CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #4

[MistyWaters]

Agree about the shoddy reporting and confusion caused by rolling over old info into new articles. All it does is throw flames on the fire of speculation.

I was able to find the remark that Martell heard the door opening and closing being reported as far back as May 13th (link below).

It appears this new quote we saw yesterday was rolled over from that may 13 article as it is exactly the same. Still, the date of this apparent quote isn’t clear if it was the 13th or before then.

The reporter this quote is attributed to is a 30 year journalist.

While I agree it is odd that we haven’t heard this anywhere else, I don’t think we can just say that it’s a misquote because of that.

The quote is so different than the other ones that it would be a very egregious misquote imo. To the point of it having to be completely made up. I’m not saying that’s not possible either.

I think everyone here regardless of what you think happened can agree that it’s quite the odd quote for all of us to see, whether it’s because he said it or because a journalist was so careless.


RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

Thank you for taking the time to check that out. Aside from the shodding reporting, we also have no way of knowing what was told to detectives under oath during various interviews.

His and her stories appear to be somewhat contrived to me and if so, I believe LE would’ve gotten an explanation for why was that early on. That reason may represent the core of the investigation. I always remember that there’s no law for lying to the media, but hopefully the truth eventually arises.
JMO

 

[Bigditch]

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0145213416302599

The Truth About Lying: What Investigators Need to Know | FBI: Law Enforcement Bulletin

The difficulty of distinguishing between truthfulness and deception and how investigators can overcome it during their cases.

leb.fbi.gov

Interesting articles if anyone is Interested in reading between posts lots of links to studies in science direct link

Interesting article. Truly shows the complexity of real detective work.

 

[iamafiusny]

While your conclusion may be right on, I don’t think it’s quite fair to claim the RCMP has told us exactly what you claim they have.

The “no evidence of an abduction” has been ‘churned’ for four weeks now in regard to the mother demanding an Amber Alert. More recently they’ve stated “Investigators remain committed to exploring all possibilities surrounding the children's disappearance.”

Investigators seek additional video footage to advance missing children investigation | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

The RCMP said they believed the children were likely to be no longer alive when searching in the woods after the first week. That comment was specifically referenced, I don’t recall a general statement made about believing the children to not be alive.

I also don’t recall it said the RCMP didn’t believe they’re with an adult. What is the source of that?

The RCMP has officially stated several times they do not believe the children were abducted.

They also are not behaving in a way we'd expect them to if there had been an abduction, in my opinion.


RCMP spokesperson Cpl. Carlie McCann made the comment about them not believed to be with an adult. I think it was the first week of the search and I linked the article in a previous post. I'll try to find it again, but it was behind a paywall and I no longer have free access.

Moo

 

[CuriousCricket]

Agree about the shoddy reporting and confusion caused by rolling over old info into new articles. All it does is throw flames on the fire of speculation.

I was able to find the remark that Martell heard the door opening and closing being reported as far back as May 13th (link below).

It appears this new quote we saw yesterday was rolled over from that may 13 article as it is exactly the same. Still, the date of this apparent quote isn’t clear if it was the 13th or before then.

The reporter this quote is attributed to is a 30 year journalist.

While I agree it is odd that we haven’t heard this anywhere else, I don’t think we can just say that it’s a misquote because of that.

The quote is so different than the other ones that it would be a very egregious misquote imo. To the point of it having to be completely made up. I’m not saying that’s not possible either.

I think everyone here regardless of what you think happened can agree that it’s quite the odd quote for all of us to see, whether it’s because he said it or because a journalist was so careless.


RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

this is one that's really difficult to know whether it's a mistake on the journalist's part or a change of story by the stepfather.

The journalist is not only seasoned but award-winning, who just retired to become a minister.

Sometimes wrong info also gets into stories because the editor added something wrong. Few things upset a writer as much.

JOHN DeMONT: A N.S. reporter puts down his notebook and takes to the pulpit

Longtime Canadian Press reporter Michael Tutton is retiring from journalism to become an Anglican priest.

www.saltwire.com

 

[Bigditch]

Churnalism what a great word! I agree, the lack of RCMP media presence/informative updates can typically be viewed as positive in terms of the investigation progressing however it’s impossible to predict the outcome. Patience is needed.

The quote involving DM and what he heard or didn’t hear reminds me of the Telephone Game whereby something gets repeated so many times that it eventually changes course to have no resemblance to what was initially said.
JMO

The Party Effect!

 

[Bigditch]

Agree about the shoddy reporting and confusion caused by rolling over old info into new articles. All it does is throw flames on the fire of speculation.

I was able to find the remark that Martell heard the door opening and closing being reported as far back as May 13th (link below).

It appears this new quote we saw yesterday was rolled over from that may 13 article as it is exactly the same. Still, the date of this apparent quote isn’t clear if it was the 13th or before then.

The reporter this quote is attributed to is a 30 year journalist.

While I agree it is odd that we haven’t heard this anywhere else, I don’t think we can just say that it’s a misquote because of that.

The quote is so different than the other ones that it would be a very egregious misquote imo. To the point of it having to be completely made up. I’m not saying that’s not possible either.

I think everyone here regardless of what you think happened can agree that it’s quite the odd quote for all of us to see, whether it’s because he said it or because a journalist was so careless.


RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

I have a lot of respect for the CP. If verified, the silent door theory is thrown into question. Imo

 

[iamafiusny]

Despite what wording RCMP use in their statements, major crime units does not investigate all missing person cases.

And they were brought in very quickly on this case.

"No, the RCMP Major Crimes Unit does not investigate all missing person cases. They focus on missing person cases where foul play or criminality is suspected. Other missing person cases are typically handled by front-line investigators with support from the Missing Persons Unit."

Such as this case where it was handed over to major crimes after new details emerged

RCMP major crime unit takes over missing woman's case after new details emerge

New details uncovered in the case of a missing Fredericton woman have prompted the New Brunswick RCMP to hand over the investigation to a unit typically tasked with investigating suspicious disappearances.On the third anniversary of Kari Lynn Rose Campbell's disappearance, the RCMP announced on...

ca.news.yahoo.com

Too many red flags to ignore in this case, in my opinion.


Moo

 

[TMich6811]

Agree about the shoddy reporting and confusion caused by rolling over old info into new articles. All it does is throw flames on the fire of speculation.

I was able to find the remark that Martell heard the door opening and closing being reported as far back as May 13th (link below).

It appears this new quote we saw yesterday was rolled over from that may 13 article as it is exactly the same. Still, the date of this apparent quote isn’t clear if it was the 13th or before then.

The reporter this quote is attributed to is a 30 year journalist.

While I agree it is odd that we haven’t heard this anywhere else, I don’t think we can just say that it’s a misquote because of that.

The quote is so different than the other ones that it would be a very egregious misquote imo. To the point of it having to be completely made up. I’m not saying that’s not possible either.

I think everyone here regardless of what you think happened can agree that it’s quite the odd quote for all of us to see, whether it’s because he said it or because a journalist was so careless.


RCMP interviewing people closest to two children missing from rural N.S. community

Good find

 

[iveyguy]

And they were brought in very quickly on this case.

MBM's mother publicly accused DM roughly 24 hours after the disappearance. This was at the same time MBM left a police briefing to sit in an ambulance. She has not been back or spoken since. I believe that the RCMP were already considering this to be a "major crime" on the morning of Day #2, and that was the turning point for MBM and her mother.

 

[iamafiusny]

MBM's mother publicly accused DM roughly 24 hours after the disappearance. This was at the same time MBM left a police briefing to sit in an ambulance. She has not been back or spoken since. I believe that the RCMP were already considering this to be a "major crime" on the morning of Day #2, and that was the turning point for MBM and her mother.

I'm thinking along the same lines as you.

Jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

Despite what wording RCMP use in their statements, major crime units does not investigate all missing person cases.

And they were brought in very quickly on this case.

"No, the RCMP Major Crimes Unit does not investigate all missing person cases. They focus on missing person cases where foul play or criminality is suspected. Other missing person cases are typically handled by front-line investigators with support from the Missing Persons Unit."

Such as this case where it was handed over to major crimes after new details emerged

RCMP major crime unit takes over missing woman's case after new details emerge

New details uncovered in the case of a missing Fredericton woman have prompted the New Brunswick RCMP to hand over the investigation to a unit typically tasked with investigating suspicious disappearances.On the third anniversary of Kari Lynn Rose Campbell's disappearance, the RCMP announced on...

ca.news.yahoo.com

Too many red flags to ignore in this case, in my opinion.


Moo

The investigation of the disappearance of an adult who has the option to take off on their own accord including death caused by suicide would be quite different from that of two missing children, ages 4 and 6 years. If this case hadn’t been considered suspicious from the get-go considering the weak and questionable lead up story stated by each of the adults, the competence of the RCMP would’ve been called into question. I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact they made the right call to involve Major Crimes from the very beginning, These detectives have specialized skills to get the story straight when interviewing anyone directly involved.

But I’ve followed too many cases where the closest male automatically becomes the most popular suspect and in several instances that’s been proven wrong,

 

[iamafiusny]

The investigation of the disappearance of an adult who has the option to take off on their own accord including death caused by suicide would be quite different from that of two missing children, ages 4 and 6 years. If this case hadn’t been considered suspicious from the get-go considering the weak and questionable lead up story stated by each of the adults, the competence of the RCMP would’ve been called into question. I don’t think anyone is disputing the fact they made the right call to involve Major Crimes from the very beginning, These detectives have specialized skills to get the story straight when interviewing anyone directly involved.

But I’ve followed too many cases where the closest male automatically becomes the most popular suspect and in several instances that’s been proven wrong,

There was just a child, Adalyn Skinner, missing for 24 hours and major crimes was not called in.

Took less than 24 hours for them to be called in for Lilly and Jack.

You can only make so many excuses; sometimes if it walks like a duck, its a duck.

Jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

There was just a child, Adalyn Skinner, missing for 24 hours and major crimes was not called in.

Took less than 24 hours for them to be called in for Lilly and Jack.

You can only make so many excuses; sometimes if it walks like a duck, its a duck.

Jmo

Various media reports state Major Crimes became involved in this case on May 3rd.

It’s impossible to compare different cases. This case is definitely suspicious especially as both parents suggested it was possible an abduction took place. I doubt very much it was a yard argument amongst adults that the brought Major Crimes in.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/pictou-county-missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-7-1.7528438

“MacKinnon said all missing persons files "are treated as suspicious until our investigation leads us to determine otherwise." He said there have been no confirmed sightings of the children.”

 

[iamafiusny]

It’s impossible to compare different cases.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/pictou-county-missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-7-1.7528438

“MacKinnon said all missing persons files "are treated as suspicious until our investigation leads us to determine otherwise." He said there have been no confirmed sightings of the children.”

Professionals definitely compare different cases, behaviors of all parties involved, possible and likely outcomes.

Moo

 

[AddyFinch]

Do we have proof that MBM is still alive, incarcerated or committed?

 

[Chimera]

I have a lot of respect for the CP. If verified, the silent door theory is thrown into question. Imo

Emphasis mine.
Agreed.
As do I.

Despite what wording RCMP use in their statements, major crime units does not investigate all missing person cases.

And they were brought in very quickly on this case.

"No, the RCMP Major Crimes Unit does not investigate all missing person cases. They focus on missing person cases where foul play or criminality is suspected. Other missing person cases are typically handled by front-line investigators with support from the Missing Persons Unit."

Such as this case where it was handed over to major crimes after new details emerged

RCMP major crime unit takes over missing woman's case after new details emerge

New details uncovered in the case of a missing Fredericton woman have prompted the New Brunswick RCMP to hand over the investigation to a unit typically tasked with investigating suspicious disappearances.On the third anniversary of Kari Lynn Rose Campbell's disappearance, the RCMP announced on...

ca.news.yahoo.com

Too many red flags to ignore in this case, in my opinion.


Moo

Bbm.
Good find.

Why treat this case differently than another missing persons' case ?
I think that something may have piqued the interest of the RCMP Major Crimes Unit in this case.
What that might be, we still don't know.

MBM's mother publicly accused DM roughly 24 hours after the disappearance. This was at the same time MBM left a police briefing to sit in an ambulance. She has not been back or spoken since. I believe that the RCMP were already considering this to be a "major crime" on the morning of Day #2, and that was the turning point for MBM and her mother.

The mother, MBM may not be speaking to the media or making a public plea for help finding her kids, but that doesn't mean the RCMP told her not to do so.
If the RCMP comes forward and states that they asked the mother to not plea for her kids, I'll believe them.
Am continuing to hope for updates from LE !
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Professionals definitely compare different cases, behaviors of all parties involved, possible and likely outcomes.

Moo

Sure but professionals have access to all the facts including inside information which the general public never hears. We get our information only from churnalism which only scratches the surface in terms of facts and key individuals associated with these children. During any open investigation police never say too much, least of all they would not want to tip off what or who they’re investigating.

 

[AddyFinch]

I have a lot of respect for the CP. If verified, the silent door theory is thrown into question. Imo

im outta the loop... who is CP?Canadian Press?

 

[Chimera]

im outta the loop... who is CP?Canadian Press?

Canadian Police ?

 

[MistyWaters]

Do we have proof that MBM is still alive, incarcerated or committed?

or in Canada or Nova Scotia?