CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[LadyL]

YES!!!! You saw it. She also said (paraphrasing),that "one neighbour who liked to steal land was flying drones around all the time". Who would that be? Why would she think that? Is that where the drone images on SM are coming from? I wish the journalist had expanded on this, if I remember correctly she did say something to the effect "why would you think that"? Then JM said she "puts her head down, likes to stay in the back, doesn't like the camera"

that's important to know if they have an unfriendly neighbour who also harasses them with his drone

 

[AnnieOakley123]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2. We don't know any facts from the time they were seen on video footage in New Glasgow on Thursday May 1 afternoon until they were reported missing by MBM on Friday at 10 a.m.

The JM interview struck me as performative. It would be very odd to put a pool on a gravel driveway directly beside her trailer instead of in the yard. I don't believe there was ever any intention of a pool. The dilapidated property seen on May 2 had been staged for the CBC interview. 60+ days is ample time to fix a fence, apply a little squeaky oil to a sliding door, complete a paint job, get rid of all the dirty mattresses and rusty equipment. Why were no footprints found in the yard, or around the trailer, or on the muddy paths heading into the woods or even on the driveway (except for the end of it)? Did JM rake them all away?

CPS does not do house calls for behavioural issues. That is under the jurisdiction of the education system, as well as the social worker, the school psychologist, and the teachers. In Nova Scotia, a pediatrician is responsible for writing a referral to IWK (in Halifax) for autistic testing for children under 18. CPS is only involved when there is a reported case of child abuse, harm or neglect. These typically come from the school.

The idea of two children being run over on the driveway is far-fetched IMO. Has anyone seen the devastation of a vehicular accident causing bodily harm? Forensics was on the property and in the trailers, as were police dogs. Crime scenes are extremely messy. IMO the children were not on the property Thursday night or Friday morning. LE has ruled out abduction and the woods -- the two theories presented by DM and MBM.

As per RCMP's latest news release, these are the agencies involved:

The Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit is assisted in the investigation by RCMP units in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario as well as the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

 

[Chimera]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2. We don't know any facts from the time they were seen on video footage in New Glasgow on Thursday May 1 afternoon until they were reported missing by MBM on Friday at 10 a.m.

The JM interview struck me as performative. It would be very odd to put a pool on a gravel driveway directly beside her trailer instead of in the yard. I don't believe there was ever any intention of a pool. The dilapidated property seen on May 2 had been staged for the CBC interview. 60+ days is ample time to fix a fence, apply a little squeaky oil to a sliding door, complete a paint job, get rid of all the dirty mattresses and rusty equipment. Why were no footprints found in the yard, or around the trailer, or on the muddy paths heading into the woods or even on the driveway (except for the end of it)? Did JM rake them all away?

CPS does not do house calls for behavioural issues. That is under the jurisdiction of the education system, as well as the social worker, the school psychologist, and the teachers. In Nova Scotia, a pediatrician is responsible for writing a referral to IWK (in Halifax) for autistic testing for children under 18. CPS is only involved when there is a reported case of child abuse, harm or neglect. These typically come from the school.

The idea of two children being run over on the driveway is far-fetched IMO. Has anyone seen the devastation of a vehicular accident causing bodily harm? Forensics was on the property and in the trailers, as were police dogs. Crime scenes are extremely messy. IMO the children were not on the property Thursday night or Friday morning. LE has ruled out abduction and the woods -- the two theories presented by DM and MBM.

As per RCMP's latest news release, these are the agencies involved:

The Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit is assisted in the investigation by RCMP units in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario as well as the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

Purple emphasis mine.
That's what I'm thinking.

Someone(s) knows something.
I have thought that from the beginning, also my .02 is that they will never be found unless by an accidental hunter/hiker/etc..
Sorry so negative.
Those bright little faces haunt me.
They looked healthy and well cared for.
I'm wondering if they got into something and died from it ?

It appears that the media and true crime vloggers/bloggers/sites have tried to keep this case in the spotlight, and that's all.
Imo.

 

[su5ie]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2. We don't know any facts from the time they were seen on video footage in New Glasgow on Thursday May 1 afternoon until they were reported missing by MBM on Friday at 10 a.m.

The JM interview struck me as performative. It would be very odd to put a pool on a gravel driveway directly beside her trailer instead of in the yard. I don't believe there was ever any intention of a pool. The dilapidated property seen on May 2 had been staged for the CBC interview. 60+ days is ample time to fix a fence, apply a little squeaky oil to a sliding door, complete a paint job, get rid of all the dirty mattresses and rusty equipment. Why were no footprints found in the yard, or around the trailer, or on the muddy paths heading into the woods or even on the driveway (except for the end of it)? Did JM rake them all away?

CPS does not do house calls for behavioural issues. That is under the jurisdiction of the education system, as well as the social worker, the school psychologist, and the teachers. In Nova Scotia, a pediatrician is responsible for writing a referral to IWK (in Halifax) for autistic testing for children under 18. CPS is only involved when there is a reported case of child abuse, harm or neglect. These typically come from the school.

The idea of two children being run over on the driveway is far-fetched IMO. Has anyone seen the devastation of a vehicular accident causing bodily harm? Forensics was on the property and in the trailers, as were police dogs. Crime scenes are extremely messy. IMO the children were not on the property Thursday night or Friday morning. LE has ruled out abduction and the woods -- the two theories presented by DM and MBM.

As per RCMP's latest news release, these are the agencies involved:

The Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit is assisted in the investigation by RCMP units in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario as well as the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

Totally agree with every word
Imo as an investigation starting point and without me knowing if the children were independently verified as seen .The time of disappearance is 100% 1st of May. Imo the kids did not return home from that trip .

From an utterly speculative point of view and moo , the kids were given to someone known to them and DM and MBM with the sole purpose of evading whatever the cps file contained and possibly a non belief in autism / special need assessment.

I feel if this was the scenario it wasn't thought out properly and whoever has them is out of their depth at this stage . One of the reasons why this would be alarming for me , is it can put the kids in real danger of homicide as where does a scenario like this end

 

[teeby]

I don't think it's likely that they hid the children to avoid having the stigma of autism attached to them given that the information that they might be autistic originally comes from their parents. If you thought that was an embarrassing and shameful thing you wouldn't mention it to the media like that.

 

[TMich6811]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2. We don't know any facts from the time they were seen on video footage in New Glasgow on Thursday May 1 afternoon until they were reported missing by MBM on Friday at 10 a.m.

The JM interview struck me as performative. It would be very odd to put a pool on a gravel driveway directly beside her trailer instead of in the yard. I don't believe there was ever any intention of a pool. The dilapidated property seen on May 2 had been staged for the CBC interview. 60+ days is ample time to fix a fence, apply a little squeaky oil to a sliding door, complete a paint job, get rid of all the dirty mattresses and rusty equipment. Why were no footprints found in the yard, or around the trailer, or on the muddy paths heading into the woods or even on the driveway (except for the end of it)? Did JM rake them all away?

CPS does not do house calls for behavioural issues. That is under the jurisdiction of the education system, as well as the social worker, the school psychologist, and the teachers. In Nova Scotia, a pediatrician is responsible for writing a referral to IWK (in Halifax) for autistic testing for children under 18. CPS is only involved when there is a reported case of child abuse, harm or neglect. These typically come from the school.

The idea of two children being run over on the driveway is far-fetched IMO. Has anyone seen the devastation of a vehicular accident causing bodily harm? Forensics was on the property and in the trailers, as were police dogs. Crime scenes are extremely messy. IMO the children were not on the property Thursday night or Friday morning. LE has ruled out abduction and the woods -- the two theories presented by DM and MBM.

As per RCMP's latest news release, these are the agencies involved:

The Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit is assisted in the investigation by RCMP units in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario as well as the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

All of this.

1. I still don’t understand the lack of cadaver dogs unless they are confident whatever occurred wasn’t in the area or truly confident they got into a vehicle but I don’t think the latter makes sense logistically

2. Which leads me to - what happened Thursday?

The likelihood they were handed off seems quite nonexistent to me. I don’t believe there is any logical reason we can come up with that they would have been hid, handed off or any version

Abducted from their yard doesn’t fit what was reported imo. So either reports are wrong or this is really really unlikely

I still believe something happened at some point Thursday evening/late Thursday or very early am. I don’t know that I feel it was intentionally inflicted but I do believe it resulted in death.

 

[MistyWaters]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2. We don't know any facts from the time they were seen on video footage in New Glasgow on Thursday May 1 afternoon until they were reported missing by MBM on Friday at 10 a.m.

The JM interview struck me as performative. It would be very odd to put a pool on a gravel driveway directly beside her trailer instead of in the yard. I don't believe there was ever any intention of a pool. The dilapidated property seen on May 2 had been staged for the CBC interview. 60+ days is ample time to fix a fence, apply a little squeaky oil to a sliding door, complete a paint job, get rid of all the dirty mattresses and rusty equipment. Why were no footprints found in the yard, or around the trailer, or on the muddy paths heading into the woods or even on the driveway (except for the end of it)? Did JM rake them all away?

CPS does not do house calls for behavioural issues. That is under the jurisdiction of the education system, as well as the social worker, the school psychologist, and the teachers. In Nova Scotia, a pediatrician is responsible for writing a referral to IWK (in Halifax) for autistic testing for children under 18. CPS is only involved when there is a reported case of child abuse, harm or neglect. These typically come from the school.

The idea of two children being run over on the driveway is far-fetched IMO. Has anyone seen the devastation of a vehicular accident causing bodily harm? Forensics was on the property and in the trailers, as were police dogs. Crime scenes are extremely messy. IMO the children were not on the property Thursday night or Friday morning. LE has ruled out abduction and the woods -- the two theories presented by DM and MBM.

As per RCMP's latest news release, these are the agencies involved:

The Northeast Nova RCMP Major Crime Unit is assisted in the investigation by RCMP units in Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Ontario as well as the National Centre for Missing Persons and Unidentified Remains, the Canadian Centre for Child Protection, and provincial and municipal police agencies from Nova Scotia and other parts of Canada.

Not necessarily directed to you but anyone, how has it become true that the step-gram indicated the pool was to be placed in the driveway or is the conclusion being drawn only because she talked about raking gravel which driveways are usually surfaced with and it furthers a theory of a nefarious coverup of the children being hit by a car?

This overhead photo (sorry it’s a bit blurry) reveals gravel ALL around her RV and what looks like a fence in front and across the gravel that separates her yard, perhaps because of her dog.

So please, can anyone point out the area she identified that she raked as being in the driveway or might it be somewhere in the back or side of her yard that’s not a driveway? It’s very unfair to accuse this lady of admitting to a coverup deed that never happened, we here on WS should be better than that. JMO

Zoomed photo from here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/it-s-just-really-strange-retired-dog-handler-weighs-in-on-search-for-missing-n-s-children-1.7538842

 

[su5ie]

Not necessarily directed to you but anyone, how has it become true that the step-gram indicated the pool was to be placed in the driveway or is the conclusion being drawn only because she talked about raking gravel which driveways are usually surfaced with and it furthers a theory of a nefarious coverup of the children being hit by a car?

This overhead photo (sorry it’s a bit blurry) reveals gravel ALL around her RV and what looks like a fence in front and across the gravel that separates her yard, perhaps because of her dog.

So please, can anyone point out the area she identified that she raked as being in the driveway or might it be somewhere in the back or side of her yard that’s not a driveway? It’s very unfair to accuse this lady of admitting to a coverup deed that never happened, we here on WS should be better than that. JMO

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Zoomed photo from here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/it-s-just-really-strange-retired-dog-handler-weighs-in-on-search-for-missing-n-s-children-1.7538842

All I can say is it looked from the video that the place she said she was raking was beside the Fort type play area . Which I think was just outside the green fence that divides her rv from the driveway.

I definitely don't think jm is guilty of doing anything to the kids . But prehaps protecting family from further invasion of privacy and as far as I can see she is adamant her son DM is innocent. And would appear to really want any accusations to stop regarding him . So prehaps a white lie to say she heard the kids ?

I personally think the two grandmothers have been drawn into this by the media and SM enough .if any harm came to the children it was from the two main caregivers .anyone else is just distraction in my humble opinion.

The RCMP want to establish whether the kids came home imo that is why the 5000 hours of footage is required usually family as witnesses is not as good as an independent witness with no familial connection

 

[Inthedetails]

TBH, we don't have concrete evidence that Jack and Lilly went missing on the morning of May 2.

snip

I think they likely went missing on the morning of May 2.....but the TIME of when they went missing is not concrete, imo. It might have been much earlier than what was reported to LE.

Just a thought.

jmopinion

 

[LivvyL]

There is so much we don’t know. Things the family can’t tell the public.
What triggered Daniel to start calling for the kids? I believe something else happened for them to be that scared and Mom calling police so quickly. Maybe the sounds of a car?
Something unusual must have happened that we aren’t privy to.
I truly believe both DM and his mother are telling the truth. I can’t be sure about the kids mom because it’s only one video we see. But she also appears truthful even though she sounds a bit coached on what to say and not say, probably by police.
Someone with bad intentions took or lured those kids into a vehicle that morning. Probably someone they knew, whomever that might be.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Totally agree with every word
Imo as an investigation starting point and without me knowing if the children were independently verified as seen .The time of disappearance is 100% 1st of May. Imo the kids did not return home from that trip .

From an utterly speculative point of view and moo , the kids were given to someone known to them and DM and MBM with the sole purpose of evading whatever the cps file contained and possibly a non belief in autism / special need assessment.

I feel if this was the scenario it wasn't thought out properly and whoever has them is out of their depth at this stage . One of the reasons why this would be alarming for me , is it can put the kids in real danger of homicide as where does a scenario like this end

There was a case in the UK where a little girl was hidden by a relative in the hopes that a 'ransom' would be offered which would then be split my the mother, her boyfriend and and uncle (iirc) but the whole case became SO big, with SO much media and community support that the perpetrators had to keep up the facade beyond what was originally planned. There is a really good docudrama about it! I wonder if something similar is going on here??

GUILTY Thread 'UK - Shannon Matthews, 9, Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire, Feb 2008'

Feb 21, 2008

A young girl, missing for 2 days now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7256229.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/21/nmissing221.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7255732.stm

Prayers for her safe return.

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Kidnapping of Shannon Matthews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MistyWaters]

There was a case in the UK where a little girl was hidden by a relative in the hopes that a 'ransom' would be offered an would then be split my the mother, her boyfriend and and uncle (iirc) but the whole case became SO big, with SO much media and community support that the perpetrators had to keep up the facade beyond what was originally planned. There is a documentary about it! I wonder if something similar is going on here??

GUILTY Thread 'UK - Shannon Matthews, 9, Dewsbury Moor, West Yorkshire, Feb 2008'

Feb 21, 2008

A young girl, missing for 2 days now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7256229.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/21/nmissing221.xml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/7255732.stm

Prayers for her safe return.

• XcomSquaddie
• Replies: 200
• Forum: Recently Sentenced and Beyond

• 

Kidnapping of Shannon Matthews - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Very interesting, $150k reward recently announced.

 

[cckp72]

Has the step-grandmother said the last time she had seen the kids? Did she see them, or even hear them on Thursday evening after they got home from wherever the surveillance showed?

I wish the journalist asked those questions in the interview with her, unless I missed it.

 

[Slebby]

Not necessarily directed to you but anyone, how has it become true that the step-gram indicated the pool was to be placed in the driveway or is the conclusion being drawn only because she talked about raking gravel which driveways are usually surfaced with and it furthers a theory of a nefarious coverup of the children being hit by a car?

This overhead photo (sorry it’s a bit blurry) reveals gravel ALL around her RV and what looks like a fence in front and across the gravel that separates her yard, perhaps because of her dog.

So please, can anyone point out the area she identified that she raked as being in the driveway or might it be somewhere in the back or side of her yard that’s not a driveway? It’s very unfair to accuse this lady of admitting to a coverup deed that never happened, we here on WS should be better than that. JMO

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Zoomed photo from here:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/it-s-just-really-strange-retired-dog-handler-weighs-in-on-search-for-missing-n-s-children-1.7538842

This photo is helpful. I believe, from the interview with JM, that the area she raked for a future pool was to the right and maybe a bit above the main trailer home, and below the RV she lived in. It could be easy to believe this is a driveway. However, in the photo, if you look to the right of the main trailer home, then go down the right side of the photo, there is a haze of green (pic is a bit blurry) which I believe is bushes. So cars don’t drive past the bushes. The driveway is below these bushes in the lower right side of the photo.
That’s my read of the photo.

Completely apart from the discussion of where the pool would go, I will say, with the shabby state of the property, clearing a space for a pool seems an odd priority. We all live different lives, we all have different priorities. But for folks of modest means, it seems weirdly extravagant. Hmm.

IMO

 

[su5ie]

Has the step-grandmother said the last time she had seen the kids? Did she see them, or even hear them on Thursday evening after they got home from wherever the surveillance showed?

I wish the journalist asked those questions in the interview with her, unless I missed it.

I would have liked to see some investigative journalist do the interview.

One of the questions I would have liked to hear asked was this as you have stated hearing and seeing are two totally different scenarios.

You can hear someone scream but is it a scream done in needing help or a scream similar to the screaming of kids and teenagers . Maybe that's a bad example but you get what I mean

If posters were given the opportunity to be an investigative journalist on the case what questions would you have liked to ask besides the obvious. Did you kill lilly and jack .

 

[Inthedetails]

This photo is helpful. I believe, from the interview with JM, that the area she raked for a future pool was to the right and maybe a bit above the main trailer home, and below the RV she lived in. It could be easy to believe this is a driveway. However, in the photo, if you look to the right of the main trailer home, then go down the right side of the photo, there is a haze of green (pic is a bit blurry) which I believe is bushes. So cars don’t drive past the bushes. The driveway is below these bushes in the lower right side of the photo.
That’s my read of the photo.

Completely apart from the discussion of where the pool would go, I will say, with the shabby state of the property, clearing a space for a pool seems an odd priority. We all live different lives, we all have different priorities. But for folks of modest means, it seems weirdly extravagant. Hmm.

IMO

I'm assuming the pool would be a plastic kiddie pool, which isn't extravagant. The kids are still little and would likely enjoy it....if the pool was a real plan, which I'm not sure it was. Sort of seems like a red herring, but, then again, she did seem to want to make sure the reporter knew she had been raking the ground.

jmo

 

[AddyFinch]

Thursday....???? If they returned from New Glasgow, and if they did the yard work as stated, then
-they went to bed
-they had a party
-they had a family fight
-they left the kids unattended and went out
........??? if kids did not return to trailer from New Glasgow
-they were murdered
-they were handed off
-they were forgotten somewhere
There aren't many options for possibilities without knowing if those kids returned to trailer that evening. Assuming they did, and there was a family fight what would it be about?
Money, drugs, hatred, mental health, family interference, kids???????

 

[AddyFinch]

In the early days, DM stated MBM & her family was asked to leave property by his mother. Is this the "fight" you are wondering about? He did hint that it was more of a ordering them off rather than asking, and there had been some sort of argument.
Finger pointing and frayed nerves? Fear? Long standing discourse between people? Or something else. I'll see if I can find the reference.

 

[FromGermany1]

Thursday: Patty (unknown to me) and laundry until 10pm OR raking the place for the future children's swimming pool?
I am confused .....

 

[FansBlowing]

Could they have already had a pool and the kids drowned when no one was looking? If a potential pool was in the driveway (where Janie said she was going to put a pool), then it would have been fenced off from the yard where the kids, dog, and chickens have access. That would be the safe place to put it. Daniel was working on the fence for the safety of the kids for the new pool?