CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #5

[AddyFinch]

I wonder if children had a babysitter, who might have played with children in bush or knew where their favourite spots were? The Grandmother stated she asked mother where their favourite spots were, and she said to the little side area. From goggle earth photo there is a side area beside driveway near road, or in 3rd hyperlink in this CBC article CBC Posted: May 16, 2025 5:44 PM | Last Updated: May 16 the little area near the parked cars. Or maybe that little creek back there with what looks like a wood plank bridge? That creek must lead to a body of water or maybe a water source?

 

[Ontario Mom]

"Multiple searches by police, search and rescue crews, and public volunteers have turned up no sign of the young children’s whereabouts as the case hits the two-month mark. Asked on Wednesday to provide an update on the case, Nova Scotia RCMP referred Global News to their latest news release, issued June 11, that said the investigation continues and “may take longer than we all hoped.”

Case of missing N.S. kids hits 2 months with no answers. What we know | Globalnews.ca

Lilly and Jack Sullivan, aged six and four, were reported missing from their home on May 2 but multiple searches for them have turned up no evidence of their whereabouts.

globalnews.ca

 

[su5ie]

I think Gairloch Rd is Hwy 289. No cameras found on internet in vicinity.

Thank you I wasn't sure of number .

 

[TwoBlueJays]

Canadian news has much less of a theatrical element than the US news, so showing a video like that, which only purpose would be for sensational content, would not pass the journalistic standards test.

https://cbc.radio-canada.ca/en/vision/governance/journalistic-standards-and-practices

While I agree on the theatricality, I do think sharing the video, even edited to preserve privacy, could jog someone's memory of that day and time.
Moo

 

[AddyFinch]

While not wanting to "regurgitate" old info, I wonder since RCMP say they are entertaining all avenues of possibilities ( abduction was r/o, now I guess its' not), have they used their system to check with other provinces regarding recent attempted child abductions? New Brunswick from this RCMP news RCMP NEWS page isn't far, two persons in car, which could assist with taking two children more easily. Dates were only 1.5 weeks apart. And then there are the ones in Nova Scotia. Could they all be related?

 

[su5ie]

At this stage of an investigation and with the children still not found would RCMP release information through a brief press conference to say if they suspected abduction or homicide

I was wondering, As it's alleged that they are known to remain tight lipped , would they update the public on whether or not it was still considered a missing person case even if they held information to the contrary that indicates it was a homicide or abduction .

Would they allow the public to still believe it was a wandering and nothing more I understand its not in their modus operandi to give a blow by blow account and engage in theatrics with the media and I concede that often these types of cases can descend into a soap opera type scenario which can be unkind to the families but what is the usual avenue taken if the investigation changes direction. Secrecy? Or openness?

 

[AddyFinch]

As far as I know, LE, whether provincial, local, regional, or federal, will provide a news conference if there is anything to say to the public. RCMP are no more tight lipped than other police depts in Canada. If there is nothing really to say, it would be short and sweet, more of a vague summary vs anything with great detail. Unless of course there was a need to alert the public for safety reason, they might provide greater detail. And yes, they can release a video if not detrimental to the case. But of course all is up to them, and they are not obliged to do so. At times the demands of the “louder” voices assist their decision making.
I am surprised that the last release was June 11th, and it really said nothing everyone didnt already know, which makes me thinks they have zero, or they are choosing not to share. The fact they haven’t laid charges speaks more to me.
We’re at a disadvantage of not being able to feel /see the community buzz, maybe the community interest has waned? And summer holidays are here, LE may be more busy than usual, and at a decreased compliment of officers due to their own vacation schedules.

 

[AddyFinch]

Dbl post Dbm

 

[MistyWaters]

At this stage of an investigation and with the children still not found would RCMP release information through a brief press conference to say if they suspected abduction or homicide

I was wondering, As it's alleged that they are known to remain tight lipped , would they update the public on whether or not it was still considered a missing person case even if they held information to the contrary that indicates it was a homicide or abduction .

Would they allow the public to still believe it was a wandering and nothing more I understand its not in their modus operandi to give a blow by blow account and engage in theatrics with the media and I concede that often these types of cases can descend into a soap opera type scenario which can be unkind to the families but what is the usual avenue taken if the investigation changes direction. Secrecy? Or openness?

I don’t think they’re going to announce any one theory without facts to support it. But there’s other possibilities aside from abduction or homicide such as an intentional coverup of accidental deaths or voluntary handoff of children.

If they’re leaning towards a situation with somebody in possession of the children I would imagine they’d want to avoid tips of sightings from all over the world of unidentified families accompanied by two children who sort of resemble Lilly and Jack. The RCMP have the option of investigating from the inside out and they did say it will take time so my opinion only, the next major announcement by the RCMP will be an arrest or the children being found alive if not deceased.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

As far as I know, LE, whether provincial, local, regional, or federal, will provide a news conference if there is anything to say to the public. RCMP are no more tight lipped than other police depts in Canada. If there is nothing really to say, it would be short and sweet, more of a vague summary vs anything with great detail. Unless of course there was a need to alert the public for safety reason, they might provide greater detail. And yes, they can release a video if not detrimental to the case. But of course all is up to them, and they are not obliged to do so. At times the demands of the “louder” voices assist their decision making.
I am surprised that the last release was June 11th, and it really said nothing everyone didnt already know, which makes me thinks they have zero, or they are choosing not to share. The fact they haven’t laid charges speaks more to me.
We’re at a disadvantage of not being able to feel /see the community buzz, maybe the community interest has waned? And summer holidays are here, LE may be more busy than usual, and at a decreased compliment of officers due to their own vacation schedules.

I’ve noticed people in small communities often resent the negative attention thrust upon them by a media event, the judgement that often comes with it, plus the added annoyance of strangers snooping around. I can’t blame them.

I once experienced a situation much the same and whenever a media truck was spotted driving into town there wasn’t a single person out on the street, everyone went inside. That is why IMO everyone’s lips are sealed. Their loyalty is guarding the privacy of their community from within. They have no interest in creating a feeding-frenzy to satisfy the curiosity of distant strangers.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

I suppose in missing children cases I feel the no news is bad news , it's like I can forsee it becoming a cold case and while I more than understand and am emphatic to families whom expierence these type of tragedies and communities whom have to witness and feel the shroud of sadness and powerlessness that has descended upon them . I certainly am not owed an update by a grieving family but

From the perspective of a sluether it would be useful to have more info to try work out what happened. everything and everyone involved is gone very quiet and while I'm sure all the departments are working diligently behind the scenes . Sometimes the silence is not a good sign of a case being any closer to being solved .

If the kids have just wandered into the woods and succumbed to hunger ,thirst and the elements, what are the chances of them ever being found unless LE are willing to bring the cadaver dogs in and even if they do ,where do they start and how big of an area do they search .

Two months in , I'm still of the opinion the parents did not harm them . I feel with both allegedly having no contact and having broken up so soon ,one of them would have cracked . If it was some sort of misguided loyalty out of precieved love from the other that each was willing to cover for the other , imo that ship has long since sailed .

One thing I would like to have seen is a report into who else was present on the property that morning . And if Daniels bio children lived with him full time were they there that morning or did he just have shared custody and sees them at weekends . I find it unusual too that their mum stayed so silent and Daniels mum didn't give an interview. Just a morbid curiosity Then again probably me just being intrusive and nosey

 

[AddyFinch]

. I find it unusual too that their mum stayed so silent and Daniels mum didn't give an interview. Just a morbid curiosity Then again probably me just being intrusive and nosey

No not nosey! ….. a good sleuther produces all avenues of thinking. They don’t take comments personal, and they sleuth with logic, stats, and info. Only entering the emotional aspect as a final touch of possibilities. If a sleuther gets hung up with one portion only, then sleuthing case can’t move forward. Ie. that’s what I think about the back pack..if child took it with her everywhere every day, then it simply means she took her back pack knowing she was going somewhere, out to play, out to store, out fishing. It’s inconsequential to case. But if it’s kept on a high hook, and she normally can’t reach it and it’s gone, then someone handed it to her. All in the info.
I’m sure LE must have interviewed other dwellers on property, and hopefully searched their properties also. It’s amazing how tight lipped his family have been, but maybe they are estranged with DM little family. It’s human nature to talk, and often cathartic for healing post trauma. I wonder if they’ve been offered the Provincial victims of crime services. In Ontario it is VCARS

 

[su5ie]

No not nosey! ….. a good sleuther produces all avenues of thinking. They don’t take comments personal, and they sleuth with logic, stats, and info. Only entering the emotional aspect as a final touch of possibilities. If a sleuther gets hung up with one portion only, then sleuthing case can’t move forward. Ie. that’s what I think about the back pack..if child took it with her everywhere every day, then it simply means she took her back pack knowing she was going somewhere, out to play, out to store, out fishing. It’s inconsequential to case. But if it’s kept on a high hook, and she normally can’t reach it and it’s gone, then someone handed it to her. All in the info.
I’m sure LE must have interviewed other dwellers on property, and hopefully searched their properties also. It’s amazing how tight lipped his family have been, but maybe they are estranged with DM little family. It’s human nature to talk, and often cathartic for healing post trauma. I wonder if they’ve been offered the Provincial victims of crime services. In Ontario it is VCARS

Good thinking on the backpack

Part of me thinks lilly wanted to go to school or maybe was unaware she was being kept home and headed out to school bus and jack followed her .

Certain points could make this scenario obsolete like if they were always accompanied to the bus by an adult or they were told the evening before that they would not be in school . I wonder if lilly asked DM that morning what time it was at any stage going in and out of the room .

I have grandchildren of lilly and Jack's age and I'm trying to think why a child would venture out so far as to get lost . Scenarios I can think of is trying to see a friend to play , being promised a nearby excursion and being too excited to wait for the adults , following an animal , collecting nature bits getting distracted and lost k, going to the playground without telling if they were grounded or told because sick they had to stay in . boredom and doing any of the above . Seeing something the day before and wanting to go see if they could spot it again .

Children of that age don't really have the confidence to go on a long hike far from the safety of home or a parent . It would not be like an older child or teen that gets up to all sorts exploring Lots of kids will get lost in a crowded place like a shopping mall as they are easily distracted but in general out in the open they tend to stay within view of whatever they deem as safety .

I wouldn't rule out them being within a half of kilometre from the home . Humans aren't static pieces so the kids could well have been missed by searchers in a specific search area
or not in it at all but once searchers moved on the kids returned to it . Almost encircling each other but never meeting . Because in fairness the search got underway quickly.

They also could have hid after hearing the shouting and commotion and being too frightened to reveal themselves succumbed to the elements . But would hunger not make them come out if they could see people searching

 

[AddyFinch]

School possiblities?? walked to driveway with plans to go to school and stranger abduction
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and abducted by bus driver (assuming LE interviewed him)
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and occurrence of fail to remain accident, bodies thrown or removed. If thrown, would bodies land to the right or over back of car, if truck then might not have been thrown.
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and kept on walking, eventually turned into bush, missing, hit or abducted.

Assuming they exited to the right going down the driveway without crossing the highway to other side, driver or bus would be driving westbound to pick them up, without having to call them to cross road, draw attention to himself etc.

Assuming they exited to the right going down the driveway without crossing, they would also walk westbound. Potential diversion from westbound would be train tracks going right or dirt road beside tracks to the right. Which both lead to the pipeline area.

Who would be out driving on that road at that hour on a Friday and qualify as a stranger abduction or hit and run? Business employees, shift workers, dump truck workers, tourists, farmers, predators?? Could be anyone.
If all the ditches were scoured then bodies were removed, therefore it would make sense to take. fine tooth comb over that asphalt from driveway until dirt road, unless children were struck on dirt road.

 

[AddyFinch]

I’ve noticed people in small communities often resent the negative attention thrust upon them by a media event, the judgement that often comes with it, plus the added annoyance of strangers snooping around. I can’t blame them.

I once experienced a situation much the same and whenever a media truck was spotted driving into town there wasn’t a single person out on the street, everyone went inside. That is why IMO everyone’s lips are sealed. Their loyalty is guarding the privacy of their community from within. They have no interest in creating a feeding-frenzy to satisfy the curiosity of distant strangers.
JMO

Its similar to circling the wagons.

 

[MistyWaters]

Its similar to circling the wagons.

Yes especially when connected by intermarriages they’re highly unlikely to air their laundry with the outside world. And even if they did, there’s no way to know what’s true or not.

I prefer following cases where rumour and scandal are kept away even though that’s often what attracts more followers.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

School possiblities?? walked to driveway with plans to go to school and stranger abduction
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and abducted by bus driver (assuming LE interviewed him)
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and occurrence of fail to remain accident, bodies thrown or removed. If thrown, would bodies land to the right or over back of car, if truck then might not have been thrown.
walked to driveway with plans to go to school and kept on walking, eventually turned into bush, missing, hit or abducted.

Assuming they exited to the right going down the driveway without crossing the highway to other side, driver or bus would be driving westbound to pick them up, without having to call them to cross road, draw attention to himself etc.

Assuming they exited to the right going down the driveway without crossing, they would also walk westbound. Potential diversion from westbound would be train tracks going right or dirt road beside tracks to the right. Which both lead to the pipeline area.

Who would be out driving on that road at that hour on a Friday and qualify as a stranger abduction or hit and run? Business employees, shift workers, dump truck workers, tourists, farmers, predators?? Could be anyone.
If all the ditches were scoured then bodies were removed, therefore it would make sense to take. fine tooth comb over that asphalt from driveway until dirt road, unless children were struck on dirt road.

That the children might’ve thought they were going to school was one of my early theories but I’ve been thinking that. It’s indeed possible they thought it was a school day so instead they ran off into the woods to hide to avoid getting sent to school. Hearing their names being called, the deeper into the woods they ran or the better they hid.

The reason behind this is MBM said both were “possibly autistic” and she stated they were behind other children so I think it’s more likely they did not enjoy going to school and sending them off became a daily battle of tears and “no I don’t want to go”. Fake coughing and high volume of absences due to fabricated illnesses can be an indication of children who hate going to school who have worn down their parents.
JMO

 

[AddyFinch]

they did not enjoy going to school and sending them off became a daily battle of tears and “no I don’t want to go”. Fake coughing and high volume of absences due to fabricated illnesses can be an indication of children who hate going to school who have worn down their parents.
JMO

I knew a few like that or maybe they were frightened by threats of punishment if they didn't go to school. The teachers might lend some insight into that. Kids talk of all sorts of things, often to the "wrong" people, and the experts would be able to relay any noticed fear in the kids regarding attending or accomplishing things. Doubtful LE interviewed classmates, can't imagine the legal ramifications to enable that...yikes!

 

[AddyFinch]

HAPPY JULY 4TH to all our American friends

 

[MistyWaters]

I knew a few like that or maybe they were frightened by threats of punishment if they didn't go to school. The teachers might lend some insight into that. Kids talk of all sorts of things, often to the "wrong" people, and the experts would be able to relay any noticed fear in the kids regarding attending or accomplishing things. Doubtful LE interviewed classmates, can't imagine the legal ramifications to enable that...yikes!

I’m sure the teachers were interviewed and perhaps their school records subpoenaed. But MBM nor DM mentioned anything about school in general other than they were falling behind. In my experience children who are falling behind for whatever reason usually are not the type of keeners who eagerly attend school each day. You’re right, often parents threaten children with punishment….”if you don’t get up and go to school, then you can’t have/do/I’ll take away (whatever)”.

I’ve no idea how time-outs are handled in school these days but between Jack throwing his boots at the bus driver to get his attention and Lilly’s dramatic squealing, I’d be very surprised if that sort of behaviour would be tolerated in a classroom. If it had become a common practise, often going to school can becomes extremely frustrating for children when they discover not anything goes.
JMO