CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[seracherofthetruth1973]

I’m also a #2 - homicide direct or indirect

number 2

 

[su5ie]

I have wondered this too. I also wonder if there has been any other mention of possible autism - from teachers or other school personnel, people with the training and experience to know. When MBM described them as “undiagnosed autistic” it seems to have become a forgone conclusion. We don’t even know if it’s true. IMO.

Without assessment it would be a vague judgement. By vague I mean most mothers of autistic children can ' tell " but it could be adhd, add ,dyspraxia or autism or a combination of any of those .

With my child I knew there was something different but it was first flagged that there was a disability present by the public health nurse at age 2 and from there it was years before diagnosis and I only suspected it was autism at age 8

 

[whiterhino]

Sorry I'm not being provocative, I thought clandestine meant secretive with an illegal undertone . My meaning in including the word was an alleged/ speculated handover might have been done secretively and with the illegal part meaning reporting the children as missing when one knows they are not . In the nicest possible way I'm asking how can it be harmful terminology. Can you please explain to me as its the first time I've used the word in relation to missing children thank you

Just for context I used the word in relation to Band members NOT engaging in clandestine handovers

Not at all! I didn't intend to single out what you were saying or make you feel badly. I understand what you are saying and yes, what you said makes sense.

(note that I haven't caught up on new posts yet)

I was coming from a place of "if the family chose to move their children onto tribal land without anyones knowledge or consent/permission" from my understanding, this can be done as long as the family are band members (by blood etc). Without it being clandestine.

However as you said, it would be the missing persons report after the fact. That would IMO make it clandestine if the children were in fact moved and the MP claim was not in fact legitimate.

Apologies, I misunderstood.

Excellent catch btw! For me the language of these laws can be confusing.

 

[su5ie]

No we don’t but MBM did mention they were behind other children in school. So it appears there was cause for concern and a situation that required attention but the children had not been taken to be officially diagnosed by medical experts. Why that would be could be perceived as a lack of parental concern for the well-being of the child,

I would think an official diagnosis is required before a school is granted funding to hire additional aids to support a child’s learning journey. Prior to that teachers usually don't have time to devote a lot of personal attention to students with special needs which can cause disruptions in the classroom.
JMO

You are correct, without a diagnosis schools will offer learning support called resourse hours in ireland. This consists of a child being brought out of classroom for one on one or a small group for focused learning of maths and English. In general it might be 2 hours per week .

The difference with a diagnosis is more learning support hours , child assigned one on one special needs assistant for whole of school day and possibly a tailored education in an asd classroom or school . And outside supports both financial and therapeutic so access to physio , occupational therapy, psychology and speech and language.

If you are not accessing those supports when offered you can be reported to tulsa ( cps)

 

[TMich6811]

Using shoes, clothes or anything else is common with those who have ASD or developmental delay or similar. Either because of sensory needs or lack of skill to regulate. This alone would in no way shape or form would make me think abuse or imitating behavior

 

[su5ie]

There are lots of reasons for children to be behind their peers in school, not just autism. Like maturity, and socialization.
I also wonder, how far behind could a 4 year old be, in preschool? Was he failing to color inside the lines? Learning his alphabet too slow?
I also wonder at both children receiving the same label of autism. Yes, there can be a genetic aspect to autism. As a parent, when my kids were small, I would not have quickly jumped to a blanket label for any challenges they may have had in school. So I would like if there was some corroboration from a teacher, even to say, yes, there may have been traits of autism exhibited that needed exploring.
IMO

Girls and boys present very differently too .

By 4 years of age it is possible to notice differences in development. It would not be based of off not catching up with the alphabet although it can be one of the flags if others are already present.

What that difference looks like is . The 4 year old with developmental delays will often walk with a gait similar to a toddler as there had possibly been a delay in walking , get easily distracted and upset by noise and smells or even touch , they may not have the vocabulary of your average 4 year old . May or May not be toliet trained or comfortable using a toliet that is not their own . There will be meltdowns which are not the same as tantrums. They may find it difficult to sit through a lesson . ( most 4 year olds have a period of adjustment to this rule but by 2/3 months they should have established a routine ) , some may have behaviors that can appear to be boldness./ naughtiness. Hand / eye coordination is not on par with their average peers . They may not hold eye contact or find it difficult to interact with other kids . Speech may be delayed or they may only repeat words over and over .

They are generally not the type of child who would talk to anyone and while they are very trusting in a way that displays an ignorance of societal politeness norms and manners and the art of conversation. They won't just go off with anyone either imo .

 

[su5ie]

The bus driver said Jack was able to take his shoe off and throw it if he needed attention. I wonder where he learned that from?

It is easier to take off a shoe than to coordinate putting it on .

I would imagine jack had a speech and language delay and he learned this behaviour got him noticed and didn't require him to verbalise what he needed .

Some autistic children have selective mutism. They can talk but refuse to . Very frustrating

 

[su5ie]

It's far more work IMHO to keep 2 young kids at home then it is to send them to school.

For me and you it is , but I'm assuming we don't lie in bed leaving a 4 and 6 year old unsupervised in a remote location with an unlocked door

 

[su5ie]

MOO:
If one or both parents are innocent, there still could have been lies to cover neglectful behavior so they don’t look like bad parents. Like, maybe they didn’t actually hear them in the morning and that’s why their stories were different from each other. ?

Yes I did think , were they taken during the night this is exactly the reason why I would like to know if the sliding door was always left unlocked and why MBM screamed abduction.

I obviously know mbm and dm have not been named as poi and therefore fore, we can't blame them but what if either parent had a friend who has previous history of sexual crimes etc .

 

[whiterhino]

For me and you it is , but I'm assuming we don't lie in bed leaving a 4 and 6 year old unsupervised in a remote location with an unlocked door

They also have a child under 2. At least for mom I assume not simply lazing in bed but occupied with the baby. FWIW.

 

[Ontario Mom]

MOO:
If one or both parents are innocent, there still could have been lies to cover neglectful behavior so they don’t look like bad parents. Like, maybe they didn’t actually hear them in the morning and that’s why their stories were different from each other. ?

As far as what's been reported in MSM, their stories are basically the same.
They both claim they woke up and didn't hear the kids, and made that same comment "do you hear the kids?" to each other.

 

[Slebby]

They also have a child under 2. At least for mom I assume not simply lazing in bed but occupied with the baby. FWIW.

By their own interviews, the adults were sleeping. So Meadow wasn’t too demanding, it would seem.
IMO

 

[su5ie]

What is it that makes the majority feel it was homicide direct or indirect ?

I will go first . My scenario is based of the fact it is rare for two children to be killed by a parent together at the same time and even rarer for two siblings to be abducted by a stranger.

DM mentioned a hatch in the trailer that was searched with flashlights by RCMP. ( he said it in one of the articles previously linked in thread #5 )

My speculated hypothesis is both children entered this space either involuntary when told to be quiet and they wouldn't so were put their as punishment or voluntary so they couldn't be heard playing by irate parents trying to sleep and suffocated. This would leave no evidence as such .

The assumed 2 hour gap between searching and calling RCMP. Was to buy time for DM to hide the two and the out "searching " was to explain his absence or if he was seen on cctv out on the atv or another vehicle during that time . The boot prints at the end of driveway can be easily explained as being from the previous evening . The pipeline boot print has not been confirmed as belonging to either jack or lilly .

 

[su5ie]

By their own interviews, the adults were sleeping. So Meadow wasn’t too demanding, it would seem.
IMO

Early on in interviews Daniel is quoted as saying they liked meadow to sleep as much as they can get her to , bit of a Freudian slip prehaps

 

[Snoop Sister]

#2 have been at 2 for quite sometime. Since day 3, I have been suspicious.

 

[su5ie]

#2 have been at 2 for quite sometime. Since day 3, I have been suspicious.

Yes me too , I've had doubts since day 2/ 3 when MBM left and changed fb status to single . It was this action that created my suspicion. I'm trying to find a similar case where this has happened but the parents were innocent , I cannot find any yet .

 

[TMich6811]

#2 have been at 2 for quite sometime. Since day 3, I have been suspicious.

Yep

 

[missourimom2]

By their own interviews, the adults were sleeping. So Meadow wasn’t too demanding, it would seem.
IMO

Some babies wake several times through out the night. Mine did.

 

[ApartoftheNarrative]

The bus driver said Jack was able to take his shoe off and throw it if he needed attention. I wonder where he learned that from?

That is interesting. Kids usually (in my experience) mimic behaviors like that from other kids or adults at that age. I’m not as well-versed in kids over three as I am in the younger crowd however, that behavior is pretty universal from what I do know. Hopefully it wasn’t learned from an adult…
Please note I have not caught up since my last post so I apologize if I am late or behind on information.

 

[MistyWaters]

What is it that makes the majority feel it was homicide direct or indirect ?

I will go first . My scenario is based of the fact it is rare for two children to be killed by a parent together at the same time and even rarer for two siblings to be abducted by a stranger.

DM mentioned a hatch in the trailer that was searched with flashlights by RCMP. ( he said it in one of the articles previously linked in thread #5 )

My speculated hypothesis is both children entered this space either involuntary when told to be quiet and they wouldn't so were put their as punishment or voluntary so they couldn't be heard playing by irate parents trying to sleep and suffocated. This would leave no evidence as such .

The assumed 2 hour gap between searching and calling RCMP. Was to buy time for DM to hide the two and the out "searching " was to explain his absence or if he was seen on cctv out on the atv or another vehicle during that time . The boot prints at the end of driveway can be easily explained as being from the previous evening . The pipeline boot print has not been confirmed as belonging to either jack or lilly .

Hmmm, not to doubt your theory of accidental death but for the life of me I don’t now what ‘hatch’ is in or around a mobile home that would be airtight. I had the misfortune of living in one for several years in my early years. When DM made that comment about LE searching with a flashlight (I thought he mentioned them sending a drone underneath as well) I understood he was referring to the area beneath the mobile home. A mobile home sits about a meter or so above ground and typically skirting is installed to cover that parameter, made from pieces of plywood not only for aesthetics but to prevent the water and sewer pipes under the floor of the home from freezing in the winter. It also helps to prevent critters from entering the home from openings in and around the pipes. But air still circulates underneath, it’s never airtight especially considering given the photos of this one which indicate many pieces of skirting to be missing.
JMO