CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

[Colleen Donnelly]

Pbm.
This purple bolded is new to me.
Did you have a link for it ?
I'd be interested in reading about that myself.
Thanks in advance.

That information came from the CBC video interview with the step grandma at :

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Adding to that is the article below: ( thank you for adding the text and the link @dotr )

The Current

'Friday, July 18, 2025 Episode Transcript'​

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/friday-july-18-2025-episode-transcript-1.7588759 ''MW: What does Janie say about what happened that day?

KAYLA HOUNSELL: Well, she says that morning, her brother called her at 8:48 local time. She has the timestamp on her phone. She says she spoke with him and then went back to bed. But then she heard her dog barking, and she heard Lilly and Jack. She didn't see them, but says she heard them. And she says it was around 10 minutes after that call with her brother, so around 9 a.m. now, that she heard her son yelling for Lilly and jack. Now, she didn't go outside immediately, but when she did a short time later, she saw Malehya, the children's mother, standing there with the baby, and it was her who told Janie that Lilly and Jack were missing and had been for about 20 minutes. And she says ever since then, baseless stories have been swirling about her family.''

 

[Ontario Mom]

This says first round

Yes, the article went on to say others, later, also took polygraphs. I think this is what it refers to by saying "first round".

 

[TMich6811]

I feel like I keep trying to interpret other people’s interpretation of documents ever have been mostly redacted so no one could really interpret lol

 

[Chimera]

Thanks, @Colleen Donnelly and @dotr !
Much appreciated.

 

[MistyWaters]

I feel like I keep trying to interpret other people’s interpretation of documents ever have been mostly redacted so no one could really interpret lol

Wow, four polygraphs! A unsettling thought that us Canadians are informed of news from conflicting sources like this

Lilly and Jack Sullivan update: Polygraph test results re...

The siblings have been missing since the beginning of May.

www.newsweek.com

“According to the court records cited by CTV, Brooks-Murray and Martell were first given polygraphs on May 12. The couple were then given subsequent polygraph tests three more times during the investigation.

In each session, Brooks-Murray's and Martell's results indicated they were telling the truth, according to the report.”

 

[gotalight]

I wonder if the front door didn’t close properly. How would you set a wrench on TOP of the door when if a door is closed the top is flush with the wall/ aligned with the jamb? If the door was fitted wrong or broken in some way what came to my mind is akin to bells around the campsite- if the door starts to be opened or messed with the wrench would fall, waking up parents and POTENTIALLY scaring the bear off. I’m not sure of the types of bears they have up there but if it were black bears I’d imagine the wrench would double as a bear deterrent since they seem to be much more frightful for lack of a better word.
Jmo, wishful thinking.
It is weird though because if the wrench was heavy enough to potentially awaken adults and or scare off a bear it would have to be pretty heavy which seems dangerous with 3 people with little skulls running around :/

 

[Alice Ramnit]

I agree, I can’t imagine how a wrench in a door would deter bears. Just ensuring it was shut, hopefully locked, should do the trick.

As for enemies, I have wondered if the piece of the pink doll blanket and the two missing sweaters were intended to falsely implicate DM in some way. But purely my speculation, sometime longstanding feuds in rural areas can run deep.
JMO

I keep thinking back to when Daniel was desperately asking for the provincial borders and airports to be checked becuase he believed that they had been abducted. Even back then I wondered about a drug debt etc...
I still keep coming back to that and the UK case of Shannon Matthews, where an abduction was staged but then went on for too long and became too widely publicized for her to simply be 'found'.

Full plot to 'kidnap' Shannon Matthews explained as detective issues direct message

The plot to 'kidnap' Shannon Matthews was organised by her family for a bizarre reason as a detective on the case issues a direct message to Shannon

www.ladbible.com

I am not suggesting that this is a staged abduction but if they were abducted for a randsom or any other reason, they would have to be well hidden.

Also if I knew that a bear was 'hanging around' I would NEVER let my kids outside until I had checked the property! We live in Toronto and have fencing and I still check for coyotes/foxes/skunks before letting our cocker spaniel out!

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/day-three-may-4-pictou-county-missing-children-search-1.7526104

 

[steff13]

I wonder if the front door didn’t close properly. How would you set a wrench on TOP of the door when if a door is closed the top is flush with the wall/ aligned with the jamb? If the door was fitted wrong or broken in some way what came to my mind is akin to bells around the campsite- if the door starts to be opened or messed with the wrench would fall, waking up parents and POTENTIALLY scaring the bear off. I’m not sure of the types of bears they have up there but if it were black bears I’d imagine the wrench would double as a bear deterrent since they seem to be much more frightful for lack of a better word.
Jmo, wishful thinking.
It is weird though because if the wrench was heavy enough to potentially awaken adults and or scare off a bear it would have to be pretty heavy which seems dangerous with 3 people with little skulls running around :/

I was thinking maybe they meant they balanced it on top of the jamb, theorizing that if the door was opened it would knock the wrench down and make noise? I mean, I would 100% forget I had done this and would hit myself in the head with the wrench every day.

I read that the kids might have autism and could elope. That, coupled with the apparent bear issue, makes me wonder why they wouldn't just buy alarms for the doors? That would have addressed both issues, and they're pretty cheap.

 

[TMich6811]

I was thinking maybe they meant they balanced it on top of the jamb, theorizing that if the door was opened it would knock the wrench down and make noise? I mean, I would 100% forget I had done this and would hit myself in the head with the wrench every day.

I read that the kids might have autism and could elope. That, coupled with the apparent bear issue, makes me wonder why they wouldn't just buy alarms for the doors? That would have addressed both issues, and they're pretty cheap.

I agree it sounds like it was propped to fall and make noise.

This feels more like in case SOMEONE entered and not anything related to a bear

 

[musicaljoke]

These new articles don’t change my opinion on this case at all. I still believe Mum and Step Dad know exactly what happened to those children and where they are.

If that's the case, why do you think they haven't turned against one another, given their present distanced relationship?

It takes a great deal of skill to hide a crime such as one you are suggesting. I don't believe these parents had the skill, energy, time or resources to pull it off. Therefore, I don't believe there was a crime committed. I believe the children are in the forest.

 

[steff13]

If that's the case, why do you think they haven't turned against one another, given their present distanced relationship?

It takes a great deal of skill to hide a crime such as one you are suggesting. I don't believe these parents had the skill, energy, time or resources to pull it off. Therefore, I don't believe there was a crime committed. I believe the children are in the forest.

I think it's possible the mother knows where they are.

The mother is currently staying on tribal land, isn't she (apologies is that's not the correct terminology)? Would that affect how easy it would be for RCMP to find them?

If so, it would only have been a matter of someone picking them up and taking them to the land ahead of her, she leaves a day or two later, and then that's it. She creates a false narrative that they've wandered away, RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction to come onto the tribal land to look for them or ask questions, and that's it.

This is a scenario I've made up, but I've that wouldn't really require that much effort on her part.

 

[Andreee]

I think it's possible the mother knows where they are.

The mother is currently staying on tribal land, isn't she (apologies is that's not the correct terminology)? Would that affect how easy it would be for RCMP to find them?

If so, it would only have been a matter of someone picking them up and taking them to the land ahead of her, she leaves a day or two later, and then that's it. She creates a false narrative that they've wandered away, RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction to come onto the tribal land to look for them or ask questions, and that's it.

This is a scenario I've made up, but I've that wouldn't really require that much effort on her part.

Actually our RCMP does have jurisdiction to go onto tribal land.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I think it's possible the mother knows where they are.

The mother is currently staying on tribal land, isn't she (apologies is that's not the correct terminology)? Would that affect how easy it would be for RCMP to find them?

If so, it would only have been a matter of someone picking them up and taking them to the land ahead of her, she leaves a day or two later, and then that's it. She creates a false narrative that they've wandered away, RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction to come onto the tribal land to look for them or ask questions, and that's it.

This is a scenario I've made up, but I've that wouldn't really require that much effort on her part.

I'm not sure we know where the mother is. At one point it was suggested she went to stay "with family" but I don't know if we ever had any MSM or LE confirmation of that.

Early in the case we learned the kids are part of the Mi'kmaw community through their maternal grandfather being a member of Sipekne'katik First Nation. However, it's never been made clear if the mother's family (her mother, grandfather, etc.) lives on a reserve, or not.

 

[steff13]

Actually our RCMP does have jurisdiction to go onto tribal land.

Ah, well, then, nevermind. Here in the US residents of reservations can call on local police for assistance, but the reservation is generally outside the jurisdiction of local LE. I thought it might be the same in Canada.

 

[musicaljoke]

I think it's possible the mother knows where they are.

The mother is currently staying on tribal land, isn't she (apologies is that's not the correct terminology)? Would that affect how easy it would be for RCMP to find them?

If so, it would only have been a matter of someone picking them up and taking them to the land ahead of her, she leaves a day or two later, and then that's it. She creates a false narrative that they've wandered away, RCMP doesn't have jurisdiction to come onto the tribal land to look for them or ask questions, and that's it.

This is a scenario I've made up, but I've that wouldn't really require that much effort on her part.

RCMP has jurisdiction on First Nations Reserves. In cases where the First Nation has its own police services, the two police services would collaborate. There is no place to hide from the police.

I don't believe it is likely that anyone could successfully hide two lively, growing children on the reserve where everyone knows one another's business. And there seems to be no compelling reason to do so.

 

[steff13]

RCMP has jurisdiction on First Nations Reserves. In cases where the First Nation has its own police services, the two police services would collaborate. There is no place to hide from the police.

I don't believe it is likely that anyone could successfully hide two lively, growing children on the reserve where everyone knows one another's business. And there seems to be no compelling reason to do so.

Fair enough if they have jurisdiction, but I don't know that we know what reason there might have been to hide the children. The stepfather mentioned that children's services had visited, that might a reason why someone would want to hide their children, if they were afraid of children's services involvement.

 

[musicaljoke]

Fair enough if they have jurisdiction, but I don't know that we know what reason there might have been to hide the children. The stepfather mentioned that children's services had visited, that might a reason why someone would want to hide their children, if they were afraid of children's services involvement.

But wouldn't hiding the children merely attract children's services involvement, plus every other agency that could potentially be involved? If they were that worried about children's services then I think the entire family would move out of province, rather than hide two of the three children.

If the parents hid the kids, they would not likely be able to come up with a consistent and believable account of what happened.

 

[steff13]

But wouldn't hiding the children merely attract children's services involvement, plus every other agency that could potentially be involved? If they were that worried about children's services then I think the entire family would move out of province, rather than hide two of the three children.

If the parents hid the kids, they would not likely be able to come up with a consistent and believable account of what happened.

Didn't the boyfriend say that he couldn't see the youngest child because children's services had taken her?

 

[steff13]

Ultimately, I don't think that the stepfather knows where they are. I think the mother might, I don't necessarily think that they're in danger, and I think RCMP knows a lot more about what's going on behind the scenes.

 

[musicaljoke]

Didn't the boyfriend say that he couldn't see the youngest child because children's services had taken her?

In cases of missing children, it is possible that children's services will remove children from the home until the situation is investigated, lest there be a problem with the safety of the remaining children. I am uncertain if that is what happened, or if the child and mother were together under the supervision of children's services. There is private info about that which is not clear to us.

So hiding two children can result in having the third one removed. This is a very good reason not to hide two of your children.