CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[IzzyBlanche]

The family members were the mom and stepdad

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I haven't seen that confirmed. Do you have a link? Thank you.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Okay, I'm planting a flag.

I refuse to believe anything DM says until it is confirmed by LE, and I ask all of you to find any parallels between what RCMP has confirmed publicly and what DM has said.

The center of the Venn diagram would say Lilly and Jack are gone from their home.

The DM side would be filled with all the things DM has said.

What would the RCMP side say?

 

[ChatteringBirds]

she know/suspect (either rightly or wrongly) they won’t be returning hence why she left the area and removed DM? I guess you don’t know how you would react but as a mum, I know I would be out there looking day and night

I am very sorry for your loss, Firstsnow4.

I think I would also be our there looking as much as possible if my kids were missing, but there are many cases where LE asks parents not to, and with professionals out there searching, the parents do as asked.

I don't rule anything out in this case yet.

We could consider that if both kids are thought to be neurodiverse, mom could be also, which could affect how she processes this trauma.

 

[musicaljoke]

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I haven't seen that confirmed. Do you have a link? Thank you.

It's been linked a few times in the messages above. You may need to go back four or five pages.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Okay, I'm planting a flag.

I refuse to believe anything DM says until it is confirmed by LE, and I ask all of you to find any parallels between what RCMP has confirmed publicly and what DM has said.

The center of the Venn diagram would say Lilly and Jack are gone from their home.

The DM side would be filled with all the things DM has said.

What would the RCMP side say?

The flip side of that might be, what has DM said to the public that the RCMP have refuted?
So far, near as I can tell, nothing.

At this point, I don't have a legit reason not to believe him.

 

[Sarahlou]

None of us can know if he is lying about anything or not but I don't think the police would comment about some things DM said even if they were lies.
Give someone enough rope etc..

The police are understandably keeping things very close to their chests.

 

[su5ie]

I'm starting to think a family member harmed them or took them and are hiding them .

I understand there is a large brown /black bear population in nova Scotta and also cougars or a wild cat to that effect but surely searchers would have located evidence of that by now and its a bit of a stretch to think a wild animal or a pair of wild animals would take two children without some screaming or dogs barking.

Which leads me to my next point IF the children were victims of a stranger abduction , would any dogs in DMs yard or his mother's not be barking like crazy even if they were indoors. From experience my dogs bark if a strange vehicle pulls onto the road even if they are inside the house . They will remain quiet if its a known car or van belonging to a neighbour or friend pulls up . And god forbid if a stranger approaches the house or children the dogs go wild .

If DM was awake in bed and only the mum was sleeping. Was he watching TV or phone or just lying there with eyes closed. If a TV was on that makes a difference to what what you would hear .

Another thing I thought of is , Did DM check his mother's home for the kids before jumping in his vehicle to search roads and culverts. If not why not ? Was granny and his brother / mother welcoming to his two step children ? or did they not accept them . What was his families attitudes to the children?. And for that matter ,did the bio dads family have contact with the kids and when was he due for release ? Could his family have bumped into the kids on May the 1st when they were last seen in public ?

If the kids wandered too far I reckon the searchers have missed them in the grid search . It has happened so many times with missing small children that it's nearly a given fact at this stage to have occurred.

DM saying lilly took her backpack is bugging me unless it was a usual thing for her as in the backpack was always with her . Otherwise its DM trying to lead people in a certain direction so kind of ' oh lilly took her backpack she must of being going somewhere "

My child brings a special toy everywhere even in the home . Even at bathtime it has to be in view so in itself it's not unusual for a child to carry something around with them all day .

Another red flag for me is how did DM know what Jack was wearing if he did not see him . I suppose you could see discarded pj's on a child's bedroom floor etc and deduce he may have put on clothes that were taken of the night before but would a child capable of undressing and dressing themselves not remove a nighttime pull up too unless he wore them all day and was changed out of it by mom or stepdad and never removed it himself.

I don't think it's a sexually motivated disappearance. So to me it's one of 3 things

(1) Kids wandered off

(2) mom or/and stepdad beating gone to far and both panicked and hid them .
(3) either side of families relative either harmed them or hid them .

 

[su5ie]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213416302599

The Truth About Lying: What Investigators Need to Know | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

The difficulty of distinguishing between truthfulness and deception and how investigators can overcome it during their cases.

leb.fbi.gov

Interesting articles if anyone is Interested in reading between posts lots of links to studies in science direct link

 

[MistyWaters]

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I haven't seen that confirmed. Do you have a link? Thank you.

Sure, the link is on the same post that you snipped.

 

[MistyWaters]

Okay, I'm planting a flag.

I refuse to believe anything DM says until it is confirmed by LE, and I ask all of you to find any parallels between what RCMP has confirmed publicly and what DM has said.

The center of the Venn diagram would say Lilly and Jack are gone from their home.

The DM side would be filled with all the things DM has said.

What would the RCMP side say?

I don’t get too caught up in what people say to the media as I’m not responsible for investigating this case but I’m disappointed with the shoddy style of media reporting of it.

Other things are happening in our country so maybe it’s just a case only the most junior reporters or summer students have gotten the assignment but I’ve never seen such repetition in story after story, causing confusion because prior days reports are meshed with new making it appear as one. DMs comments are published almost daily giving the appearance he’s speaking to the media daily when is reality it’s just being repeated from days or even weeks ago.

Even the “pipeline” trail, no photo nor explanation of exactly what it resembles. Lazy reporting.
JMO

 

[Snoop Sister]

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I haven't seen that confirmed. Do you have a link? Thank you

BBM - snipped
“The RCMP s confirmed this week, the siblings were seen in public with family members on the afternoon of May 1 — one day before the disappearance — based on the details police have gathered“

However, in the same link, DM is quoted as saying “police have retrieved surveillance camera footage in New Glasgow that shows himself; the children's mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray; the couple's one-year-old baby, Meadow; and Lilly and Jack. He said he couldn't say where the footage came from because it might be important to the investigation.”

The only RCMP verified report regarding the children was that they were seen with family in public on May 1st. The RCMP did not say with whom the children were with. If you find DM to be credible, then the above statement by DM claiming himself, MBM, and baby Meadow were the family with Lilly and Jack on May 1, could be true.

4 weeks after disappearance of N.S. children, stepfather remains hopeful

Four weeks after two children vanished without a trace in rural Nova Scotia, the children's stepfather is still holding on to hope.Lilly Sullivan, 6, and her brother Jack Sullivan, 4, have been missing since May 2, when police received a 911 call from their mother and stepfather reporting they...

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[AddyFinch]

I don’t get too caught up in what people say to the media as I’m not responsible for investigating this case but I’m disappointed with the shoddy style of media reporting of it.

Other things are happening in our country so maybe it’s just a case only the most junior reporters or summer students have gotten the assignment but I’ve never seen such repetition in story after story, causing confusion because prior days reports are meshed with new making it appear as one. DMs comments are published almost daily giving the appearance he’s speaking to the media daily when is reality it’s just being repeated from days or even weeks ago.

Even the “pipeline” trail, no photo nor explanation of exactly what it resembles. Lazy reporting.
JMO

A kindred person. IMHO I am disgusted with most of the journalistic attempts world wide of late. No integrity, incorrect grammar, and absolute lack of knowledge of the product they are presenting. Even just reading the teleprompter (tv media), without knowledge of pronunciation etc. Shoddy. Hacks. Are they poorly paid? Do they lack talent ? Are they told what to write or read?
Lousy journalism leads to much confusion and a hornets nest. Maybe it's done intentionally ?
Maybe this is why LE gives out very few statements, so they aren't held to the fire of false reports?

 

[Megnut]

I don’t get too caught up in what people say to the media as I’m not responsible for investigating this case but I’m disappointed with the shoddy style of media reporting of it.

Other things are happening in our country so maybe it’s just a case only the most junior reporters or summer students have gotten the assignment but I’ve never seen such repetition in story after story, causing confusion because prior days reports are meshed with new making it appear as one. DMs comments are published almost daily giving the appearance he’s speaking to the media daily when is reality it’s just being repeated from days or even weeks ago.

Even the “pipeline” trail, no photo nor explanation of exactly what it resembles. Lazy reporting.
JMO

Churnalism.

It's not fresh reporting. It's just regurgitation. Worth a scroll, but that's about all.

I learned from @MassGuy many years ago to ignore the noise and watch what LE is doing. Every missing child case IME starts with the obvious search, and unless the child is found quickly, a parallel investigation begins, beginning in the home and rippling outward, as evidence warrants.

Ground searches yield to interrogations/interviews/investigations, warrants lead to targeted searches. Silence from LE doesn't mean it's grown cold. IMO it means they're busy behind the scenes, chasing data.

LE isn't asking for much help, beyond video footage/sightings, and that tells me they're not investigating this as wandering and, if it were an abduction, I'd expect to see LE front and center with Mom pleading for a safe return, with fresh photos of the children. I'm not seeing that. Which leaves foul play. Who or what, I'd only be speculating. Still, based on what LE is doing (but not saying), I'm afraid that's where we are.

I rather hope I'm wrong.

JMO

 

[iamafiusny]

If a family member took kids without permission or did not return them at a designated time it would still be considered an abduction.

RCMP has told us:
They do not have evidence of an abduction
They do not believe the children are alive
They do not believe the children are with an adult

I think they're saying a lot without saying much.

Statistics tell us:
That when non-runaway children go missing from within a home its almost always the cause of someone living in the house.

That stranger abductions of more than one child are extremely rare.

That the majority of missing children are found safe within 24 hours and almost all within a week.

That tracking dogs have over a 90% success rate.

Of course you'll always have anomalies like Elizabeth Smart, but you can't ignore the most likely explanation for the Sullivan children to go missing leaving no trail.

Moo

 

[AddyFinch]

Churnalism.

It's not freshly reporting. It's just regurgitation. Worth a scroll, but that's about all.

I learned from @MassGuy many years ago to ignore the noise and watch what LE is doing. Every missing child case IME starts with the obvious search, and unless the child is found quickly, a parallel investigation begins, beginning in the home and rippling outward, as evidence warrants.

Ground searches yield to interrogations/interviews/investigations, warrants lead to targeted searches. Silence from LE doesn't mean it's grown cold. IMO it means they're busy behind the scenes, chasing data.

LE isn't asking for much help, beyond video footage/sightings, and that tells me they're not investigating this as wandering and, if it were an abduction, I'd expect to see LE front and center with Mom pleading for a safe return, with fresh photos of the children. I'm not seeing that. Which leaves foul play. Who or what, I'd only be speculating. Still, based on what LE is doing (but not saying), I'm afraid that's where we are.

I rather hope I'm wrong.

JMO

YES!! I agree with all of this. Said succinctly!!

 

[MistyWaters]

Churnalism.

It's not freshly reporting. It's just regurgitation. Worth a scroll, but that's about all.

I learned from @MassGuy many years ago to ignore the noise and watch what LE is doing. Every missing child case IME starts with the obvious search, and unless the child is found quickly, a parallel investigation begins, beginning in the home and rippling outward, as evidence warrants.

Ground searches yield to interrogations/interviews/investigations, warrants lead to targeted searches. Silence from LE doesn't mean it's grown cold. IMO it means they're busy behind the scenes, chasing data.

LE isn't asking for much help, beyond video footage/sightings, and that tells me they're not investigating this as wandering and, if it were an abduction, I'd expect to see LE front and center with Mom pleading for a safe return, with fresh photos of the children. I'm not seeing that. Which leaves foul play. Who or what, I'd only be speculating. Still, based on what LE is doing (but not saying), I'm afraid that's where we are.

I rather hope I'm wrong.

JMO

Churnalism what a great word! I agree, the lack of RCMP media presence/informative updates can typically be viewed as positive in terms of the investigation progressing however it’s impossible to predict the outcome. Patience is needed.

The quote involving DM and what he heard or didn’t hear reminds me of the Telephone Game whereby something gets repeated so many times that it eventually changes course to have no resemblance to what was initially said.
JMO

 

[TMich6811]

If a family member took kids without permission or did not return them at a designated time it would still be considered an abduction.

RCMP has told us:
They do not have evidence of an abduction
They do not believe the children are alive
They do not believe the children are with an adult

I think they're saying a lot without saying much.

Statistics tell us:
That when non-runaway children go missing from within a home its almost always the cause of someone living in the house.

That stranger abductions of more than one child are extremely rare.

That the majority of missing children are found safe within 24 hours and almost all within a week.

That tracking dogs have over a 90% success rate.

Of course you'll always have anomalies like Elizabeth Smart, but you can't ignore the most likely explanation for the Sullivan children to go missing leaving no trail.

Moo

Thank you for speaking this so well

 

[AddyFinch]

If a family member took kids without permission or did not return them at a designated time it would still be considered an abduction.

RCMP has told us:
They do not have evidence of an abduction
They do not believe the children are alive
They do not believe the children are with an adult

I think they're saying a lot without saying much.

Statistics tell us:
That when non-runaway children go missing from within a home its almost always the cause of someone living in the house.

That stranger abductions of more than one child are extremely rare.

That the majority of missing children are found safe within 24 hours and almost all within a week.

That tracking dogs have over a 90% success rate.

Of course you'll always have anomalies like Elizabeth Smart, but you can't ignore the most likely explanation for the Sullivan children to go missing leaving no trail.

Moo

Absolutely agree!! WOW last two posts are very well communicated! Thank you Megnut & iamafiusny

 

[AIGT]

I don’t get too caught up in what people say to the media as I’m not responsible for investigating this case but I’m disappointed with the shoddy style of media reporting of it.

Other things are happening in our country so maybe it’s just a case only the most junior reporters or summer students have gotten the assignment but I’ve never seen such repetition in story after story, causing confusion because prior days reports are meshed with new making it appear as one. DMs comments are published almost daily giving the appearance he’s speaking to the media daily when is reality it’s just being repeated from days or even weeks ago.

Even the “pipeline” trail, no photo nor explanation of exactly what it resembles. Lazy reporting.
JMO

Agree about the shoddy reporting and confusion caused by rolling over old info into new articles. All it does is throw flames on the fire of speculation.

I was able to find the remark that Martell heard the door opening and closing being reported as far back as May 13th (link below).

It appears this new quote we saw yesterday was rolled over from that may 13 article as it is exactly the same. Still, the date of this apparent quote isn’t clear if it was the 13th or before then.

The reporter this quote is attributed to is a 30 year journalist.

While I agree it is odd that we haven’t heard this anywhere else, I don’t think we can just say that it’s a misquote because of that.

The quote is so different than the other ones that it would be a very egregious misquote imo. To the point of it having to be completely made up. I’m not saying that’s not possible either.

I think everyone here regardless of what you think happened can agree that it’s quite the odd quote for all of us to see, whether it’s because he said it or because a journalist was so careless.


RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

 

[MistyWaters]

If a family member took kids without permission or did not return them at a designated time it would still be considered an abduction.

RCMP has told us:
They do not have evidence of an abduction
They do not believe the children are alive
They do not believe the children are with an adult

I think they're saying a lot without saying much.

Statistics tell us:
That when non-runaway children go missing from within a home its almost always the cause of someone living in the house.

That stranger abductions of more than one child are extremely rare.

That the majority of missing children are found safe within 24 hours and almost all within a week.

That tracking dogs have over a 90% success rate.

Of course you'll always have anomalies like Elizabeth Smart, but you can't ignore the most likely explanation for the Sullivan children to go missing leaving no trail.

Moo

While your conclusion may be right on, I don’t think it’s quite fair to claim the RCMP has told us exactly what you claim they have.

The “no evidence of an abduction” has been ‘churned’ for four weeks now in regard to the mother demanding an Amber Alert. More recently they’ve stated “Investigators remain committed to exploring all possibilities surrounding the children's disappearance.”

Investigators seek additional video footage to advance missing children investigation | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

The RCMP said they believed the children were likely to be no longer alive when searching in the woods after the first week. That comment was specifically referenced, I don’t recall a general statement made about believing the children to not be alive.

I also don’t recall it said the RCMP didn’t believe they’re with an adult. What is the source of that?