CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[TMich6811]

Then why do you dispute behaviours associated to autism could result in a call from the school to Child Welfare. According to the bus driver Jack would throw his shoes at him to get his attention and Lilly had a habit of squealing and screaming. Behaviour such as that on a regular basis would certainly be disruptive to other children’s learning in the classroom, especially as teachers’ options to deal with it are extremely limited.
JMO

Because ASD behaviors on their own don’t result in a call to CPS. Parental neglect related to medical/education needs of the child do. I noted that in the 2nd point I made.

 

[TMich6811]

https://www.ednet.ns.ca/docs/schoolcalendar-2024-25-en.pdf

So school is September to June. Using CPS for educational neglect for behavior related to ASD in May is very delayed. We would typically see this spike approximately 60 days into the school year when there have been behaviors to support educational needs and time for refusal from parents. Not typically 8 months into the school year.

 

[su5ie]

So school is September to June. Using CPS for educational neglect for behavior related to ASD in May is very delayed. We would typically see this spike approximately 60 days into the school year when there have been behaviors to support educational needs and time for refusal from parents. Not typically 8 months into the school year.

Prehaps and its only speculation it was a last resort as up until that point the school was trying to engage with their mother , Malehya.

 

[MistyWaters]

So school is September to June. Using CPS for educational neglect for behavior related to ASD in May is very delayed. We would typically see this spike approximately 60 days into the school year when there have been behaviors to support educational needs and time for refusal from parents. Not typically 8 months into the school year.

Yes however we don’t know if MBM outrightly refused to address behavioral issues or was she the type to agree and commit but then never follow through. If so it may be the case they gave her chance after chance and only called Child Welfare eventually as a last resort.

In remote areas anywhere in rural Canada and particularly Nova Scotia, I would expect relationships between the school and parents of the children to be far more personalized than would be typical in larger centres, where people are doing their jobs but everyone is strangers to one another.
JMO

 

[TMich6811]

Yes however we don’t know if MBM outrightly refused to address behavioral issues or was she the type to agree and commit but then never follow through. If so it may be the case they gave her chance after chance and only called Child Welfare eventually as a last resort.

In remote areas anywhere in rural Canada and particularly Nova Scotia, I would expect relationships between the school and parents of the children to be far more personalized than would be typical in larger centres, where people are doing their jobs but everyone is strangers to one another.
JMO

Both are neglectful.

 

[su5ie]

Yes however we don’t know if MBM outrightly refused to address behavioral issues or was she the type to agree and commit but then never follow through. If so it may be the case they gave her chance after chance and only called Child Welfare eventually as a last resort.

In remote areas anywhere in rural Canada and particularly Nova Scotia, I would expect relationships between the school and parents of the children to be far more personalized than would be typical in larger centres, where people are doing their jobs but everyone is strangers to one another.
JMO

I wonder is this avoidance behaviour we see with Malehya a typical pattern with her to stressful situations. A flight response . Prehaps she reacts to any kind of need to engage with authority as a precieved threat ???

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder is this avoidance behaviour we see with Malehya a typical pattern with her to stressful situations. A flight response . Prehaps she reacts to any kind of need to engage with authority as a precieved threat ???

That's what I've been wondering.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

Both are neglectful.

Agreed!

 

[su5ie]

https://fncaringsociety.com/sites/default/files/jordans_principle_resource_guide_2021_final.pdf

Interesting read and eye opening

 

[Inthedetails]

https://fncaringsociety.com/sites/default/files/jordans_principle_resource_guide_2021_final.pdf

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Interesting read and eye opening

Yes, that's what I've been thinking. Her reaction, PERHAPS, was to remove the children from a situation she didn't agree with culturally. Not because of conspiracy or even fear, but just "we're going to do that" in terms of what a diagnosis might entail.

SPECULATION ONLY. I don't know what happened, of course. I could be way off, I know that.

jmopinion

 

[Sillybilly]

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[AddyFinch]

I had a look at the school, which only goes to grade 6, usually it’s grade 8, but they might be bulging at the seams. They have a large compliment of educational assistants (7) and specialists (14) including a staff psychologist (1).which includes a speech pathologist, school counselor, child youth practitioner, an early literacy teacher and two educational support teachers. There was nothing to indicate. Full or part time or what each designation means. Plus the usual, French, math, PE, music.I’m guessing quite a few of them would be working with L&J’s specific teacher
Well we may not solve ay missing children but I’ve learned a ton. This must be an important part of the school in Nova Scotia. I had to goggle and I bet this person is integral to the L&J and families Child Youth Counselor

 

[su5ie]

I was looking for a few news stories on jack and lilly and came across an older one previously linked stating that the major crimes unit are investigating the case under the missing persons act , so I decided to look it up to familiarise myself with it . Thought I would post it for anyone else that may be curious or unfamiliar

https://nslegislature.ca/sites/default/files/legc/PDFs/annual%20statutes/2012%20Fall/c047.pdf

 

[LadyL]

dbm looking for a source

 

[MistyWaters]

dbm looking for a source

Thanks, I read your question before you edited it out. I was also looking for a source because iirc the result of the allegations that DM was responsible for the disappearance the day after was his mom ordered MBM’s family to leave, but not specifically MBM.

 

[Inthedetails]

Yes, that's what I've been thinking. Her reaction, PERHAPS, was to remove the children from a situation she didn't agree with culturally. Not because of conspiracy or even fear, but just "we're going to do that" in terms of what a diagnosis might entail.

SPECULATION ONLY. I don't know what happened, of course. I could be way off, I know that.

jmopinion

I meant, "we're not going to do that" with "not" being the important word. Too late to edit my post.

But, anyway, I don't know what happened or why. I hope for answers, though.

jmo

 

[LadyL]

Thanks, I read your question before you edited it out. I was also looking for a source because iirc the result of the allegations that DM was responsible for the disappearance the day after was his mom ordered MBM’s family to leave, but not specifically MBM.

yeah you're right, I can only find DM referring to a 'family argument'

 

[su5ie]

Thanks, I read your question before you edited it out. I was also looking for a source because iirc the result of the allegations that DM was responsible for the disappearance the day after was his mom ordered MBM’s family to leave, but not specifically MBM.

This allegation of DM responsible is something I can only comprehend as an accusation of indirect responsibility. As the msm articles state he was the one looking , calling etc . He was also in the bedroom with Malehya and Meadow and according to both of their statements they allegedly turned to each other to say " do you / can you / i dont hear the kids and DM leaps into action .

Janie's timeline of hearing the children about 9am and then subsequently hearing DM calling/ shouting for the children and seeing Malehya narrows the window of the disappearance to about 20/ 30 mins . Now this is where the conundrum occurs for me and I suppose with how much weight LE afford to the statement. Do you believe a mother who may be wanting to deflect blame from her son ? Would we do the same , would we believe our adult children whole heartily?

I have no reason to disbelieve janie ( or Daniel.) But the question I ask is what has she got to gain and what has she got to lose ? And the answer to both is her son . So I assume LE would ask the same when evaluating the timeline .

I'm speculating that LE are regarding the independently verified sighting on May the 1st as the only beyond reasonable doubt witness (cctv) that the kids were alive and well then . LE are reviewing the footage they appealed for so they can piece together what happened after and possibly narrow the timeline with proof that can't be picked apart in a court of law or a coroners court should it transpire that the kids are found dead and it is too late to determine cause of death like the Casey Anthony one

Just my opinion and speculating.

 

[FansBlowing]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/9.6837619

This is from the same interview with JM but it’s a little bit different.

At about 1:20 in this video, there is a child's fort right off the driveway. The stepmother raking the driveway that Thursday night and Daniel also repairing the fence.... Everyone was in the driveway, including the kids most likely. Were the children hit by a car that night? Seems like something happened in the driveway that caused the raking and repairing the fence. Hmmm

 

[su5ie]

At about 1:20 in this video, there is a child's fort right off the driveway. The stepmother raking the driveway that Thursday night and Daniel also repairing the fence.... Everyone was in the driveway, including the kids most likely. Were the children hit by a car that night? Seems like something happened in the driveway that caused the raking and repairing the fence. Hmmm

This has been my speculation before I knew about the raking and I was only aware of DM repairing a fence .

Tbh , in the first photos released of the property I can not for the life of me pin point any area of the driveway or yard that looks freshly raked . Ie no typical drag markings of freshly raked soil which remain even if it rains you can still see the pattern of soil having been turned over