CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[Serononin]

If the children were abducted, I feel it was from someone who knew them or in the community or through association. Someone who knows the area/roads/terrain, family's habits and routines. Similar to Dephi case - where if there is a perp in the Sullivan case, they are close by and in plain sight so to speak.

The children would go willingly, not feeling threatened and it would have been quick with no struggle to get them into a vehicle. Perhaps the perp knew they weren't "fully watched" all the time and used that to their advantage.

I am sure there are registered sex offenders in the area (as most areas in our cities/towns) and possible they fixated on one of the children and the other possibly collateral damage (sorry, aterrible thing to say I know)!

This is all MOO and JMO. *Edited typo

I definitely think it's a possibility, especially since their local area sounds very much like an 'everyone knows everyone' kind of place

 

[MistyWaters]

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RCMP have stated several times they didn't have any evidence of an abduction, but that doesn't mean one didn't happen. I can't imagine how long it takes to sort through 5,000 video files but once they're done with that, maybe there'll be a more detailed update?

I would really question the quality of the investigation if the RCMP hadn’t immediately prioritized reviewing the specific video files weeks ago that were taken closest to the home during the hour or so that the children went missing, rather than to sift through a big batch of several days worth many weeks later. This was a quiet rural road, it shouldn’t take months to process. And yet there was no mention of even a remote chance that an abduction took place during the last RCMP update.

While it would be nice to hold onto hope that the data yet to be scrutinized will yield answers, the worst case scenario is nothing incriminating was found. With every day that goes by I’m feeling less optimistic the RCMP are on the brink of solving this case. I’d guess the best hope for that will come from a valuable tip/lead or a confession.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

Exploring 'Lost Person Behavior' and the Science of Search and Rescue - Social Science Space

What is the best strategy for finding someone missing in the wilderness? It's complicated, but the method known as 'Lost Person Behavior' seems to offers some hope.

www.socialsciencespace.com

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-person-expert-lansdowne-station-search-1.7531338

If anyone is interested in having a read while we wait for an update . The top article is a bit about the background of the guy whom developed the app used in the search for lilly and jack .

 

[abanddb123]

It's quiet, can you guys throw out there what is happening right now?

 

[AnnieOakley123]

If anyone is interested in having a read while we wait for an update . The top article is a bit about the background of the guy whom developed the app used in the search for lilly and jack .

Thanks for reposting, Su5ie. It's a very interesting read and gives insight into some important facts: search dogs, criminality rates in missing persons cases (urban vs. rural), drones, wilderness factors. It is, however, from May 10, when the RCMP was still working off the theory the children wandered from the trailer into the woods. IMO, it's obvious the children were never in the woods.

Interesting reads on RCMP search dog rescues:

RCMP Police Dog Services and technology used to quickly locate lost woman | Royal Canadian Mounted Police

https://rcmp.ca/en/gazette/searching-people-autism

 

[Ontario Mom]

It's quiet, can you guys throw out there what is happening right now?

This is what's happening right now:

https://rcmp.ca/en/nova-scotia/news/2025/07/intensive-investigation-disappearance-lilly-and-jack-sullivan-continues

• Reviewing approximately 5,000 video files that have been obtained through a video canvass of Lansdowne Station and the surrounding areas
• Assessing more than 600 tips from the public
• Formally interviewing more than 60 people, including the administration of polygraph to some individuals
• Forensic examination of materials located through ground and air searches in Lansdowne Station, including a pink blanket that officers seized on Lansdowne Rd.
• Submitting judicial authorizations to seize and examine materials and devices that may provide information useful to the investigation

“Right now, there are more than 800 tasks associated to this investigation,” says S/Sgt. Rob McCamon, Officer in Charge (acting), Major Crime and Behavioural Sciences. “A tremendous amount of careful, deliberate investigative work is underway by people here at home and in other parts of Canada; our collective efforts will continue every day until we determine with certainty the circumstances surrounding Lilly and Jack’s disappearance.”

 

[JudiK]

Aliens. So many kids disappear with no trace...Sebastian, summer wells (long list). Gotta be aliens. (kidding) I hope this case doesn't go cold. Still holding out hope for so many.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

This is what's happening right now:

https://rcmp.ca/en/nova-scotia/news/2025/07/intensive-investigation-disappearance-lilly-and-jack-sullivan-continues

• Reviewing approximately 5,000 video files that have been obtained through a video canvass of Lansdowne Station and the surrounding areas
• Assessing more than 600 tips from the public
• Formally interviewing more than 60 people, including the administration of polygraph to some individuals
• Forensic examination of materials located through ground and air searches in Lansdowne Station, including a pink blanket that officers seized on Lansdowne Rd.
• Submitting judicial authorizations to seize and examine materials and devices that may provide information useful to the investigation

“Right now, there are more than 800 tasks associated to this investigation,” says S/Sgt. Rob McCamon, Officer in Charge (acting), Major Crime and Behavioural Sciences. “A tremendous amount of careful, deliberate investigative work is underway by people here at home and in other parts of Canada; our collective efforts will continue every day until we determine with certainty the circumstances surrounding Lilly and Jack’s disappearance.”

So if DM already handed his phone over LE supposedly, no need for judicial authorization for his phone. I can't recall, did DM mention he gave them access to his computer/devices as well if he has any? I thought I recall reading that but I might be totally way off and foggy there.

Sounds like they are getting warrants/judicial authorizations for other people's devices possibly? I'm curious whose if so!

Also, sounds like LE is focused on that particular area for access going in/access going out. I imagine they searched all over those old train tracks too.

 

[Ontario Mom]

So if DM already handed his phone over LE supposedly, no need for judicial authorization for his phone. I can't recall, did DM mention he gave them access to his computer/devices as well if he has any? I thought I recall reading that but I might be totally way off and foggy there.

Sounds like they are getting warrants/judicial authorizations for other people's devices possibly? I'm curious whose if so!

Also, sounds like LE is focused on that particular area for access going in/access going out. I imagine they searched all over those old train tracks too.

I recall him saying something to the affect of him giving them access or telling they they could have access to anything they wanted (paraphrasing). He did say phone and even bank account but gave the impression he was an open book as far as that goes.

If they did get warrants for other devices my guess would be those who were in direct or daily contact with the kids.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I recall him saying something to the affect of him giving them access or telling they they could have access to anything they wanted (paraphrasing). He did say phone and even bank account but gave the impression he was an open book as far as that goes.

If they did get warrants for other devices my guess would be those who were in direct or daily contact with the kids.

I think we have to remember that DM can say whatever he likes to the media. It absolutely does not mean that any of it is the truth. He knows LE will keep their cards close to their chest and aren't going to come out and address the fact that he's lying to the media so he continues to say whatever he pleases to the media IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I think we have to remember that DM can say whatever he likes to the media. It absolutely does not mean that any of it is the truth. He knows LE will keep their cards close to their chest and aren't going to come out and address the fact that he's lying to the media so he continues to say whatever he pleases to the media IMO

It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s withholding critical information from the media. But has he been blatantly lying to the media if his account doesn’t correlate with what police already know? That seems a sure-fire way to guarantee police suspicion so IMO he’d have nothing to gain and a lot to lose. Otherwise he could just stay silent (like Malehya).

So I have no reason to believe he’s been lying to the media. Anyway he really hasn’t revealed much of anything. If the RCMP interviewed him for four hours, I doubt if we’re privy to more than 5 or 10 minutes of collective information.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

I think we have to remember that DM can say whatever he likes to the media. It absolutely does not mean that any of it is the truth. He knows LE will keep their cards close to their chest and aren't going to come out and address the fact that he's lying to the media so he continues to say whatever he pleases to the media IMO

He has no guarantee that the police will keep what he says quiet, and I'm sure he knows that lying to the police will only bring him under suspicion. I believe he is telling the truth about what he knows happened that morning. I hope the children are found soon or suspicion will follow the parents for the rest of their lives. My guess is that they will be found in the woods because the woods surrounding their house is basically unsearchable and the children could easily have been missed.

It's much like living on an island in a lake, where if the children went missing, we would think they probably drown. Jack and Lily lived surrounded by a dense, broken up forest. It's not hard to imagine that they probably became lost in the woods and crawled under a fallen cedar.
jmo

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think we have to remember that DM can say whatever he likes to the media. It absolutely does not mean that any of it is the truth. He knows LE will keep their cards close to their chest and aren't going to come out and address the fact that he's lying to the media so he continues to say whatever he pleases to the media IMO

Of course.

And at the same time, I think it's important to consider he may be telling the truth to the media.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

He has no guarantee that the police will keep what he says quiet, and I'm sure he knows that lying to the police will only bring him under suspicion. I believe he is telling the truth about what he knows happened that morning. I hope the children are found soon or suspicion will follow the parents for the rest of their lives. My guess is that they will be found in the woods because the woods surrounding their house is basically unsearchable and the children could easily have been missed.

It's much like living on an island in a lake, where if the children went missing, we would think they probably drown. Jack and Lily lived surrounded by a dense, broken up forest. It's not hard to imagine that they probably became lost in the woods and crawled under a fallen cedar.
jmo

The thing is, if he is telling the truth, why are there so many contradictions in his story every time he tells it.

I guess only time will tell but my honest opinion is if those kids are found in the woods, they didn't wander in there themselves.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The thing is, if he is telling the truth, why are there so many contradictions in his story every time he tells it.

I guess only time will tell but my honest opinion is if those kids are found in the woods, they didn't wander in there themselves.

Can you point out which contradictions you're referring to?

 

[musicaljoke]

The thing is, if he is telling the truth, why are there so many contradictions in his story every time he tells it.

I guess only time will tell but my honest opinion is if those kids are found in the woods, they didn't wander in there themselves.

I have watched carefully and see very few contradictions. In fact, there seems to be a strong consistency in the account of what happened. Both parents have told the same account. Details might be added or left out in the retelling, but it is basically the same story.

Compare how he speaks with how some of the delinquent parents of other missing children have spoken. Some parents have stories of how they were abducted at 2:00 p.m. by a foreign person in a red car, but when questioned, it changes to they went missing in the shopping mall the previous day, and the next time uncle George was watching them but they snuck out at night ... and so on.

When you reduce the account of what happened over a two hour period into one paragraph, there will be details added or omitted in the next telling. However, if someone is recounting the truth, the basic story should remain intact.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I have watched carefully and see very few contradictions. In fact, there seems to be a strong consistency in the account of what happened. Both parents have told the same account. Details might be added or left out in the retelling, but it is basically the same story.

Compare how he speaks with how some of the delinquent parents of other missing children have spoken. Some parents have stories of how they were abducted at 2:00 p.m. by a foreign person in a red car, but when questioned, it changes to they went missing in the shopping mall the previous day, and the next time uncle George was watching them but they snuck out at night ... and so on.

When you reduce the account of what happened over a two hour period into one paragraph, there will be details added or omitted in the next telling. However, if someone is recounting the truth, the basic story should remain intact.

I haven't seen any contradictions either so I really don't know where this is coming from.
Then again, I'm only following this from RCMP's updates & MSM. I have no clue what's being claimed on social media, but if it's like most cases, most of it's gossip, rumor, innuendo, etc., and whatever else the content creators will use to build their platform.

 

[su5ie]

My guess is they will be found in the woods too .

From what I've observed not followed on SM sites over the years , Its always the same regardless of victims social status . And the pattern is drug accusations, my aunties dog told me , accusations of parents lying and laying the blame at the parents feet no matter the evidence. I'm sure there is much more . Imo all bull

"Experts' spouting this that and all the other about behaviours etc

One thing that I've seen that I never noticed before is going onto the victims private fb pages and those of their family . I never knew this existed till this thread .
Even with a bad aim
If you throw enough darts its will hit the bullseye and this is what gives the trolls credibility and they are making money on vulnerable and grieving families. It's like this sm stuff is the new age fortune teller eventually someone's reading will be true and then word spreads that they are brilliant when in reality they just got lucky

I imagine it makes LEs work harder with all the " tip offs' and supposed insider info .

I think DM is telling the truth
I will say I think MBMs actions are strange . Doesn't mean they are but to me they are . But she is probably in bits and can't face anything .

The only doubts I have that this isn't purely a wandering is major crime leading the investigation and the lack of cadaver dogs at this point . And prehaps prior cps involvement.

But I do think no matter the cause they are in the forest and were probably missed by searchers

 

[abanddb123]

He has no guarantee that the police will keep what he says quiet, and I'm sure he knows that lying to the police will only bring him under suspicion. I believe he is telling the truth about what he knows happened that morning. I hope the children are found soon or suspicion will follow the parents for the rest of their lives. My guess is that they will be found in the woods because the woods surrounding their house is basically unsearchable and the children could easily have been missed.

It's much like living on an island in a lake, where if the children went missing, we would think they probably drown. Jack and Lily lived surrounded by a dense, broken up forest. It's not hard to imagine that they probably became lost in the woods and crawled under a fallen cedar.
jmo

He could very well think he's super smarter than police and lie, u never know.

 

[Unalienable Rights]

Three months later, no new information on missing N.S. children

Three months after their disappearance, Lilly Sullivan, 6, and Jack Sullivan, 4, still haven’t been found.

www.ctvnews.ca

August 2, 2025

Saturday marks three months since Lilly Sullivan, 6, and Jack Sullivan, 4, disappeared from their home in Lansdowne Station, N.S.

RCMP says there are no new updates on the case as they declined an interview request with CTV News on Friday – and declined to answer any questions via email.

The force referred CTV News to its July 16 news release, which said about 5,000 video files were being reviewed, more than 600 public tips were being assessed and at least 60 people have been interviewed – some undergoing a polygraph test.

*****
“A police service never gives up on a case like this,” says Lewis, the former commissioner of the Ontario Provincial Police.

“It may get a little colder, with no new leads or nothing more to follow up. But over time, you take another look at it. You balance it all out in terms of the latest technology and forensics, and you get fresh eyes looking at it.

“That’s never going to end,” he says.

*****
Lewis says it could be a missed opportunity when police declined to comment on the three-month anniversary of the children’s disappearance.

“I find that rather odd that they wouldn’t put someone before the camera to at least help bring some attention to it from a public perspective,” he tells CTV News. “But then again, we don’t know what else they have going on in terms of their ability to get somebody before a camera.”