CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[Bigditch]

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From the Gobe and Mail link posted, it indicates the report to child welfare was initiated by someone at the school according to Martel.

“The visit was prompted by concerns that had been relayed by someone at the children’s school and related to their developmental delays, Mr. Martell said.”

Missing Nova Scotia children were assessed by child welfare agency months before disappearance

Lilly and Jack Sullivan have been missing since early May, and a police investigation is under way

www.theglobeandmail.com

I added the link on my post. It isn’t pay walled

Okay I'm lost. Is the above article what you are refering to?

Where does it mention the investigation was prompted by a faculty member from the children's school?

I don't mean the bit where Daniel speaks to the idea that the kids might be on the spectrum.

Sorry to be so long winded, ss.

 

[Bigditch]

Oh I was just wondering what you meant ha

It’s paywalled for me

Me too.

 

[Snoop Sister]

DBM

 

[AddyFinch]

Oh I was just wondering what you meant ha

It’s paywalled for me

Wasn't when I posted above link, but now is.. I wonder if traffic causes it to change? Maybe article has been pulled, we all did read it. It was school who reported.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Okay I'm lost. Is the above article what you are refering to?

Where does it mention the investigation was prompted by a faculty member from the children's school?

I don't mean the bit where Daniel speaks to the idea that the kids might be on the spectrum.

Sorry to be so long winded, ss.

"Daniel Martell, who was in a common-law relationship with the children’s mother and was living with them when they went missing, told The Globe and Mail in an interview in May that a social worker with child protective services visited the home several months ago. The visit was prompted by concerns that had been relayed by someone at the children’s school and related to their developmental delays, Mr. Martell said."

Missing Nova Scotia children were assessed by child welfare agency months before disappearance

Lilly and Jack Sullivan have been missing since early May, and a police investigation is under way

www.theglobeandmail.com

It's not paywalled right this moment, but it will be eventually. The Globe and Mail does this often but for now, that's the proper link.

 

[FansBlowing]

The parents can still be prosecuted, even if they do not find any bodies. The challenge will be proving death. The prosecution will have to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the victims are deceased. There are 11 RCMP units working on the case, with the major crime unit taking the lead. They can use circumstantial evidence, which must be compelling enough to convince a jury that the only logical explanation for these kids' disappearance is that they are no longer alive.

 

[MistyWaters]

"Daniel Martell, who was in a common-law relationship with the children’s mother and was living with them when they went missing, told The Globe and Mail in an interview in May that a social worker with child protective services visited the home several months ago. The visit was prompted by concerns that had been relayed by someone at the children’s school and related to their developmental delays, Mr. Martell said."

Missing Nova Scotia children were assessed by child welfare agency months before disappearance

Lilly and Jack Sullivan have been missing since early May, and a police investigation is under way

www.theglobeandmail.com

It's not paywalled right this moment, but it will be eventually. The Globe and Mail does this often but for now, that's the proper link.

https://archive.li/c2nf8

“Child welfare authorities investigate when a report of suspected abuse or neglect is received by the agency. In Nova Scotia, every person has a legal obligation to report concerns of suspected abuse or neglect of a child. The law stipulates that teachers and other childcare workers have an added duty to report.”

Is it only a bizarre coincidence that a precise example of neglect as described by MBM and DM is what led to the children’s disappearance???

 

[Bigditch]

I am speaking to child abuse and neglect, not learning disabilities.

Is it possible a third party could have launched a complaint against DM & MBM with Child Welfare Services?

A working theory that's all.
Jmo

 

[Snoop Sister]

I am speaking to child abuse and neglect, not learning disabilities.

Is it possible a third party could have launched a complaint against DM & MBM with Child Welfare Services?

A working theory that's all.
Jmo

Neglect can be a reason for developmental delays. The home environment can be a reason a child is not thriving. The school reported issues to Child Welfare according to Martel.

Learning disabilities is not a reason in itself to do a report to child welfare.

 

[MistyWaters]

I am speaking to child abuse and neglect, not learning disabilities.

Is it possible a third party could have launched a complaint against DM & MBM with Child Welfare Services?

A working theory that's all.
Jmo

From the link above. I’m certain that teachers are trained to recognize the fact that developmental delays can sometimes be a result of abuse or neglect.

The visit was prompted by concerns that had been relayed by someone at the children’s school and related to their developmental delays, Mr. Martell said.

 

[TMich6811]

The school likely sees developmental delays daily. For them to report the delays as potential neglect needed something else - I wonder if they missed a lot of school or additional concerns were noted

 

[Bigditch]

Neglect can be a reason for developmental delays. The home environment can be a reason a child is not thriving. The school reported issues to Child Welfare according to Martel.

Learning disabilities is not a reason in itself to do a report to child welfare.

Exactly.

 

[Bigditch]

Does the article clearly state that it was reported by the school, teacher, principal? Anyone other than Daniel?

 

[Ontario Mom]

https://archive.li/c2nf8

“Child welfare authorities investigate when a report of suspected abuse or neglect is received by the agency. In Nova Scotia, every person has a legal obligation to report concerns of suspected abuse or neglect of a child. The law stipulates that teachers and other childcare workers have an added duty to report.”

Is it only a bizarre coincidence that a precise example of neglect as described by MBM and DM is what led to the children’s disappearance???

I don't agree that MBM and DM's reported activity that morning is an example of neglect. If a sleepy toddler parent fell back asleep in the morning when the older kids were already up (if that's what actually happened, and I'm beginning to question that story myself) is "neglect" then, half the world's population should be investigated.

However, that doesn't mean that someone else didn't assume they were neglectful for whatever reason and that's what prompted the investigation.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Does the article clearly state that it was reported by the school, teacher, principal? Anyone other than Daniel?

No, it does not. It merely confirms there was a file on the kids.

"Scott Armstrong, Nova Scotia’s Minister of Opportunities and Social Development, confirmed in an interview that the agency had a file on the children prior to their disappearance, but said it would be inappropriate for him to discuss the agency’s findings. With Jack and Lilly still missing and a police investigation under way, it’s not the right time to dissect the agency’s prior involvement, Mr. Armstrong said. “We have no idea where those kids are and we should be focused on helping them and finding them and supporting this family,” he said.

He had a few more things to say:

Asked whether a review has been ordered into his agency’s prior interaction with the children, he said: “As minister, I’ve seen a report. I’ll talk to that. I’ve personally seen the report. I asked for it,” he said. “I’m aware of how our department was involved in this.” He added: “I think we should be focused more on those kids than we are on looking to blame somebody.”

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't agree that MBM and DM's reported activity that morning is an example of neglect. If a sleepy toddler parent fell back asleep in the morning when the older kids were already up (if that's what actually happened, and I'm beginning to question that story myself) is "neglect" then, half the world's population should be investigated.

However, that doesn't mean that someone else didn't assume they were neglectful for whatever reason and that's what prompted the investigation.

Half of the world’s population of children don’t go missing, the parents having no idea what they’re wearing, if they had breakfast nor where they went to. There’s really not much difference between expecting a 4 and 6 year old to fend for themselves and neglectful parenting. Obviously young children need some level of supervision to protect them from dangers, especially if they’re prone to heading off into the outdoors.
JMO

 

[AddyFinch]

Ok here it is just incase it disappears again. Last paragraph https://archive.li/c2nf8

 

[MistyWaters]

Does the article clearly state that it was reported by the school, teacher, principal? Anyone other than Daniel?

Yes it reads “relayed by someone at the children’s school…”

 

[Ontario Mom]

There’s really not much difference between expecting a 4 and 6 year old to fend for themselves and neglectful parenting.

We'll just have to disagree on that.

Either way, I do suspect someone likely accused them of either neglect or abuse & that's what triggered the file to be opened on the kids and the home visit. I also suspect at some point it will possibly come out what the result of that visit was. It really wouldn't surprise me if they found zero grounds for the complaint & closed the file.

 

[AddyFinch]

It doesn't really matter "whodunnit" or maybe in a crime it does??? I would be miffed if a teacher didn't recognize issues with a child, and I'm sure they have a referral team who all collaborate on each case. Of course it could be someone with an axe to grind, a Karen, or even a nasty family member.
I guess what matters is, if the agencies acted on behalf of the kids or if they fell thru the cracks?