CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

Lol!!! I luv your work description!!
I also think he is “confused”
There are many, many reasons why wonderful, well-intentioned social workers burn out from working in Child Protection, and Bible-sized court documents are only a drop in the bucket. Literally, God bless the people that stick with it, they're just built different. My SIL did close to 20 years and I noped out almost immediately. She's a damn hero, imo, I'd light myself on fire.
 
Yes, hard agree with all of this, that's how it works here too (I'm speaking on behalf of NB here, not NS, mind you, but they operate pretty much the same way.) The question wasn't about removal, it was about access to the child. When a child is removed from their parents, the parents usually still have, at the very least, supervised visitation rights. In my jurisdiction they have a special room for those at our regional office. For him to have been denied access to his child means several home visits happened, multiple people were interviewed, massive brick-like documents were prepared by over-worked social workers (they are seriously insanely dense, it's wild,) everyone went to court, a judge made a decision...etc. At this point in time they would still be in the investigation stage, and he made this claim what, a handful of days in? Impossible.
I'm in ireland and this would be the usual protocol here .
It actually flabbergastes me at times ,that parents with severe histories of neglect ,physical abuse , drug abuse and or criminal records for above towards children are still allowed access to those children abet as you say supervised in a room with social workers .

The reluctances of the child protection services to break up the " family unit" is why I questioned what DM said . Unless he was asked the question " was he still seeing the toddler or how is the toddler coping by a reporter and rather than say Maleyha won't let him see her , he blamed cps . But that exposes himself as a liar and at the very least that he will bend the truth when it suits him . And also put the microscope of scrutiny around why she won't allow him see his child

I'm going to look up historical cases where child siblings have gone missing together and the outcomes of those .

That's the part that is putting the skids on my thoughts on this case because at every angle I think it is very rare that two children let alone siblings would be killed ,abducted, sold ,have an accident together and it is covered up. So all the usual scenarios don't seem to fit logic .

As we see in Admiral Rock a few days ago two children were present but only one grabbed.

One child having an accident, parents panic ,cover it up , tell child (B) child (A ) went to live with bio parent in case of step parent involvement etc. Or in the case of a beatings gone too far .The siblings are too much in fear to open their mouth about anything in case the abusive / killer parent turns on them as I seen in the Sara sharif case on WS

Usually with siblings there is one a bit daring and one a tattle tale so even the possibility of kids wandering far enough for it to be beyond the boundaries of safe return for child (A) not to run back to parent and say child (B) is going to far

Two children let alone siblings getting into a car with a stranger would be unusual too . Usually one will get away and run tell an adult . It is very hard for an abductor to grab / escape/ hide / control one child let alone two unless the perpetrator is known to them and they go willingly like in the Holly and Jessica case in England .
 
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I'm going to look up historical cases where child siblings have gone missing together and the outcomes of those .
These are the cases I could find prehaps in other countries different cases will come up on Google searches .




^^this is cousins ^^


^^both children went ' missing " but separately in the vallow case and they were murdered by Lori but I thought I would include it .

These were the only cases I could find so I'm guessing it's extremely rare .As another poster on WS put it . It's the equivalent of finding a red diamond. There is multiple cases of sibling murders and abductions where there is family involvement as we on WS are well aware unfortunately
 
Not a lawyer, but I remember a law textbook (back in 2009 mind you), I read from my social studies teacher that if one parent has a criminal record, that is grounds for Social Services to not let the parent visit their child. The reason is because that the government thinks that the ex-con parent can harm their child.
But surely it would depend on the crime?
 
In an ideal world one would think !! I often feel criminals have more rights than actual victims

Once a couple separates, the terms of visitation is arranged and approved by Family Court. Just because a father decides one day on a whim he wants to see his child he can’t suddenly show up without prior arrangements. That’d be entirely inconsiderate to the custodial parent.
 
I wonder if MBM told LE she suspects DM, and that she was incapacitated (drugs or whatever to render her unconscious) from Thursday until Friday am when they were missing. She states zero awareness/recall/memory, and DM is suspect but no evidence. Maybe LE are waiting and compiling? They obviously have no evidence on DM as no arrest.
Could this have been retribution for bad business? How does someone support 3 kids from this relationship and two from another, with only work one day per week?
I wonder if LE interviewed previous wife as to DM character, his behaviour with his kids, and hers with him? A photo published re all his kids together with him certainly revealed L&J knew their half siblings.

Can you repost the photo of all the siblings together. I missed it. Thanks
 
I'm in ireland and this would be the usual protocol here .
It actually flabbergastes me at times ,that parents with severe histories of neglect ,physical abuse , drug abuse and or criminal records for above towards children are still allowed access to those children abet as you say supervised in a room with social workers .

The reluctances of the child protection services to break up the " family unit" is why I questioned what DM said . Unless he was asked the question " was he still seeing the toddler or how is the toddler coping by a reporter and rather than say Maleyha won't let him see her , he blamed cps . But that exposes himself as a liar and at the very least that he will bend the truth when it suits him . And also put the microscope of scrutiny around why she won't allow him see his child

I'm going to look up historical cases where child siblings have gone missing together and the outcomes of those .

That's the part that is putting the skids on my thoughts on this case because at every angle I think it is very rare that two children let alone siblings would be killed ,abducted, sold ,have an accident together and it is covered up. So all the usual scenarios don't seem to fit logic .

As we see in Admiral Rock a few days ago two children were present but only one grabbed.

One child having an accident, parents panic ,cover it up , tell child (B) child (A ) went to live with bio parent in case of step parent involvement etc. Or in the case of a beatings gone too far .The siblings are too much in fear to open their mouth about anything in case the abusive / killer parent turns on them as I seen in the Sara sharif case on WS

Usually with siblings there is one a bit daring and one a tattle tale so even the possibility of kids wandering far enough for it to be beyond the boundaries of safe return for child (A) not to run back to parent and say child (B) is going to far

Two children let alone siblings getting into a car with a stranger would be unusual too . Usually one will get away and run tell an adult . It is very hard for an abductor to grab / escape/ hide / control one child let alone two unless the perpetrator is known to them and they go willingly like in the Holly and Jessica case in England .

Unless there were 2 perps.
 
Yes, hard agree with all of this, that's how it works here too (I'm speaking on behalf of NB here, not NS, mind you, but they operate pretty much the same way.) The question wasn't about removal, it was about access to the child. When a child is removed from their parents, the parents usually still have, at the very least, supervised visitation rights. In my jurisdiction they have a special room for those at our regional office. For him to have been denied access to his child means several home visits happened, multiple people were interviewed, massive brick-like documents were prepared by over-worked social workers (they are seriously insanely dense, it's wild,) everyone went to court, a judge made a decision...etc. At this point in time they would still be in the investigation stage, and he made this claim what, a handful of days in? Impossible.

But it may have been what the mother told him, whether true or not, and he is just repeating what he was told.
 
But it may have been what the mother told him, whether true or not, and he is just repeating what he was told.

Or if he didn’t know where MBM and child were living, maybe he just spontaneously showed up at the CPS office asking for access. But CPS not even having a Family Court file on visitation arrangements they’d have told him can’t help you.

It wouldn’t surprise me if a reporter asked him if he’d seen his young child and he made this “no, but I tried’ response without explanation, whether true or not. Reporters seem to not ask any follow up questions of him, as simple as ‘why not?’.
 
Unless barred by cps, (& all we know is what DM said), he has a right to see his own daughter !
Maybe him taking action in that regard, might blow this case wide open ?
I keep thinking there's something that could tip the scales, and some information we're missing in poor Lilly and Jack's disappearance.

So sad that there's just nothing and no new updates.
Imo-- they didn't 'vanish' into the woods and LE aren't treating this like an abduction, so what is left ?
Omo.
 
Or if he didn’t know where MBM and child were living, maybe he just spontaneously showed up at the CPS office asking for access. But CPS not even having a Family Court file on visitation arrangements they’d have told him can’t help you.

Another possibility is that he was misled into believing his daughter was in CPS care, perhaps to temporarily prevent him from having contact with MBM and family. And then, like you said, he shows up at CPS asking for visitation and they deny him without any further details. CPS would have very strict privacy rules and almost certainly wouldn't share any information with a visitor who just showed up at their office...
 
Unless barred by cps, (& all we know is what DM said), he has a right to see his own daughter !
Maybe him taking action in that regard, might blow this case wide open ?
I keep thinking there's something that could tip the scales, and some information we're missing in poor Lilly and Jack's disappearance.

So sad that there's just nothing and no new updates.
Imo-- they didn't 'vanish' into the woods and LE aren't treating this like an abduction, so what is left ?
Omo.
I think this will be just like Summer Wells. Several years down the line nothing will have been resolved and Jack and Lilly will not have been found.
 

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