CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[su5ie]

The hand off theory to me is not logical .

When assessing any theory I ask myself who, what ,why ,when and where ? And of course how ?

The only logical explanations that answer those questions doesn't involve a planned handover. If I step into illogical and conspiracy and twist the narrative to suit that idea ,yes those questions can be answered .

But ,It is totally illogical to suspect the parents or parent handed over the two children to the care of another without somebody explaining the situation at the very least within 3 days .

To create a situation, where we have multiple agencies invested in finding these children , nobody and I mean absolutely nobody is going to stay silent if their original intention was in good faith .

So if hypothetically Maleyha wanted to escape a toxic or abusive relationship would it not have been easier to arrange for her mom to come collect all 3 children on the pretence of babysitting or to arrange a day out with the kids ,mom and herself and make the escape then .

Let's say she wasn't thinking properly, she was suffering from mental health issues and in a panic arranged for lilly and jack to be picked up that morning. Would a father not fight more to keep his bio child in the home ?

I think it's time the scenario of a planned handover is put to bed . Even if Daniel planned it to somehow scare Maleyha into staying in a relationship she wanted to leave . The person he handed the children over to would have come clean by now .

I can't see any way either fight or flight reasons to remain hush hush . As you say @Ontario Mom ,it just doesn't wash

 

[ttjo]

If DM was not aware of the plan, how is it he has reported seeing Lilly and hearing Jack on the morning of May 2?
What is your rationale for believing MBM gave the children to her family members?

because if they didnt go missing until that morning, he could have seen them.
Im not even clear on exactly what happened, they had the same story, but it doesnt mean that's what happened.

 

[ttjo]

So please don't judge lilly and Jack's behaviour as them being naughty they may not have been

I didnt judge their behavior, but you may have missed the first post this was a response to that.

 

[su5ie]

Who?, lilly and jack sullivan
What?, missing
Where?, 1407 Gairloch Road
When?, 2nd of may 2025
Why,? suspected inadequate supervision
How? , many theories, no definitive answer. allegedly through sliding door
Holes in theories, Many !

 

[su5ie]

I didnt judge their behavior, but you may have missed the first post this was a response to that.

Sorry I didn't mean to construct it as blaming yourself . It was a general remark I wanted to place in thread and something I was concerned about getting across in response to a couple of posts regarding screaming and boot throwing and whether or not it was a learned behaviour and I wanted to quell the potential criticisms on whether it was socially acceptable behaviour from children whom are suspected and alleged to have autism or special needs . It is something that is very close to my heart and I would really hate for my child's behaviour that they can't control being up for debate and judgement. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to apologise and explain my reasoning

 

[Slebby]

Su5ie said: “I think it's time the scenario of a planned handover is put to bed”

I agree 100%!

 

[ttjo]

Sorry I didn't mean to construct it as blaming yourself . It was a general remark I wanted to place in thread and something I was concerned about getting across in response to a couple of posts regarding screaming and boot throwing and whether or not it was a learned behaviour and I wanted to quell the potential criticisms on whether it was socially acceptable behaviour from children whom are suspected and alleged to have autism or special needs . It is something that is very close to my heart and I would really hate for my child's behaviour that they can't control being up for debate and judgement. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to apologise and explain my reasoning

NO worries, I understand, The point I was making earlier was not about special needs as much as when there is not an aid on the bus to help a bus driver, behavioral kids can feed off of eachother and it can get a little wild.

 

[CityKid]

If DM was not aware of the plan, how is it he has reported seeing Lilly and hearing Jack on the morning of May 2?

I don't know if either of them was in an altered state, what time DM got home the night of May 1, etc. IMO perhaps she told him she'd heard/seen them and he added that to his story to make him sound like the children were more supervised than it appears, and that their stories aligned.

What is your rationale for believing MBM gave the children to her family members?

IMO she might have wanted to return to her band with the children.

 

[CityKid]

because if they didnt go missing until that morning, he could have seen them.
Im not even clear on exactly what happened, they had the same story, but it doesnt mean that's what happened.

Their stories perfectly aligned on IMO a few key points, including the silent sliding door and the kids would talk to anyone, go with anyone. MOO I don't know how much is true in either of their statements (or DM's multiple shifting statements), but to me they sound rehearsed/scripted.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Their stories perfectly aligned on IMO a few key points, including the silent sliding door and the kids would talk to anyone, go with anyone. MOO I don't know how much is true in either of their statements (or DM's multiple shifting statements), but to me they sound rehearsed/scripted.

Can you provide an example (from approved MSM) of any of his shifting statements?

 

[ttjo]

IMO she might have wanted to return to her band with the children.

Im not disagreeing with you but why go through so much trouble, why not let them go to school and she could have picked them up there? or go shopping or so many other way's would have been so easy ? why stage a planned handover.? Im not asking b/c i dont believe it I'm asking for some rationale on why anyone would have done it that way? whats the motive?

 

[su5ie]

One theory that I've kept to myself as I wasn't sure it was logical and borderline conspiracy

Daniel mentions in his interview and he also addresses the rumours about a drug party and lots of cars in the driveway and that he is aware of why and who it came from . He also states there is more to the case than meets the eye and more evidence known than the public is aware of .

Maleyha on the morning of the disappearance claimed in the phone call to the RCMP that lilly and jack had been abducted.

Now here is my thoughts using that information. What if family members ,relatives or others confronted the parents the night before about cps involvement and possibly threw accusations of them neglecting the two children hence the vehicles in the driveway and with loud noise and possibly many people a passing neighbour might precieve it as a party of some sort .

Arguments ensued and escalated and possible threats of removal of the children if they didn't buck up their act . . Hence 54 people hauled in for questioning and some are given polygraphs maybe the ones that insinuated that they would take lilly and jack or those that formed part of the confronting party .

Now whether or not that person followed through on the threat or the kids wandered off / ran away as they felt to blame for the argument. They are still gone . And there is no lead as to how

Maleyha's first thought of abduction then doesn't seem so absurd and her family's accusations don't seem so either as in well it's your fault Daniel it has come to this . The mother of Maleyha removes her from the situation and she now knows but is not saying anything as she is protecting herself from prosecution and lilly and jack . The person who has them feels they did the right thing and that as its a family matter don't say anything as they don't like authorities hence the confrontation in the first place .

I'm aware that this post is probably amusing at best and conflicts with my earlier post of putting scenarios of a hand over to bed but I'm trying to think outside of the box and it's not a hand over but a deliberate removal of the children from the home , prehaps the relative returned to "chat " with the parents after having some time to think saw the children unsupervised and thought ' nothing is going to change , come on kids into the car and off they go

 

[MistyWaters]

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on the theory.

From what I've read in MSM, the kids were with mom, DM and baby sister.

If the children's mom handed her kids off to family then called 911 and reported them missing, not only is she in a world of trouble, so will those family members be. I'm not sure what all the charges might be but they'd likely start with falsely reporting an emergency & interfering with a police investigation. There's been countless resources and expenses associated with this case and if it was all for nothing and the kids are fine, there will be dire, legal consequences for anyone involved.

As far as I can see, there's only 1 reason for speculation on a hand-off the early morning of May 2, and that is social media rumor we're not allowed to discuss here.

If mom wanted to get away from DM, she could have just done exactly what she did the day after the kids went missing.

If DM was unaware of this plan, it doesn't wash that he'd just go along with her story and lie to the media & likely also RCMP and tell them he saw Lilly that morning and heard Jack in the kitchen.

Re- World of trouble

I’d doubt it. This is Canada where even violent murderers are often treated with kid gloves, particularly with consideration to Gladeau principles. Courts are also light on sobbing mothers who take action to protect their children.

<modsnip: Off topic>

 

[AddyFinch]

Interesting we’ve discussed abduction every which way to Sunday, lost in woods til the cows come home, but never murder.

 

[su5ie]

Im not disagreeing with you but why go through so much trouble, why not let them go to school and she could have picked them up there? or go shopping or so many other way's would have been so easy ? why stage a planned handover.? Im not asking b/c i dont believe it I'm asking for some rationale on why anyone would have done it that way? whats the motive?

Prehaps she had no transport of her own and relied on Daniel to get about or her transport was not available and getting repaired or broken down . There is multiple options of a plausible solution to her not collecting the kids and are rational explanations.

Personally and I've stated it multiple times and I'm in full agreement with you . Imo a planned pick up behind Daniels back is not logical behaviour that would continue over a period of 7 weeks . Maleyha is away from Daniel if that was her goal and once that was achieved on day 2 she could have stopped the investigation and apologised for wasting police time and explained her reasoning, gone into therapy for DV and no further action would be taken other than prehaps a cps check up and adult welfare and mental health assessment. Prehaps a slap on the wrist and a fine

 

[tlcya]

I don't know if either of them was in an altered state, what time DM got home the night of May 1, etc. IMO perhaps she told him she'd heard/seen them and he added that to his story to make him sound like the children were more supervised than it appears, and that their stories aligned.

IMO she might have wanted to return to her band with the children.

MBM had every option to return to the band, so long as they would have her, or to return to other family not within the band if they would not. She had a vehicle, full custody of her older two (now missing) children, and shared custody of the youngest child (M) that she and DM share together.

What possible need would there be for MBM to concoct some hoax of disappearing her children by handing them over to some unknown third party in order to "escape" DM?

I keep seeing this theory but nobody can explain to me why MBM might feel such an extreme, illegal, action is needed to simply leave a relationship she wanted to end?

How would a hoax like that even end? Suddenly the children turn up back with MBM now that she has left the property? Seems as if if that were the case the time for the children to reappear has long since passed?

I want to understand the thought process that leads some to believe MBM disappeared her children to escape the property or DM or her relationship, etc because I honestly cannot make it make sense?

IF this is a hoax, she could be prosecuted for making a false report, she could be held financially responsible for the hundreds of thousands of dollars in resources being used to search for her not missing after all kids? See the Sherri Papini case. She was sentenced to 18 months in prison for her lies. She was ordered to pay 309,902.00 in restitution for the resources she wasted.

 

[AddyFinch]

MBM had every option to return to the band, so long as they would have her, or to return to other family not within the band if they would not. She had a vehicle, full custody of her older two (now missing) children, and shared custody of the youngest child (M) that she and DM share together.

What possible need would there be for MBM to concoct some hoax of disappearing her children by handing them over to some unknown third party in order to "escape" DM?

I keep seeing this theory but nobody can explain to me why MBM might feel such an extreme, illegal, action is needed to simply leave a relationship she wanted to end?

How would a hoax like that even end? Suddenly the children turn up back with MBM now that she has left the property? Seems as if if that were the case the time for the children to reappear has long since passed?

agree ALL of the above!!
What’s left.. Cadavar dogs not being used in bush, therefore LE says no to kids in bush
LE says no to stranger abduction.
LE says all scenarios being investigated….whats left?
Accident / Murder.

 

[derweezy]

Interesting we’ve discussed abduction every which way to Sunday, lost in woods til the cows come home, but never murder.

I think the reason many of us assume abduction over murder is the queues from the RCMP. They just recently stated that this was still a missing persons investigation and, for me, the lack of deploying cadaver dogs leads me to believe the RCMP do not think the children are in the woods or on the property. If the children were murdered on the property, I have to believe that they would have found some evidence and unless they have and have not shared it (I still think if this were the case they would have used the cadaver dogs) then I have to believe they feel the children are alive. It's easier for me to believe (and hope) that they were abducted and are alive and well, then the alternative. I'm hopeful the reward will bring some new information to light, but I'm beginning lose hope in that as well.

 

[Sarahlou]

I think the reason many of us assume abduction over murder is the queues from the RCMP. They just recently stated that this was still a missing persons investigation and, for me, the lack of deploying cadaver dogs leads me to believe the RCMP do not think the children are in the woods or on the property. If the children were murdered on the property, I have to believe that they would have found some evidence and unless they have and have not shared it (I still think if this were the case they would have used the cadaver dogs) then I have to believe they feel the children are alive. It's easier for me to believe (and hope) that they were abducted and are alive and well, then the alternative. I'm hopeful the reward will bring some new information to light, but I'm beginning lose hope in that as well.

And yet, the questions they supposedly asked Daniel in the polygraph test were about Lilly and Jack's deaths.

This case is so confusing.

 

[TMich6811]

Interesting we’ve discussed abduction every which way to Sunday, lost in woods til the cows come home, but never murder.

I actually think it was discussed early on but victim friendly got a lot of that removed.

I do not believe this was an abduction or they were every in the woods.

I still unfortunately stand that something negligent happened to either both of them or one was a witness. Nothing that has been said changes that for me.

The lack of cadaver dogs is strange to me but even them being lost in the woods makes the lack of dogs strange because they wouldn’t be alive. So I actually don’t have any idea as to why they haven’t used them unless they are confident they weren’t in the woods.

And in my theory means they know something happened and they were removed or they know something happened elsewhere