CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Chimera]

This might be a cultural expectation in some places, but is not common practice in much of Canada. Many people here would consider that to be media theatrics that don't accomplish anything other than provide click bait to the media. Considering that there is no evidence of an abduction, I would not expect the family to beg for the safe return of their children.

Bbm.
A bit conflicted about a plea for the kid's safe return being media theatrics.
There was a Dateline case many years ago "In Broad Daylight" (?), where the parents of Amber Duboise and Chelsea King begged for their teens and I think it spurred many to join in the searches; some people even taking time off work to help.
Nothing wrong with that, imo.

Afaik both DM and MBM have considered the possibility that someone may have taken them.
Maybe make a plea at a presser speaking to Lilly and Jack in person in case they may have access to a tv -- that's if someone has them.
Hope that made sense ?
My opinion only.

 

[iamafiusny]

Bbm.
A bit conflicted about a plea for the kid's safe return being media theatrics.
There was a Dateline case many years ago "In Broad Daylight" (?), where the parents of Amber Duboise and Chelsea King begged for their teens and I think it spurred many to join in the searches; some people even taking time off work to help.
Nothing wrong with that, imo.

Afaik both DM and MBM have considered the possibility that someone may have taken them.
Maybe make a plea at a presser speaking to Lilly and Jack in person in case they may have access to a tv -- that's if someone has them.
Hope that made sense ?
My opinion only.

The same thing happened with Sierra Lamar. I imagine its happened in a lot of cases. It certainly doesn't hurt to keep attention on the kids names and faces.

And I can't imagine much more theatrical than running ahead of drones and helicopters.

Moo

 

[AIGT]

The same thing happened with Sierra Lamar. I imagine its happened in a lot of cases. It certainly doesn't hurt to keep attention on the kids names and faces.

And I can't imagine much more theatrical than running ahead of drones and helicopters.

Moo

Agreed, it doesn’t hurt.

Calling it theatrics or “not a Canadian thing” to keep the children’s name in the news is giving an unnecessary amount of grace (excuse) to an a parent.

There’s parents out there who’s children have been missing for decades who are still doing media.

MO

 

[TMich6811]

I guess I see it as - if the public is talking more about your missing kids than you are, that’s not okay. It’s not theatrics to be like “please don’t forget about our babies.”

Sure, they could have been advised to not say anything because of some unknown information risky safety but 0 things point to that. Absolutely 0.

Correct - the amber alert was shot down. That’s not relevant to what I said. I said mom thought her kids were abducted and then said nothing to make sure their names were in every household

 

[musicaljoke]

Agreed, it doesn’t hurt.

Calling it theatrics or “not a Canadian thing” to keep the children’s name in the news is giving an unnecessary amount of grace (excuse) to an a parent.

There’s parents out there who’s children have been missing for decades who are still doing media.

MO

There is a difference between begging for the return of your children when LE has said that there is no evidence that they were abducted, and keeping your missed loved ones in the media with reminders of their absence. Yes, keeping missing people in the public eye is all good.

 

[TMich6811]

There is a difference between begging for the return of your children when LE has said that there is no evidence that they were abducted, and keeping your missed loved ones in the media with reminders of their absence. Yes, keeping missing people in the public eye is all good.

Which hasn’t occurred either has it?

Yes - this is often begging, just for their names to be heard.

But we have a step dad who talks more about the things he’s accomplished in a day and nothing else.

 

[MistyWaters]

Bbm.
A bit conflicted about a plea for the kid's safe return being media theatrics.
There was a Dateline case many years ago "In Broad Daylight" (?), where the parents of Amber Duboise and Chelsea King begged for their teens and I think it spurred many to join in the searches; some people even taking time off work to help.
Nothing wrong with that, imo.

Afaik both DM and MBM have considered the possibility that someone may have taken them.
Maybe make a plea at a presser speaking to Lilly and Jack in person in case they may have access to a tv -- that's if someone has them.
Hope that made sense ?
My opinion only.

The family is not expected to make any demands of the public as this is an ongoing missing child investigation, the RCMP are tasked with finding the children and identifying any criminality, if it took place. The police have requested that people stay away from their search areas and they have they not asked for volunteers. Family members are not expected to take over for the police, too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

 

[AIGT]

Which hasn’t occurred either has it?

Yes - this is often begging, just for their names to be heard.

But we have a step dad who talks more about the things he’s accomplished in a day and nothing else.

Yes.

My issue with it is, and I don’t want to rehash their whole story again but - if the mom and dads story is true that the heard the kids and a few minutes later they’re completely gone then no matter what police say they should probably be screaming about an abduction. That someone had to have been driving by at that very second and scooped them up.

The police saying no signs of abduction? It means the same thing as your story doesn’t add up to them.

And if you want to say she’s staying quiet because the police said no signs of abduction and she believes that, then why isn’t she back at the property searching every day because that would be the only place they would be if there was no abduction and she didn’t bring them somewhere.

And for when people inevitably an excuse for why she can’t go back to the property, fine - use the media and ask for search teams to go look. Scream that the police say there’s no abduction but are spending 90% of the time doing interviews instead of searching the property.

Everyone can play excuse - counter point, excuse - counter point all day for people’s actions but eventually you get to the end and if you find yourself digging for an excuse it might be time to be honest with yourself and rethink.

MOO

 

[AIGT]

The family is not expected to make any demands of the public as this is an ongoing missing child investigation, the RCMP are tasked with finding the children and identifying any criminality, if it took place. The police have requested that people stay away from their search areas and they have they not asked for volunteers. Family members are not expected to take over for the police, too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

Martell claims he’s out every day looking. The police only ask the public to stay away on days they are operating which at this point is a smaller amount of time than when they have been operating.

 

[Chimera]

The family is not expected to make any demands of the public as this is an ongoing missing child investigation, the RCMP are tasked with finding the children and identifying any criminality, if it took place. The police have requested that people stay away from their search areas and they have they not asked for volunteers. Family members are not expected to take over for the police, too many cooks in the kitchen and all that.

All bolding mine.
Yes I understand what you're saying.

Re. the black bolded : I didn't mean family members taking over for the police --no one would expect that, imo.
Maybe more like keeping the kid's faces and names in the media ?
That was all.

Re. the purple bolded : The actions of LE would have little bearing on the mom and boyfriend making a public plea for someone to return the kids, though ?
Can't do any harm to beg for their return.

My opinion only ~~~ is that the RCMP have this case well in hand, and I think know far more than we do.
I've thought that from the second day on, and am looking at what actions they're taking.

Hoping fervently for good news or at least answers soon !!
Omo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Martell claims he’s out every day looking. The police only ask the public to stay away on days they are operating which at this point is a smaller amount of time than when they have been operating.

I’m not sure, are you expecting DM to take over for the police/SAR and proceed to organize search parties? Why would he do that?

 

[MistyWaters]

All bolding mine.
Yes I understand what you're saying.

Re. the black bolded : I didn't mean family members taking over for the police --no one would expect that, imo.
Maybe more like keeping the kid's faces and names in the media ?
That was all.

Re. the purple bolded : The actions of LE would have little bearing on the mom and boyfriend making a public plea for someone to return the kids, though ?
Can't do any harm to beg for their return.

My opinion only ~~~ is that the RCMP have this case well in hand, and I think know far more than we do.
I've thought that from the second day on, and am looking at what actions they're taking.

Hoping fervently for good news or at least answers soon !!
Omo.

Until the police indicate they have reason to believe the children were abducted, there’s no point in the parents/step pleading for their return. I strongly believe a successful outcome is dependant on family members and LE cohesively working together, rather than each going in a different direction (assuming criminality isn’t involved).

 

[AIGT]

I’m not sure, are you expecting DM to take over for the police/SAR and proceed to organize search parties? Why would he do that?

I’m not expecting him to do that, no. But that’s because I have a different opinion on what happened.

I think a lot of people’s expectations of what the parents actions should be don’t line up with what the reasonable actions would be based on those people’s theory of what happened.

 

[AIGT]

Until the police indicate they have reason to believe the children were abducted, there’s no point in the parents/step pleading for their return. I strongly believe a successful outcome is dependant on family members and LE cohesively working together, rather than each going in a different direction (assuming criminality isn’t involved).

It has nothing to do with police saying no evidence of abduction.

How can the parents believe there wasn’t an abduction if they believe their own version of events that morning. It’s either that or the kids hit the woods within minutes and out ran Martell who was on their tail and managed to stay together, not lose any clothes, backpack etc.

MBM has to believe abduction regardless of what police say if she knows her story that morning is true.

MO

 

[AddyFinch]

Maybe those closest to the kids have been convinced by LE there's no reason to do that.
Maybe those closest to the kids have been advised not to do that.
Maybe those closest to the kids are in a nightmarish mental state and are incapable of doing that?

Lots of things we don't know.

Playing devils advocate here but…Maybe those closest to the kids know they are being brought back to tomorrow’s search area. If the kids didn’t leave on their own, who had what to gain from having these kids gone? Was it an elaborate scheme? Will they miraculously appear tomorrow (I hope so), or will some sicko have left them there? LE must know something.

 

[AddyFinch]

I’m not expecting him to do that, no. But that’s because I have a different opinion on what happened.

I think a lot of people’s expectations of what the parents actions should be don’t line up with what the reasonable actions would be based on those people’s theory of what happened.

care to share?

 

[iamafiusny]

It has nothing to do with police saying no evidence of abduction.

How can the parents believe there wasn’t an abduction if they believe their own version of events that morning. It’s either that or the kids hit the woods within minutes and out ran Martell who was on their tail and managed to stay together, not lose any clothes, backpack etc.

MBM has to believe abduction regardless of what police say if she knows her story that morning is true.

MO

It doesn't matter how the kids got where they got, they need to be found and brought home one way or another.

I can't believe anyone would argue with parents talking to the media, holding up pictures, reminding them what the boots look like, telling people about the kids and what they might do if lost.

Keep pressure on LE and Jack and Lillys faces on the TV.

Moo

 

[MistyWaters]

There is a difference between begging for the return of your children when LE has said that there is no evidence that they were abducted, and keeping your missed loved ones in the media with reminders of their absence. Yes, keeping missing people in the public eye is all good.

For family members to beg for the return of the children with no indication they’d been abducted by police would indeed be bizarre theatrics IMO. Abductions in general cause a great deal of stress and anxiety amongst parents and children in the area. So to alarm the locals, just for the sake of satisfying the public’s expectations isn’t a good enough reason.
JMO

 

[JDG]

I’m not expecting him to do that, no. But that’s because I have a different opinion on what happened.

I think a lot of people’s expectations of what the parents actions should be don’t line up with what the reasonable actions would be based on those people’s theory of what happened.

LE does not go by people’s opinions or expectations.

They go by facts, proof and investigative protocols.

I think they have a good idea of what has occurred but need strong enough evidence to go to trial AND get a conviction.

They don’t want volunteers wading through potential evidence.

We do not operate in the same manner as the US.

 

[MistyWaters]

It doesn't matter how the kids got where they got, they need to be found and brought home one way or another.

I can't believe anyone would argue with parents talking to the media, holding up pictures, reminding them what the boots look like, telling people about the kids and what they might do if lost.

Keep pressure on LE and Jack and Lillys faces on the TV.

Moo

Are you aware of the organized search that’s to take place tomorrow and police have asked for dashcam footage from Gairloch Road? The investigation has not gone cold.

A casual reader might think we’re all panicking here because there’s no exposure, no movement in this missing children’s case at all. That’d be wrong.