CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[cckp72]

Just moo, but mom seems to be the more suspicious one of the two. By no means am I accusing her, there is simply not enough information to us yet. I know it has been discussed as nauseam, but leaving the area, doing the FB status, and her demeanor on the news just doesn't sit right with me. It could be guilt of negligence rather than maliciousness tho.

I haven't stopped thinking about these 2 babies since the first day. Heartbreaking.

 

[cckp72]

I think that the kids are in the bush. I know that searchers looked for them but I've seen first hand how searchers go through the woods. They comb in one direction, which works well until there are major problems with the landscape. In this case, they would have had to go over the same land in four directions to do a thorough search, and that didn't happen. If you look at the photo of the downed trees, you can easily imagine that two little kids could tuck in under the uprooted trees to find shelter. Searchers would walk by in one direction, but would need to turn back to go completely around each spot where the kids could have been. While going around one difficult part, it is easy to miss another difficult place beside them. The searchers constantly mentioned how difficult the terrain was. I think the kids are still there. It might be years before they are discovered. Or sadly, maybe never.

I agree with you. Kids can get away from you so fast. I had thought I "lost" my daughter once and I had only turned away for less than 5 seconds. She was found quite away from where she was last.

If these 2 decided to set out on an 'adventure' for whatever reason, they could have gotten quite a distance before it was discovered they were missing.

 

[Gemmie]

I think that the kids are in the bush. I know that searchers looked for them but I've seen first hand how searchers go through the woods. They comb in one direction, which works well until there are major problems with the landscape. In this case, they would have had to go over the same land in four directions to do a thorough search, and that didn't happen.

I am in TOTAL agreement about not searching/combing in one direction.

While this example isn't a search of humans, it stresses the point you've made. I noticed a while back when shopping at a garage or estate sales that if I don't turn around and go back down the same aisle from which I came from the opposite direction, that I could miss a lot of treasures. And that's when stuff is laid out to be seen, not a body that could be hidden someplace which is more difficult than stuff laid out on a table for viewing.

Due to that I totally agree that it's best to hit the same area coming from different directions. And to also look up, which is why they missed Tyler Goodrich until a little over year later.

JMO

 

[Bigditch]

I don't buy into dog attack or drug overdose . The first would leave evidence and the latter one kid I could believe, two kids both overdosing and dying at the same time I don't feel is possible and I don't think they died from beatings .

I think someone took them from the home not necessarily a stranger or to harm them and I think there is a chance they are alive .

I'm sure we all hope you are right about that last one.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Going out on a limb, here. I place zero faith in interpretations of what either parent is saying/ doing now. Why? Someone mentioned Maleyha keeps turning her social media off and on. Some else mentioned she's not a teen. But that doesn't mean she has the emotional level over anything greater than a teen. I have no idea if she relies on others to survive life or not ( most of us know some people like that). If she does, retreating to family and doing whatever they say might be paramount to her mental survival. I am in no way saying this is true, but because I don't KNOW I cannot judge those actions.

As to Daniel, he simply may suffer from lack of filter and may interpret things in a derogatory way to himself due to normal guilt. If someone said to him "How could the kids just disappear?" He might interpret that as "They think I had something to do with it" especially if he feels guilty that he fell back asleep or did not check fast enough. And then, having no filter, says that to a reporter. Again, not saying this is a fact, but I don't KNOW, so cannot judge.

What I think about their parenting skills is very different than if their actions speak to other than their own perceived neglectful guilt. And who would not feel guilty in this same situation? Let's not go into how we'd never be in this situation. Let's just go with if everything happened exactly as explained, I can see everything done and said as being a normal progression of a family breakup due to the situation. A lot of families don't survive things like this.

JMO, as always.

 

[Ghostwheel]

What do posters feel happened that morning or in the preceding 15 hours or so since that last public sighting?

I consider there is a very good chance of abduction by someone they were familiar enough to recognize, or possibly someone driving a van that they thought would take them to school.

JUST ONE THEORY:
Kids got up, thought they needed to get ready for school, Lily helped Jack get cleaned up, dressed and fed. When neither parent came out to take them to where the bus picked them up, Lily donned her backpack, got her brother and went out the door. Parents had fallen back asleep. Lily and Jack went to the road and got picked up there.

Just one of my many possible theories

 

[BCSleuth]

The one person I do not suspect at all is Malehya. DM has stated that he saw the kids that morning. So if M did it then he has to be covering for her. Which I simply do not see as a realistic scenario.

I am having a really hard time developing a theory for this case. DM is the one with an obvious possible motive. And what is up with all the CPS intervention? It sure looks like Malehya suspects him. So I have to go with that as the most likely scenario in this case. But the kids wandering off or a stranger abduction are both still possibilities. You never know.

 

[doublestop]

DM is the one with an obvious possible motive.

What would his motive be?

 

[su5ie]

I think that the kids are in the bush. I know that searchers looked for them but I've seen first hand how searchers go through the woods. They comb in one direction, which works well until there are major problems with the landscape. In this case, they would have had to go over the same land in four directions to do a thorough search, and that didn't happen. If you look at the photo of the downed trees, you can easily imagine that two little kids could tuck in under the uprooted trees to find shelter. Searchers would walk by in one direction, but would need to turn back to go completely around each spot where the kids could have been. While going around one difficult part, it is easy to miss another difficult place beside them. The searchers constantly mentioned how difficult the terrain was. I think the kids are still there. It might be years before they are discovered. Or sadly, maybe never.

Kids can also move from place to place so just because the kids weren't there when it was being searched doesn't mean the kids didn't return to a spot previously searched . This is the problem with grid searches imo .

Kids or adults lost in dense forest create a chess board scenario, constant moving pieces and when those pieces are tiny it gets harder to spot .

 

[BCSleuth]

What would his motive be?

Not wanting to raise somebody else's kids. Financial and time burden.

 

[Ursa Major]

Theories.
JMO this could be a combination of two. It is possible for kids to go in the woods exploring and getting lost in the process. But right from the start of searches, the parents made public statements, saying "the kids can go with anyone". IMO saying anything like that in public, especially right after the children went missing is very dangerous & can be used against the children by someone with less than good intentions. So one of my "theory" is they went into the woods, got lost, and then got abducted. And this possible abduction might be targeted, because the creep got informed about them easily "going with anyone" through the media.
Another theory is there was harm inflicted by someone close, accidentally or intentionally, and it was covered up afterwards. This "someone" may include the dog, but I don't see how the resulting evidence may go overlooked by LE, do this is indeed less likely.

 

[Slebby]

One of the things I find strange about MBM leaving DM when she did is that it was so early in the crisis - day 2? - that it wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility that the children would be found. Not at that point. What would have happened if, after leaving to stay with her family, the children were found safe the next day? Do they reunite? It seems that something very grave had happened that caused her to declare “we are done”. I understand how the strain of losing children can break couples apart. But on day 2?

DM speaks to the press, she does not. We only have his side of things. I think it was offside for DM to make references to her mental health. We have no way of knowing if she has experienced any mental health issues. His comments have made people think maybe she does. If she does, it’s no one’s business. He can wrap his statement in caring words, as though he is defending her. But what he’s potentially done is reveal intimate details about her, and he may have even stated something that’s patently untrue.

My opinion.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

It seems that something very grave had happened that caused her to declare “we are done”. I understand how the strain of losing children can break couples apart. But on day 2?

I want to keep an open mind. At the same time, it's very hard to imagine a parent not wanting to search for, or be near the search, on day 2, if the parent didn't know what happened to the missing children.
Except that she did need to care for her other daughter, so maybe that changes things.

 

[MistyWaters]

One of the things I find strange about MBM leaving DM when she did is that it was so early in the crisis - day 2? - that it wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility that the children would be found. Not at that point. What would have happened if, after leaving to stay with her family, the children were found safe the next day? Do they reunite? It seems that something very grave had happened that caused her to declare “we are done”. I understand how the strain of losing children can break couples apart. But on day 2?

DM speaks to the press, she does not. We only have his side of things. I think it was offside for DM to make references to her mental health. We have no way of knowing if she has experienced any mental health issues. His comments have made people think maybe she does. If she does, it’s no one’s business. He can wrap his statement in caring words, as though he is defending her. But what he’s potentially done is reveal intimate details about her, and he may have even stated something that’s patently untrue.

My opinion.

By MBM leaving so soon and using FB to announce their separation, lots of people drew the conclusion she fled because she knew DM was responsible for causing harm toward the children. Or maybe her actions were designed to cast suspicion toward him and the relationship was already on the rocks? We don’t know anything about her personality including if she had manipulative tendencies. Regardless IMO she appears no less implicated because by leaving it seems she knew the children would not be found during the search.

It’s been six weeks now. I don’t believe DM be walking around a free man if MBM had incriminating evidence against him.

If she has mental health issues I don’t think DM did her a disservice by saying so because it explains her silence. Gone are the days when health issues like that are shameful or swept under the rug. We also don’t know but DM may have made those comments for the sake of attempting to squash local gossip by people who know much about MBM than strangers from a distance.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I want to keep an open mind. At the same time, it's very hard to imagine a parent not wanting to search for, or be near the search, on day 2, if the parent didn't know what happened to the missing children.
Except that she did need to care for her other daughter, so maybe that changes things.

It’s not as if she was all alone in the wilderness when she left, she was surrounded by LE who were present at the scene.

IMO she went to the hospital. What other reason would she sit in the back of an ambulance? If she was afraid she’d have found a police car,

 

[AddyFinch]

Has LE confirmed there were other people in the home or on the property that morning?
I would like to know what person in the RV did or said that morning when DM began screaming for kids in yard. Were they ever involved with children's care, or in search that morning?
Did MBM work outside the home?
How often did biological father visit kids? Did MBM have legal custody of kids?
Did DM have partial custody of his other kids, or regular visitation, were they supervised visits. Did those kids stay at DM's house for sleepovers etc? Would they have interviewed those kids, at least the oldest?

 

[su5ie]

One of the things I find strange about MBM leaving DM when she did is that it was so early in the crisis - day 2? - that it wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility that the children would be found. Not at that point. What would have happened if, after leaving to stay with her family, the children were found safe the next day? Do they reunite? It seems that something very grave had happened that caused her to declare “we are done”. I understand how the strain of losing children can break couples apart. But on day 2?

DM speaks to the press, she does not. We only have his side of things. I think it was offside for DM to make references to her mental health. We have no way of knowing if she has experienced any mental health issues. His comments have made people think maybe she does. If she does, it’s no one’s business. He can wrap his statement in caring words, as though he is defending her. But what he’s potentially done is reveal intimate details about her, and he may have even stated something that’s patently untrue.

My opinion.

I reckon the relationship was at breaking point between the two anyway . Maybe DV or just that they had fallen out of love . The usual when a thread is holding a relationship together, it doesnt take much to snap it
Because for their version of events that morning to hold up. According to both of them ,they were in the bedroom together and there is no mention of them being outside of that room without each other for any length of time it doesn't make sense to blame or suspect Daniel .

How can Maleyha honestly hold Daniel in suspicion if she was with him the whole time and they both state there was only a 20 minute gap between hearing the kids and not hearing them .

If this version is totally correct . They didn't even get time to get a story straight as apparently Daniel was out the door in seconds searching and Maleyha rang the RCMP and they had arrived before he got home .

If Maleyha really suspects Daniel enough to leave and cut all contact and 100% thinks he harmed her children, well she is an accomplice and lied about what truly happened that morning. Maybe she doesn't want cps to know she was asleep while her ,3 Yr and 6yr old children were unattended and quite possibly meadow too . Because it changed from we were sleeping to we were feeding the baby . So maybe she was sleeping and doesn't know if Daniel was up or asleep but imo she is lying even if it's out of some concerns over her guardianship of the baby

Maybe her intial response was a heat of the moment self preservation version of events and Daniel followed her lead and if she back tracks any chance of keeping custody of meadow is gone in her mind .

When the body has a trauma response , the brain automatically gets very selfish and only thinks of self protection and the chemical reaction that happens in these types of incidents has no difference between getting a gun put to your head or your kids going missing. I imagine the woman is in shock still

 

[su5ie]

One of the things I find strange about MBM leaving DM when she did is that it was so early in the crisis - day 2? - that it wasn’t beyond the realm of possibility that the children would be found. Not at that point. What would have happened if, after leaving to stay with her family, the children were found safe the next day

If the children had of been found the next day , the general protocol would be that Maleyha would be contacted by LE to say the children were found and are enroute to a hospital for rehydration and a check up

 

[borndem]

I am in TOTAL agreement about not searching/combing in one direction.

While this example isn't a search of humans, it stresses the point you've made. I noticed a while back when shopping at a garage or estate sales that if I don't turn around and go back down the same aisle from which I came from the opposite direction, that I could miss a lot of treasures. And that's when stuff is laid out to be seen, not a body that could be hidden someplace which is more difficult than stuff laid out on a table for viewing.

Due to that I totally agree that it's best to hit the same area coming from different directions. And to also look up, which is why they missed Tyler Goodrich until a little over year later.

JMO

bbm
It certainly wouldn't hurt to search from a different starting point -- maybe it's already been done, but if not...

 

[AddyFinch]

If MBM and DM were on the rocks prior to missing children, why were they in bed with each other that morning? I know that’s the last place I would be unless forced. So I don’t believe they were in the same room at all. If the blow out happened as said ie families got into an accusatory argument and she said “I’m outta here”, or “I’m outta here final straw”, then that the start of the relationship failure. If it as before, maybe she has a good reason to distrust him. Does he have a prior history of DV?
I agree with OP who said it was dirty to mention her mental health.and if she didn’t have one prior, she certainly would now. Her flesh and blood are gone.