CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[Ontario Mom]

They haven’t even stated they believe foul play was involved.

Something I noted with the 8 year old girl missing in the woods in Nfld, it’s apparent the behavior of an autistic child is distinctly unique. I’m sure the RCMP have the benefit of advice by child behavioural professionals who are better able to predict the actions of these children if they indeed wandered off. We tend to assume they wouldn’t go deep into the wilderness or they’d answer to their names being called so as they’ve not been found yet is proof they were never there, but maybe that’s an incorrect assumption?
JMO

One of the most common misconceptions in missing kids cases where woods are involved, is that the child can only go "this" far. And yet, in case after case after case, whenever the kid is located they're WAY past the distance where all the experts said they'd be. I've followed numerous cases like this over the years and for that reason I never underestimate how far a child can travel in dense, wooded areas.

 

[MistyWaters]

One of the most common misconceptions in missing kids cases where woods are involved, is that the child can only go "this" far. And yet, in case after case after case, whenever the kid is located they're WAY past the distance where all the experts said they'd be. I've followed numerous cases like this over the years and for that reason I never underestimate how far a child can travel in dense, wooded areas.

In addition, there’s a lot of missing persons cases where searchers unsuccessfully scoured an area then later the deceased was found.

I don’t think today’s search is the result of a tip or confession, I’m of the opinion the RCMP genuinely believe the children wandered off although the previous searches haven’t located their bodies. So that’s why they’re searching once more.
JMO

 

[Firstsnow4]

I am coming round to the wandering off idea but I just can’t place why the mum would leave the immediate area and publicly (via FB) declare herself single. Is she placing blame on DM for not keeping an eye on the kids in the morning or does she suspect something more sinister? As others have said you would want to remain in the area where they were last seen, in hopes of them returning. Does she know/suspect (either rightly or wrongly) they won’t be returning hence why she left the area and removed DM? I guess you don’t know how you would react but as a mum, I know I would be out there looking day and night (and I have lost a son, albeit not in the same circumstances). JMO.

 

[MistyWaters]

I am coming round to the wandering off idea but I just can’t place why the mum would leave the immediate area and publicly (via FB) declare herself single. Is she placing blame on DM for not keeping an eye on the kids in the morning or does she suspect something more sinister? As others have said you would want to remain in the area where they were last seen, in hopes of them returning. Does she know/suspect they won’t be returning hence why she left the area and removed DM? I guess you don’t know how you would react but as a mum, I know I would be out there looking day and night (and I have lost a son, albeit not in the same circumstances). JMO.

Perhaps she had mental or physical health needs which subsequently required medical attention and at the time the children went missing she was just hanging on by a thread? And she doesn’t need the support of DM, she has her mother by her side. That would also explain her public absence.
JMO

 

[Firstsnow4]

I’m hoping the ground search today yields some clues - anyone local to the area? I’m in the UK so four hours ahead.

 

[Ontario Mom]

It’s also reasonable for an Indigenous Woman to not engage the media due to historic and current discrimination against Indigenous Mothers. We seem to forget this mother has probably faced much prejudice in her life. Look at the rumours and judgment already. In this space and time the parents are victims and we need to treat them as such, not question their actions.

Thank you for pointing this out. It's an important, factual aspect here in Canada that needs to be seriously considered when wondering why mom hasn't been more "out there" in the media.

 

[su5ie]

I don't think lilly and Jack got changed out of their pj's as some may have thought . I think they fell asleep in their clothes from the Thursday. I also wonder ,did the children go outside in the very early hours of the morning like prehaps 5 or 6 am because if sliding door is silent as proclaimed. How do you pin a time and if parents are drifting in and out of sleep how do they know the time for certain.

Or did someone that may have had contact with them on the Thursday tell the children to meet them in the yard .

I don't think it's a stranger abduction and feel this what the RMPC mean but I'm not ruling out a family member or friend taking them

I remember the Nora quorin case and she was found in an area previously searched and her mum and dad swore because of her disabilities and mobility issues that she couldn't have got out of the holiday cabin without help . Nora was also surrounded by thick forest . Hence why I never take what kids are deemed capable of as gospel. Her parents are convinced she was abducted . Very sad case

Nóra Quoirin: 'Misadventure' verdict for girl found in Malaysian jungle

Nóra Quoirin's family say they are disappointed at the ruling and still think she was abducted.

www.bbc.com

Nora Quoirin's family express dismay as coroner rules out others' involvement

Fifteen-year-old went missing overnight while on holiday with her family in Malaysia in 2019

www.theguardian.com

Shock verdict: London teenager Nora Quoirin did not die because of 'misadventure', Malaysian court rules

A Malaysian High Court today crushed a coroner ruling that the death of London teenager Nora Anne Quoirin, whose body was found near a jungle resort, was likely to have been due to a misadventure that did not involve other people.

www.cityam.com

Kehilangan Nora Anne Quoirin - Wikipedia Bahasa Melayu, ensiklopedia bebas

ms.m.wikipedia.org

The wiki link can be translated to English, only one I could find is in Malaysian

 

[Bigditch]

dbm

 

[MistyWaters]

Probably not a popular opinion but I respect DM for taking over the concern for the children as if they were his own, given there’s no communication from the mom. He hasn’t criticized her in the slightest, nor distanced or removed himself from taking responsibility over the children as some partners of women with young children might tend to do.

How easy would it be say “I always warned her about letting those kids run around and look what happened” or “They were her kids, I didn’t have much to do with them, I was usually outside”.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

A bit of an update today. It’s not been established if the boot print that was found in the earlier search came from Jack or Lilly but they’ve nothing better to go on. These searchers are Very Special People, exhausting work not for the faint-hearted. They expect to increase the completed grid search of 6km by 1 or 2 km more. Again weather conditions are not cooperating.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/with-few-leads-search-for-missing-n-s-kids-focuses-on-area-where-boot-print-found-1.7549142

“Approximately 75 volunteers resumed the search on Saturday.…..

……Three drones are helping with the search, but poor weather conditions mean that helicopters haven't been able to assist.

In addition to the Colchester team, ground search and rescue teams from Pictou, Strait, East Hants, Springhill, Pugwash and Halifax are also helping out today.

"We're actually starting to see people that just physically and emotionally can't return to the search at this point," said Hansen. "It's very taxing on the members."…..

……The search for the children will continue until Sunday evening, barring any developments, said Hansen.”

 

[AddyFinch]

Probably not a popular opinion but I respect DM for taking over the concern for the children as if they were his own, given there’s no communication from the mom. He hasn’t criticized her in the slightest, nor distanced or removed himself from taking responsibility over the children as some partners of women with young children might tend to do.

How easy would it be say “I always warned her about letting those kids run around and look what happened” or “They were her kids, I didn’t have much to do with them, I was usually outside”.
JMO

Yes, rightly so, but the flip side of that could be, he's told her to stay quiet and he will direct the narrative. Did he threaten her, is she scared? Or for that fact, is he scared? Of her or someone else?

 

[AddyFinch]

Is this search area a known hiking spot?

 

[MistyWaters]

Is this search area a known hiking spot?

No I don’t think so. Earlier someone posted a link about a pipeline trail, a hiking trail near Halifax. Lansdowne Stn by road is 141km (90 miles or so) from Halifax, not nearby.

 

[ttjo]

No I don’t think so. Earlier someone posted a link about a pipeline trail, a hiking trail near Halifax. Lansdowne Stn by road is 141km (90 miles or so) from Halifax, not nearby.

yes thats why I asked if it was a hiking trail or an actual pipeline, because there is an actual "pipeline trail" but it is not near their home. There is a map above with a yellow line that was posted which is the search area.

 

[ttjo]

yes thats why I asked if it was a hiking trail or an actual pipeline, because there is an actual "pipeline trail" but it is not near their home. There is a map above with a yellow line that was posted which is the search area.

This is the post:

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4'

Friday at 5:11 PM

The Pipeline Trail is highlighted in yellow, the family home is the house icon, about 1.2 kms away. A boot print was found on the trail, and this weekend’s search will resume there and other unspecified places.

Map from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-lilly-sullivan-missing-children-pictou-1.7548258

• Lexiintoronto

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[MistyWaters]

yes thats why I asked if it was a hiking trail or an actual pipeline, because there is an actual "pipeline trail" but it is not near their home. There is a map above with a yellow line that was posted which is the search area.

It could be both but in this case I think the pipeline right-of-way is not used as a public hiking trail due to remoteness of the area. If it were, it’s very strange that not one reporter mentioned it. But indeed it’s a cleared pathway above the pipeline through the heavy treed forested area, possibly the reason it’s locally referred to as a trail. These pipeline “pathways” are very visable and common throughout Canada, whereever pipelines have been installed underground.

From the CBC article linked earlier -
“Hansen said the woods are full of brush and debris that have made it difficult for the searchers.”

 

[AddyFinch]

For the folks in Nova Scotia is there any similarities in this case and the Dylan Ehlers case?Dylan Ehlers

Has anyone thought these two cases are connected????

 

[Snoop Sister]

This is the post:

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4'

Friday at 5:11 PM

The Pipeline Trail is highlighted in yellow, the family home is the house icon, about 1.2 kms away. A boot print was found on the trail, and this weekend’s search will resume there and other unspecified places.

Map from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-lilly-sullivan-missing-children-pictou-1.7548258

• Lexiintoronto

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Lexi posted this map this morning and I posted it again later. I do wish posters would read some of the posts. It takes time to download and then upload maps etc.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Has anyone thought these two cases are connected????

I haven't seen anything in the media or from LE to suggest it.

 

[Snoop Sister]

This is the post:

CANADA Post in thread 'Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4'

Friday at 5:11 PM

The Pipeline Trail is highlighted in yellow, the family home is the house icon, about 1.2 kms away. A boot print was found on the trail, and this weekend’s search will resume there and other unspecified places.

Map from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-lilly-sullivan-missing-children-pictou-1.7548258

• Lexiintoronto

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To be clear, it was a partial boot impression, which appeared to possibly belong to a child. This was stated in the first press conference given by RCMP. I have posted the link several times, starting in thread 1. It was not said to belong to Lilly or Jack. Just a partial small boot impression ….


See around 23:30