CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[Lexiintoronto]

If the sources are true and considering Child Welfare has a file on the situation why on earth aren’t both parents already charged with Child Neglect and Abuse is my question. Why would the onus be on the Globe and Mail to disclose to the public what the RCMP already know?

Child Abuse

While there is no specific offence called “child abuse” in the Criminal Code, all acts of abuse against children are crimes in Canada.

www.criminalcodehelp.ca

I think it’s because the children are missing which makes everything go slower, imo. I can imagine the bureaucrats involved trying to see who dropped the ball and two children ended up missing and likely deceased. There’s a lot of blame to go around.

I now think that child neglect and abuse will be lesser charges. I always thought negligence was at the heart of this, but now I think it’s at least criminal negligence causing death. Daniel saying that two of his sweaters are missing made my heart sink and wonder if they’re found, that’s what they’ll be wearing.

And they go missing after Lilly suffers a black eye?! I noticed that Daniel and his mother said nothing about that in their interviews. No, ‘we were icing her poor face and having her relax’.

All my opinion.

 

[seasideForest]

But filing income tax is not a cumbersome requirement in Canada and it’s certainly worth a $1900 monthly benefit if poverty is otherwise on the line.

Anything like that can be a cumbersome requirement for some people. Including myself - my papers are chaos. Even if that's all online / in the Cloud (unlike my case), it can be hard to get round to it etc etc if you are a chaotic person. The G&M article certainly gives that kind of impression of DM and MBM. Or if somebody has depression for instance it can be really hard to get on with this type of task, even if the consequence is benefit cut-off.

MOO and somewhat IME too.

 

[TMich6811]

If the sources are true and considering Child Welfare has a file on the situation why on earth aren’t both parents already charged with Child Neglect and Abuse is my question. Why would the onus be on the Globe and Mail to disclose to the public what the RCMP already know?

Child Abuse

While there is no specific offence called “child abuse” in the Criminal Code, all acts of abuse against children are crimes in Canada.

www.criminalcodehelp.ca

I don’t know that cps had enough time in their investigation to charge with neglect or abuse Before the kids disappeared.

IMO They may have engaged in intervention with meadow purely because of the missing children but that doesn’t mean charges (here anyway I can’t speak exact for Canada)

 

[MistyWaters]

I think it’s because the children are missing which makes everything go slower, imo. I can imagine the bureaucrats involved trying to see who dropped the ball and two children ended up missing and likely deceased. There’s a lot of blame to go around.

I now think that child neglect and abuse will be lesser charges. I always thought negligence was at the heart of this, but now I think it’s at least criminal negligence causing death. Daniel saying that two of his sweaters are missing made my heart sink and wonder if they’re found, that’s what they’ll be wearing.

And they go missing after Lilly suffers a black eye?! I noticed that Daniel and his mother said nothing about that in their interviews. No, ‘we were icing her poor face and having her relax’.

All my opinion.

Yes not only bureaucrats dropped the ball but other family members who might’ve been in a position to recognize the family was struggling.

I do wonder who or what could’ve made any difference? I suppose there’s no answer right yet as we still don’t know what happened to the children or what accounts for the RCMP’s extreme silence on this case. JMO

From that same G&M report, a quote under a photo. Requiring tremendous care?
“RCMP Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon updated the news media in May. He called Jack and Lilly's case a complicated one requiring tremendous care.
RON WARD/THE CANADIAN PRESS

 

[MistyWaters]

I don’t know that cps had enough time in their investigation to charge with neglect or abuse Before the kids disappeared.

IMO They may have engaged in intervention with meadow purely because of the missing children but that doesn’t mean charges (here anyway I can’t speak exact for Canada)

I was referring to charging them now. The fact the children went missing doesn’t absolve the parents from responsible parenting up until that time.

 

[MistyWaters]

Anything like that can be a cumbersome requirement for some people. Including myself - my papers are chaos. Even if that's all online / in the Cloud (unlike my case), it can be hard to get round to it etc etc if you are a chaotic person. The G&M article certainly gives that kind of impression of DM and MBM. Or if somebody has depression for instance it can be really hard to get on with this type of task, even if the consequence is benefit cut-off.

MOO and somewhat IME too.

We don’t know if it’s 100% true that they didn’t collect child benefits. But for a typical sawmill worker, he’d have a T4 and that’s about it. It was stated she wasn’t employed out of the home. If there were other issues, yeah that could have a bearing especially if they weren’t willing to seek outside support or assistance.
JMO

 

[TMich6811]

I was referring to charging them now. The fact the children went missing doesn’t absolve the parents from responsible parenting up until that time.

But you have to have an investigation for charges and it sounds like there may have not been fully time for that.

 

[MistyWaters]

But you have to have an investigation for charges and it sounds like there may have not been fully time for that.

I’d hope the sources of the G&M article have also spoken to the RCMP. I’m not referring to charges leading to the apprehension of the children because of course that’s not possible. But it does appear there are others who witnessed what appears to indicate child neglect and/or abuse of the children. It’d be unlikely everyone connected to the children during the period of time leading up to their disappearance spoke to the G&M so perhaps there’s additional evidence not in the public realm.

The G&M appears to have released this report so the public can be aware the children were being mistreated. But reading about it, what purpose does that serve?

 

[Lexiintoronto]

But you have to have an investigation for charges and it sounds like there may have not been fully time for that.

There are witnesses available, though. It sounds as though Malehya will be one of them, based on this article.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The filing deadline for 2024 tax year is Apr 30, 2025. The children went missing May 2, 2025 so not filing a tax return for 2024 tax year wouldn’t affect benefits while they were living common-in-law as the April, 2025 benefit would’ve already been paid on April 17th (to those who are eligible). After that date they were apparently separated, aside from the fact two of the three children were missing.

Which implies the lack of filing and the effects on her benefits likely happened last year.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I’d hope the sources of the G&M article have also spoken to the RCMP. I’m not referring to charges leading to the apprehension of the children because of course that’s not possible. But it does appear there are others who witnessed what appears to indicate child neglect and/or abuse of the children. It’d be unlikely everyone connected to the children during the period of time leading up to their disappearance spoke to the G&M so perhaps there’s additional evidence not in the public realm.

The G&M appears to have released this report so the public can be aware the children were being mistreated. But reading about it, what purpose does that serve?

After the 2020 mass shootings here, the media highlighted weaknesses in the system designed to prevent casualties. Some of which was initially denied by authorities who then had to admit the truth. (Friendly fire at the firehouse, for example.)

This feels the same way to me at the moment. It’s going to be the G & M that’s going make more breakthrough reporting, imo. And officials will be forced to be transparent about how the original calls to CPS were handled.

 

[TMich6811]

There are witnesses available, though. It sounds as though Malehya will be one of them, based on this article.

I’m not she what Maleyha has set up here.
And I’m not sure we have witness to the abuse the children experienced. I do not know if a forensic interview or exam occurred. I do not know what conversations folks had with cps outside of filing reports. This article tells us very little about the abuse or investigation except the presentation

 

[Colleen Donnelly]

A bit into reading that link, I recognized the style — a well-crafted piece by a professional journalist. Not this specific journalist, but a certain style of journalism that reads like a short story, with a billion places to read between the lines.

In my opinion, that piece wasn’t just dripping with bias against the mother, stepfather, and step-grandmother — it was soaking in it. If anyone reading had even the smallest suspicion that one or more of them might have made those kids disappear, that article cemented it for a large percentage of readers. Trial by media, indeed.

That said, there’s no denying that all, or one, or two of them look guilty as hell, Occam’s razor and all that. I’m not locked into one theory or one suspect, though — it could just as easily be some crazy like a fox nutter in the area who stole them.

As for little kids and black eyes, my own daughter had one at age two and another at four — one incident even included stitches under the chin. These things happen with some kids. Not all, of course, but just because it never happened to you or yours doesn’t mean it only happens to abused children.

Thanks heaps for archiving and linking the article imstilla.grandma !

 

[Alice Ramnit]

To go an entire year without receiving any Child Benefits - any parents of children in Canada certainly are aware of it, as it’s quite lucrative especially for multiple children - suggests nobody followed up to determine why the benefit had ceased. That they hadn’t received it for an entire year is your theory, not mine. I merely questioned the source as the information doesn’t make sense to m

I’d hope the sources of the G&M article have also spoken to the RCMP. I’m not referring to charges leading to the apprehension of the children because of course that’s not possible. But it does appear there are others who witnessed what appears to indicate child neglect and/or abuse of the children. It’d be unlikely everyone connected to the children during the period of time leading up to their disappearance spoke to the G&M so perhaps there’s additional evidence not in the public realm.

The G&M appears to have released this report so the public can be aware the children were being mistreated. But reading about it, what purpose does that serve?

Publicity and another source, fed up with having some inside information but no one being charged yet??

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Which implies the lack of filing and the effects on her benefits likely happened last year.

The whole lifestyle in that trailer home reeks of a lack of 'life skills'. As a former shelter worker in downtown Toronto, I met with many families who lacked the 'life skills' to work and/or be able to manage a healthy home environment...let alone file an income tax report.

 

[legalmomma]

One bit that stuck out for me was why DM mentions that two of his sweaters went missing along with the children!

Why is that relevant? What does he think happened? The RCMP would never have known that they were missing, unless he mentionned it.

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

And he denies having financial problems, in fact he was getting into investing…

“The family was under pressure – a confluence of financial woes left the couple turning to relatives for help. Like many lower-tier workers at the mill, Daniel had been cut back to one shift a week during the spring thaw, because of an annual ban on heavy logging trucks on soggy local roads. His car, off the road because it needed repairs he couldn’t afford, wasn’t drivable, and he had to rely on his uncle who also worked at the mill, to take him to work, or Malehya, whose maternal grandmother had recently helped her buy a white Nissan SUV.

Daniel’s father Earle said he bought the couple groceries and gas, and provided firewood to heat their home. Daniel, however, denied having money problems, and had claimed to friends that he was getting into investing and turning his life around after a divorce.”

https://archive.ph/2025.08.08-101433/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-missing-kids-updates-jack-lilly-sullivan-parents-rcmp/

 

[Coppertop15]

And he denies having financial problems, in fact he was getting into investing…

“The family was under pressure – a confluence of financial woes left the couple turning to relatives for help. Like many lower-tier workers at the mill, Daniel had been cut back to one shift a week during the spring thaw, because of an annual ban on heavy logging trucks on soggy local roads. His car, off the road because it needed repairs he couldn’t afford, wasn’t drivable, and he had to rely on his uncle who also worked at the mill, to take him to work, or Malehya, whose maternal grandmother had recently helped her buy a white Nissan SUV.

Daniel’s father Earle said he bought the couple groceries and gas, and provided firewood to heat their home. Daniel, however, denied having money problems, and had claimed to friends that he was getting into investing and turning his life around after a divorce.”

https://archive.ph/2025.08.08-101433/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-nova-scotia-missing-kids-updates-jack-lilly-sullivan-parents-rcmp/

"Getting involved in investing" when you have no money or education nearly always means you are being scammed, badly.

 

[abanddb123]

Unfortunately the article blocked by a subscriber only wall.

Right, wish there was a way to check the article before posting it, that it works for everyone. But that's not important

 

[Lucy6226]

"Getting involved in investing" when you have no money or education nearly always means you are being scammed, badly.

I suspect this is BS from a man that told the world he out ran the helicopters. Moo

 

[abanddb123]

Well this article is an eye opener if true…the kids having black eyes (Lily on the day she was reported sick from school). And interesting about the car going backwards and forwards to the house during the early hours of May 2nd! Evidence and Jack/Lily being removed from the scene potentially?! Wonder if they have found any dashcam/CCTV footage of this car yet?! JMO.

Can I ask what articles we are reading? I can't read any of these, it won't let me open. Thanks