

I don’t think it’s my eyes, so I looked again yes the article states the children are members of the band. Does that indicate they are Status First Nations, I have no idea.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/05/americas/missing-siblings-canada-nova-scotia-intl-hnk

The children are members of the Sipekne’katik First Nation, according to chief Michelle Glasgow.

“Please help bring Lily and Jack back home,” Glasgow said on social media.

 

[iamafiusny]

I cannot see Lilly letting him go out of the house with her if he was naked. Given the reports of how difficult the searchers found the terrain in the woods I cannot see a naked or scantily dressed child venturing very far without turning back or just sitting down and crying.

No, I definitely do not think he would have made it far. Even clothed I don't see them making it far.

I'm not sure Lilly would tell him to get dressed though. Not sure how much guidance they had on a day to day basis to learn that or how special needs she may or may not be.

I really don't think they wandered off at all though so

Moo

 

[ttjo]

I don't know about NS but in Ontario public school kids have outdoor shoes/boots and indoor shoes for school. Normally, the pair designated for "indoor" are worn exclusively indoors.

ETA: google says it's the same in NS.

In Alberta, kids don't even get to take their indoor shoes home, they stay at school.

 

[MollyHarps]

Them breaking up whilst the children are missing shows IMO that they couldn’t have been a strong couple - I wonder if they slept in the same bedroom (especially with the young child sleeping there). My guess is they didn’t.

I just hope the police can pin down the mother on whether or not SHE saw either child that morning (I think it will turn out that she did not)

This case is beginning to remind me of the Madeline Soto case - during this case in early interviews the mum used words like ‘we’ when in reality she never saw or heard Maddie that morning.

 

[Chimera]

We might not have an answer for Jack and Lilly for awhile if ever. There is an open homicide case in Illinois in which a 16 month old child (Semaj Crosby)was found deceased under a sofa in the family residence. EiGHT YEARS LATER the murder remains unsolved.

From a news article, "One of the biggest obstacles facing Will County Sheriff's investigators is the fact that Semaj's house burned to the ground within days of her body being found on April 27, 2017. Sheriff's officials said the fire was set by an arsonist, who they believe to be a male. "Because the house burned down, that really hindered our investigation," Sherriff Deputy Dan Jungles explained.

In defense of sheriff's investigators and the FBI special agents investigating Semaj as a missing persons case, Jungles said the police did not have probable cause to go inside the house on Louis Road at the time Semaj was reported missing. Witnesses from around the neighborhood claimed they had last seen Semaj outside, and they directed police away from the house."

What I find crazy about the IL case is that LE did not have probable cause to enter the residence - even though a child was missing.

With the Sullivan children, it's similar in that LE was also directed away from the house by the adults' comments. I can't help but think who amongst the adults in that tiny town in NS really know what happened to Jack and Lilly.

Purple bolding mine.
Agreed.

And regarding the probable cause : Seems like there could be an exception ?

I'm still wondering if DM was wet when LE arrived after he said he'd waded through waist high water looking for the children ?
Re. your bolded : Semaj Crosby is a new case to me.
How horrifying and sad.
Imo.

 

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[MistyWaters]

I was just wondering similar. I know boots are all that matters because that's what we're told are missing, but I know a lot of kids find them clunky so if they were taking themselves out they might choose differently.

Also really wish we knew if Jack had clothing or not. A lot of kids that age like being naked, so I get it, but would he bother to put boots on if he didn't attempt to get dressed?

I was barefoot all the time as a kid, you don't feel stuff the same

Jmo

It’s a leap from ‘unknown’ to ‘none’ in assuming Jack wasn’t wearing any clothing. Rather it appears neither parent saw him in the morning or they don’t remember what he had on. JMO

Missing children: Help the RCMP find Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Jack Sullivan has short blondish hair. He's wearing blue dinosaur boots. No other clothing description is available.

 

[Can_Sleuth]

A nagging question I've always had—and I know there's no answer, just sharing for the sake of it—is, on Friday, did the parent's call/email the school to report the kids' absence? This might not be a requirement absolutely everywhere but it is pretty standard. And if you don't do it in time, the school immediately calls you.
To expand on why this question has been pestering me:
It would be weird to call in and report an absence without seeing your child/children first, unless they were very sick the night previous.
If they were very sick the night previous, why are they running around ("playing outside?") before the parents are even out of bed?
I mean, the answer could easily be that truancy is the norm in this household. The absolute, inarguable conclusion is that the kids were either healthy enough to go, and no one could be bothered, or they were sick, and no one could be bothered to get up and tend to them.
It's not like anything can be derived from the answer to these questions. It's just bothersome, as a parent, to consider it.

Edited to add: On second thought, they could have told the school in advance they'd be out all week. I'll leave this flawed little post up here anyway. I'm just sad.

It was posted in one of the previous threads that there is an app from the school to report absences. So theoretically one of the parents could have reported the absence early morning from bed.

I was just wondering similar. I know boots are all that matters because that's what we're told are missing, but I know a lot of kids find them clunky so if they were taking themselves out they might choose differently.

Also really wish we knew if Jack had clothing or not. A lot of kids that age like being naked, so I get it, but would he bother to put boots on if he didn't attempt to get dressed?

I was barefoot all the time as a kid, you don't feel stuff the same

Jmo

BBM. My autistic daughter at age 3 would regularly go outside to play in a bathing suit and gum boots in the spring and summer. She would get older siblings to help her and I assume her thinking was rubber boots in case she got wet, and also swimsuit in case she got wet. Preschooler logic.

 

[iamafiusny]

It’s a leap from ‘unknown’ to ‘none’ in assuming Jack wasn’t wearing any clothing. Rather it appears neither parent saw him in the morning or they don’t remember what he had on. JMO

Missing children: Help the RCMP find Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Jack Sullivan has short blondish hair. He's wearing blue dinosaur boots. No other clothing description is available.

They both say they never saw Jack and only heard him which is one of the craziest things I've heard in all these crazy cases I follow.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

I find it all a bit try hard.

He could easily be offering these things to the police behind the scenes. We don't need to know about it.

He should focus his interviews on urging the public for help, and things about the kids that might help the public, or messages for the kids if they happen to see a TV.


Moo

Most likely he’s directly responding to reporters questions, whoever is holding the camera who we can’t see or hear. But rather than being interviewed by the media, viewers are given the impression he’s just rolling on with random statements, whatever topics cross his mind.
JMO

 

[iamafiusny]

Most likely he’s directly responding to reporters questions, whoever is holding the camera who we can’t see or hear. But rather than being interviewed by the media, viewers are given the impression he’s just rolling on with random statements, whatever topics cross his mind.
JMO

It's not the answer to the question that bothers me so much as the add ons.

They took me to the station for 4 hours... they know I'm telling the truth.

And some of them do seem like they're just turning the camera on and letting him roll. It's been done before. Like Chris Watts or Stephen McDaniel.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

They both say they never saw Jack and only heard him which is one of the craziest things I've heard in all these crazy cases I follow.

Moo

I agree 100%. In the beginning it was reported he was wearing a brown shirt and pants but then within the first few days that was retracted. Perhaps that clothing was found on the bedroom floor, just guessing.

But if one of the parents claimed they saw him that morning wearing the brown shirt and pants, that was a lie. If so, who this might’ve been, I’d guess the mother because DM said he only heard Jack in the kitchen. JMO

 

[Skigh]

They both say they never saw Jack and only heard him which is one of the craziest things I've heard in all these crazy cases I follow.

Moo

I just do not understand this either. If Lilly supposedly entered the room then surely Jack would too. Would he not have pestered either his mother of Daniel to change his diaper or get his breakfast or to help him get dressed. The bus driver said Jack kept on ,even throwing his boots to get the attention he wanted.

 

[iamafiusny]

I just do not understand this either. If Lilly supposedly entered the room the surely Jack would too. Would he not have pestered either his mother of Daniel to change his diaper or get his breakfast or to help him get dressed. The bus driver said Jack kept on ,even throwing his boots to get the attention he wanted.

Every single one of my kids would run out of their room to hug me at that age before anything else.

4 year-olds need adults. Even if he was used to being alone or told to fend for himself a lot I think it's impossible that a 4 year old didn't go in that bedroom for something at least once.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

Okay I see now. CBC is reporting something slightly different that CNN, no mention of Jack and Lilly being members, instead that the children are a part of their community. But on the Band’s webpage they indicate their community consists of band members so I think being part of a community is one and the same as being a member. JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-pictou-county-lily-jack-sullivan-1.7527613

The chief of Sipekne'katik First Nation, one of Nova Scotia's largest Mi'kmaw communities, issued a statement saying the children are part of their community. The children's maternal grandfather is a member of Sipekne'katik First Nation.

"Please help bring Lilly and Jack back home," Michelle Glasgow wrote in a Facebook post.

Who We Are Today — Sipekne'katik

www.sipeknekatik.ca

We are a vibrant, growing community of 2,986 band members…..

 

[MistyWaters]

It's not the answer to the question that bothers me so much as the add ons.

They took me to the station for 4 hours... they know I'm telling the truth.

And some of them do seem like they're just turning the camera on and letting him roll. It's been done before. Like Chris Watts or Stephen McDaniel.

Moo

Yeah it’s hard to know. Just because a reporter is asking questions doesn’t guarantee they’re getting the answers either.