CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[ttjo]

Well I feel like that doesn't make sense in this situation. It seems to me if you want to stop co-parenting with DM, you would need to have the baby kidnapped.

or try to make it look like DM had something to do with the disappearance.? not by accusing him , but removing him from everything social media looks a little fishy it just makes you wonder why? it can imply there is trouble. its perception that is leaving it open to speculation. ( althought doesnt look like that worked as DM comes across pretty sincere)
I don't know what that would do to Daniel's rights? a SW in Nova scotia can speak to that.

It still bothers me about her saying "we didnt get an amber alert, its possible they could have been abducted, I mean its possible..." it felt almost like someone trying to convince.
Dylan Ehlers didnt get one either. surely they had to know why Dylan didnt get one, ( no vehicle info) they're from the same town and 5 years in the news? why did they think they would get an amber alert or did they know they wouldnt,?
I dont think anyone expected this to blow up like it did either. How often are canadian cases all over the internet?

Then DM has no claim on any of your remaining kids, so you can disappear and then secretly get the baby back from wherever you stashed her. So as a theory for this particular case, it doesn't make sense to me, since from what I gather Lilly and Jack's dad isn't really in the picture anyway. At least I haven't heard anything about him

and you make sense also, and so does maybe she did this cause she cant ever leave or get away alone, shes always with Daniel.

 

[teeby]

Oh I hadn't thought of the possibility of framing DM for a fake kidnapping. That's interesting. I do feel though that if that were the plan the obvious strategy is to subtly contradict his story.... Say "I fell asleep and he said he would handle the kids so I went back to sleep, and he definitely wasn't in bed with me and the whole house was silent, but I don't know where he was or what he was doing.... I assumed they were all playing outside...But he wouldn't hurt the kids, would he?? He gets upset sometimes but don't all dads...?"

ETA: this is all totally theoretical/speculating about what someone might do. Not saying it happened or is likely in this case.

 

[ttjo]

Oh I hadn't thought of the possibility of framing DM for a fake kidnapping. That's interesting. I do feel though that if that were the plan the obvious strategy is to subtly contradict his story.... Say "I fell asleep and he said he would handle the kids so I went back to sleep, and he definitely wasn't in bed with me and the whole house was silent, but I don't know where he was or what he was doing.... I assumed they were all playing outside...But he wouldn't hurt the kids, would he?? He gets upset sometimes but don't all dads...?"

I dont know anymore about him than what people have said, and that hasnt been bad, he may bark at them occasionally but I sure haven't heard of any allegations of abuse. He seems fairly mild-mannered to me, but I dont know anything about him.

 

[teeby]

I dont know anymore about him than what people have said, and that hasnt been bad, he may bark at them occasionally but I sure haven't heard of any allegations of abuse. He seems fairly mild-mannered to me, but I dont know anything about him.

Oh yes sorry, I absolutely don't mean that the stuff in quotes would be true. I just meant that theoretically, if you wanted to frame your significant other for kidnapping/presumed murder, you could subtly cast doubt on his parenting that way, regardless of whether it was true.

 

[MistyWaters]

Oh yes sorry, I absolutely don't mean that the stuff in quotes would be true. I just meant that theoretically, if you wanted to frame your significant other for kidnapping/presumed murder, you could subtly cast doubt on his parenting that way, regardless of whether it was true.

Yes that is so but we only know what she told the media, not what she said when interviewed by the RCMP assuming she didn’t use her right to remain silent.

If we’re being played I think it’s because the media versions expressed by both parties was cleansed and simplified compared to what each of them told the RCMP.
JMO

 

[Bigditch]

Well I’m off to Alaska, but just wanted to add a final thought…this might sound cold and callous, but is there a possibility everyone has been played?

Stay safe.

 

[10ofRods]

yes and that's what's frustrating because the police arent saying anything and all other info coming out is people speaking to other shows, and you cant confirm the information so we are kind of at a standstill.
I also feel like right now, I care less about who did it as much as I care about what happened to the kids and where are they? I can wait for the who. I'd like to know the police have leads and are actively pursuing because there are kids missing, and no info can sometimes feel like its not moving.

Get used to it. Ongoing investigations are not "talked about" in the media unless there are very, very specific strategic and legal reasons.

I think all of us here only care about where the kids are. But the police are looking for them and have a strategy, which, if divulged, might end up (as we see in other cases) the opposite of what we all want.

 

[ttjo]

Get used to it. Ongoing investigations are not "talked about" in the media unless there are very, very specific strategic and legal reasons.

I think all of us here only care about where the kids are. But the police are looking for them and have a strategy, which, if divulged, might end up (as we see in other cases) the opposite of what we all want.

I know and the police don’t owe us anything.you just have to have faith

 

[su5ie]

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sorry I cant link the post, but its in the 4th thread.
This explains it well, what time the 911 call came in and what time the children were " noticed" being gone.
The mom and stepdad were sleeping, allegedly so it must be an approximate time?

So that would give a 2 hour window between noticing the children gone and calling LE . Well that has given me food for thought

 

[su5ie]

Oh I know. I’m autistic and couldn’t read analog clocks until I was 12. Digital clocks I had no problems with-I may not have had a grasp of what the time meant, but I was still able to read the numbers.

My autistic child 14 and no concept of time , numbers read one by one so 14 30 pm is 1 - 4 - 3- 0 . But no idea what time that is might as well be reading a size chart . But would know 8.00 am means school

 

[su5ie]

Oh I hadn't thought of the possibility of framing DM for a fake kidnapping. That's interesting. I do feel though that if that were the plan the obvious strategy is to subtly contradict his story.... Say "I fell asleep and he said he would handle the kids so I went back to sleep, and he definitely wasn't in bed with me and the whole house was silent, but I don't know where he was or what he was doing.... I assumed they were all playing outside...But he wouldn't hurt the kids, would he?? He gets upset sometimes but don't all dads...?"

ETA: this is all totally theoretical/speculating about what someone might do. Not saying it happened or is likely in this case.

This is actually quite a good train of thought . Turning the tables .

Daniel states in a number of media interviews, " I did everything for those kids " " They came to me if they needed anything " Now to a psychologist if his statement is true that is heard as mum is not available, children have learnt that their request for help is ignored and they find someone other than the main care giver to meet their needs .

Cps involvement : when a report is made by the school , it is the bio parent that is called to answer questions. Only after speaking with mum ( as she has sole custody) would others if suspected of neglect or abuse be reported and a case made to LE . A mother's boyfriend is not considered a guardian so the intial contact would not require him to be present. At least that would be the protocol in ireland .

If I live with a boyfriend regardless if we share a child , in the case of any step children only the biological parent would speak to authorities on their behalf . Letters from school are addressed to me .

So what if mum was the subject of the cps report and DM came out of it unscathed and mum wanting to place or aportion blame on DM you turn the tables to make him look like the bad guy ie not watching the kids after saying he would while you had a much needed sleep , exhausted from being awake all night with sick kids for example

All speculation and moo , I know neither are poi and it is a hypothetical scenario. It is not victim blaming it is me trying to think of a possible scenario that would cause me to fake a disappearance on the back of a cps visit

 

[TMich6811]

I did everything for those kids mindset sounds bigger to me. It’s about him. What he did. I’ve always thought it to be selfish BUT I wonder if it’s more a…. I did everything for those kids and she _______. Did something to hurt him prior to this.

 

[su5ie]

I did everything for those kids mindset sounds bigger to me. It’s about him. What he did. I’ve always thought it to be selfish BUT I wonder if it’s more a…. I did everything for those kids and she _______. Did something to hurt him prior to this.

Some times when a response is like this one it comes from a learnt behaviour of having to explain yourself or an insecurity that you won't be believed. It is generally from childhood . Always being blamed by a parent or always having to validate your statements. Apologising for self , over explaining etc .

We normally hear it from children. I always eat my dinner or I never lie both impossible truths as sometimes we are sick and can't eat or sometimes a child has lied in the past to save oneself from a beating or some other form of punishment etc .

I'm not inferring that this is the case here and it may well be a need to glorify oneself from a narcissistic type personality

Imo in this circumstance it was as you are getting at , a deflection from him onto her . In other words it wasn't me I did everything for those kids she did nothing so look in that direction

I believe every word and every part of his body language from DMs interviews will be analysed by psychologists and behavioral specialists for any hidden clues that might indicate what happened to the children

 

[su5ie]

Two hours is a long time for kids to be left unattended at any age let alone 4 and 6 . Would there be enough light at 8am for the kids to even want to go outside . Grant it in an urban setting there would be street lights but in such a remote location I would imagine it would be quite dusky until sun was high in the sky and if cloudy even more so .

 

[ttjo]

I did everything for those kids mindset sounds bigger to me. It’s about him. What he did. I’ve always thought it to be selfish BUT I wonder if it’s more a…. I did everything for those kids and she _______. Did something to hurt him prior to this.

He may think she owes him, he has taught them everything and hes the only one they listen to ( tongue in cheek) so maybe he feels shes indebted to him. I dont know his marital/ divorce situation, was he already split from the mother of his other 2 kids when he met MBM ?

Depends on how much he feels hes sacrificed. Maybe he knew she wanted to leave and he wasnt having it.

 

[abanddb123]

Oh I know. I’m autistic and couldn’t read analog clocks until I was 12. Digital clocks I had no problems with-I may not have had a grasp of what the time meant, but I was still able to read the numbers.

I don't know if I'm autistic, but I'm glad I'm not the only one. Couldn't understand a regular clock till 5th or 6 grade. Same with my daughter and she is on the spectrum. Sorry this off the subject. May delete after IlovePierre reads this.? Thanks

 

[su5ie]

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A few interesting papers and sunrise / sunset times that may be valid in the context of could Daniel be fixing a fence the evening before , would there have been enough light ? I don't know if he mentions at what approximate time he was fixing the fence ?? Rural and urban areas look quite different at dusk and Dawn with the latter having street lights .
And how to analyse a person's interviews and statements

 

[Serononin]

I've been skimming back over some of the reporting on this case, and there are a few things that, IMO, it's surprising we haven't heard more about (someone please correct me if any of these things have been clarified and I missed it):

1) A more detailed description of what the kids were wearing that morning, or at the very least what they were wearing the night before/whenever the parents last saw them.

2) What Lilly might've had in her backpack (especially the supposed blanket - if she did have a blanket with her and at least one piece of it came off, surely it would be useful for the public to know what it looks like in case they find any more?)

3) Had the kids had anything to eat or drink that morning? IIRC neither parent mentioned anything about getting breakfast for them, so either they hadn't had anything (which would probably reduce how far they'd be able to walk), or they got it themselves (which raises questions about whether they were used to being left to their own devices in the morning).

4) What was the kids' relationship with each other like? E.g. did they generally get on? Was Lilly protective of Jack? Was Jack the kind of younger sibling who'd always follow his big sister if she wandered off somewhere?

5) Maybe this wouldn't have produced anything relevant, but I'm a little surprised none of the journalists who've interviewed DM have (AFAIK) asked him much about what the day before was like, particularly why they decided to keep both kids home on the Friday when they were well enough to go shopping the day before (sidenote - maybe I'm way off-base here, but I can't help wondering if the trip to New Glasgow was done deliberately to ensure that there were confirmed sightings of the kids on that day. That's total speculation with no evidence, though, of course)

 

[AnnieOakley123]

The only facts provided by police and MSM to the public are:

1. Jack and Lilly were seen in video footage with "family members" on the afternoon of May 1 in New Glasgow, NS.
2. Malehya made a 911 call around 10 am on May 2 to report Jack and Lilly missing.
3. RCMP have repeatedly said there is no evidence to suggest the children were abducted (and stick to that claim as of June 21 CBC News Nova Scotia short police clip).
4. The only evidence reported by the RCMP is that they found what they described as a child-sized boot print, but did not confirm it belonged to Jack or Lilly.

Everything else is hearsay -- and hearsay springs from intention to paint a particular picture.

MOO: I do not believe the children were ever in the woods. The only plausible theory (in my mind) is that they were handed off to someone known to either Malehya or Daniel, and were taken away by car. It is impossible to think trained police dogs could not detect any scent of the children if they had wandered anywhere on foot. As for whether they are alive or not, I hope the RCMP is closing in on finding the answer.

I still only consider there to be four factual statements in this case. Anything said by Danial and/or Malehya is not evidence. It is hearsay. Someone knows something. But who is that someone?

 

[FansBlowing]

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