CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[BCSleuth]

I wonder, what is DM’s definition of “physical abuse”?

If asked directly, “did you ever block her, or hold her down and take away her phone?”, “did you ever push her?”, what would his answer be?

It’s possible to rationalize away anything short of a punch or kick as “not abuse”.

Just my opinion

Edit to add:
I’m not comfortable calling this a “he said, she said” as women experiencing any form of abuse have been disbelieved for centuries. MBM described this to LE, not the media. She reported it in her 5th interview according to yesterday’s Globe and Mail. This tells me it took her some time to be able to speak to it with LE. Whatever anyone thinks of MBM, it is highly possible she’s a DV victim.
IMHO

Yes, good point. It is quite likely that DM didn't know that blocking or holding fits the legal definition of physical abuse in Canada.

For what it's worth here is what he told The Canadian Press News: (source)

When reached by phone Thursday, Martell denied the allegations, saying they are part of a narrative designed to make him look evil. “I never abused Malehya,” he said. “But the narrative was set that Daniel is an evil person …. You can see all the allegations online. It's absolutely insane.”

Asked about the allegation that he hurt his partner when he tried to take her phone, Martell said, “Allegations to make me seem evil. It didn't happen.”

I believe whatever MBM said happened did, in fact, happen.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Hypothetically speaking, IF there was domestic violence issues (or if DM happens to be a narcissist which is common among abusers) MBM would be doing exactly what she should be doing, ie: cutting off all contact, no interaction, zero communication.

Once an abuser starts to lose control, they can go into full blown damage control to make themselves look good to victim and others and returning to full-blown “love bombing” to get the victim back under control. Not interacting with an abuser during this time/after leaving is crucial to not get lured back in.

Also, IF this is the case being on the reserve is smart. It's likely a safe space for MBM. Reserves can be a fiercely loyal community and protective of their families. If any of her family/friends are hunters they might have access to hunting firearms as well.

This would deter DM (and possibly his family/friends) from trying lure her back in, intimidate her, scare her, make her feel unsafe, etc. I would think media would tread carefully as well if they tried to set foot on the reserve. It can be a bit of an 'off limits' place (in some areas, not all) so safe for MBM and the baby. JMO MOO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Sometimes it's hard to see how rough things are when you're in it, but then you get an aerial view, and then you can't not see it anymore.

And the only thing left is to get the hell out as fast and as far as you can, with whatever you have left.

JMO

ITA. Get the heck out, don't look back and block all contact!

 

[Simply Caustic]

My fellow WSers familiar with the Reid Technique (LE method of interrogation) already know what I’m about to say…illeism/speaking in the third person is a linguistic for possible manipulation and depersonalization. Of course, it could just be a quirk of personality and one has to keep that in mind, but this is not just any old chat, it is an interview wherein he’d just been confronted with Malehya’s statement, alleging he’d been physically abusive to her previously.

Daniel’s repeated use of referring to himself in the third person highlighted below and bolded:

‘But the narrative was set that Daniel is an evil person’
&
‘‘That's what this has always been about: making Daniel seem evil,” he said, speaking about himself in the third person. ‘He has nothing to do with the disappearance, but in the public, as long as he looks evil, the public will judge him as being guilty.’

JMO MOO some offenders like to act as if they’re police-adjacent during the investigation of their crime, and Daniel is, IMO, acting in a manner that’s consistent with those types of offenders.

 

[FromGermany1]

Yes, good point. It is quite likely that DM didn't know that blocking or holding fits the legal definition of physical abuse in Canada.

For what it's worth here is what he told The Canadian Press News: (source)



I believe whatever MBM said happened did, in fact, happen.

She said very little negative about him. I believe her, but Idk, how she reacted to his attacks.

 

[su5ie]

I wonder, what is DM’s definition of “physical abuse”?

If asked directly, “did you ever block her, or hold her down and take away her phone?”, “did you ever push her?”, what would his answer be?

It’s possible to rationalize away anything short of a punch or kick as “not abuse”.

Just my opinion

Edit to add:
I’m not comfortable calling this a “he said, she said” as women experiencing any form of abuse have been disbelieved for centuries. MBM described this to LE, not the media. She reported it in her 5th interview according to yesterday’s Globe and Mail. This tells me it took her some time to be able to speak to it with LE. Whatever anyone thinks of MBM, it is highly possible she’s a DV victim.
IMHO

I'm sorry I used that terminology and you are right women have been disbelieved for far too long

 

[su5ie]

My fellow WSers familiar with the Reid Technique (LE method of interrogation) already know what I’m about to say…illeism/speaking in the third person is a linguistic for possible manipulation and depersonalization. Of course, it could just be a quirk of personality and one has to keep that in mind, but this is not just any old chat, it is an interview wherein he’d just been confronted with Malehya’s statement, alleging he’d been physically abusive to her previously.

Daniel’s repeated use of referring to himself in the third person highlighted below and bolded:

‘But the narrative was set that Daniel is an evil person’
&
‘‘That's what this has always been about: making Daniel seem evil,” he said, speaking about himself in the third person. ‘He has nothing to do with the disappearance, but in the public, as long as he looks evil, the public will judge him as being guilty.’

JMO MOO some offenders like to act as if they’re police-adjacent during the investigation of their crime, and Daniel is, IMO, acting in a manner that’s consistent with those types of offenders.

Creating distance and also emotional detachment

He is also cleverly putting out there that it's trial by media

 

[Ontario Mom]

Creating distance and also emotional detachment

He is also cleverly putting out there that it's trial by media

Ironically, that's exactly what it's become. Neither of them have been named or charged with any crime, yet folks have already decided who did what, who's lying, who's not, etc.

jmo

 

[303gmf]

Ironically, that's exactly what it's become. Neither of them have been named or charged with any crime, yet folks have already decided who did what, who's lying, who's not, etc.

jmo

The court’s will ultimately decide or not
The public perception and opinions have been out in the public sphere in hundreds and hundreds of cases, decades and decades of it
I don’t remember such defending Lori Vallow when her kids went missing or thousands of cases where children’s lives are at risk

Clear eyes can look at all the information generated and form thoughts and opinions

It’s a crime forum, it’s what we do like or not

 

[su5ie]

The court’s will ultimately decide or not
The public perception and opinions have been out in the public sphere in hundreds and hundreds of cases, decades and decades of it
I don’t remember such defending Lori Vallow when her kids went missing or thousands of cases where children’s lives are at risk

Clear eyes can look at all the information generated and form thoughts and opinions

It’s a crime forum, it’s what we do like it not

Well said

 

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[Bigditch]

I think this is saying these aren’t new documents. It’s unsealed portions of the redacted information in the documents that were previously released afew months ago.

Mother of missing N.S. children accused ex partner of violence against her, RCMP documents reveal

Asked by police about abuse she said, “he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom.”

nationalpost.com

“These new allegations came to light when the RCMP recently released previously redacted portions of court documents as a result of a media application before a Nova Scotia judge. The application sought the release of more information connected to the early stages of the RCMP investigation into the children’s disappearance.
The documents were obtained by National Post on Thursday from the Nova Scotia Courts office.”

Okay that makes sense. Old news new to us.

 

[su5ie]

Okay that makes sense. Old news new to us.

I wonder if we can find the documents with the newly unredacted info

I would be interested in seeing the whereabouts of the new released info in the documents and if there is other bits the globe and mail and cbs didn't add in their articles

 

[Bigditch]

I don't think it would be unreasonable for the RCMP to say people passed the poly when they in fact hadn't, hoping someone might get cocky and hang themselves with their words.

If the poly is unreliable, then technically a pass or fail cannot be measured. Jmo

 

[Bigditch]

Hypothetically speaking, IF there was domestic violence issues (or if DM happens to be a narcissist which is common among abusers) MBM would be doing exactly what she should be doing, ie: cutting off all contact, no interaction, zero communication.

Once an abuser starts to lose control, they can go into full blown damage control to make themselves look good to victim and others and returning to full-blown “love bombing” to get the victim back under control. Not interacting with an abuser during this time/after leaving is crucial to not get lured back in.

Also, IF this is the case being on the reserve is smart. It's likely a safe space for MBM. Reserves can be a fiercely loyal community and protective of their families. If any of her family/friends are hunters they might have access to hunting firearms as well.

This would deter DM (and possibly his family/friends) from trying lure her back in, intimidate her, scare her, make her feel unsafe, etc. I would think media would tread carefully as well if they tried to set foot on the reserve. It can be a bit of an 'off limits' place (in some areas, not all) so safe for MBM and the baby. JMO MOO

Excellent points. I'll just reiterate that the most dangerous time for an abused person is immediately following their departure from the home.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The court’s will ultimately decide or not
The public perception and opinions have been out in the public sphere in hundreds and hundreds of cases, decades and decades of it
I don’t remember such defending Lori Vallow when her kids went missing or thousands of cases where children’s lives are at risk

Clear eyes can look at all the information generated and form thoughts and opinions

It’s a crime forum, it’s what we do like or not

While I agree with most of this statement, I think you may be mistaken about defense of either parent in this case.
I'm not defending either of them, I'm simply commenting that it's ironic Martell's statements are actually true, and there's literally not a thing he can do about it.

Folks have opinions whether they're right or wrong, kind or unkind.
When your kids go missing on your watch, it's never a good look.

jmo

 

[su5ie]

Got so caught up in excitement yesterday couldnt see the wood from the trees

I just had a Reread of this article and I noticed DM said he recently submitted a blood sample for DNA testing.
Something to do with the blanket

What would that be for and why would it only be requested recently?

Mother of children missing for eight months accuses partner of abuse: documents

HALIFAX - The mother of two Nova Scotia children who were reported missing more than eight months ago alleges in newly unsealed court documents that her common-law partner was sometimes

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

DM talking in this article

 

[Ontario Mom]

Got so caught up in excitement yesterday couldnt see the wood from the trees

I just had a Reread of this article and I noticed DM said he recently submitted a blood sample for DNA testing.
Something to do with the blanket

What would that be for and why would it only be requested recently?

"In July, the Mounties said they were conducting forensic tests on a pink blanket found during a search of a heavily wooded areas near the family’s home." "During the interview Thursday, Martell said the blood sample he submitted would be used to test something on a blanket, but he did not provide details."

My guess would be, the test results came back on the blanket and his blood sample is to either rule him out as the contributor to whatever was found on the blanket, or to match his sample to it.

jmo

 

[su5ie]

"In July, the Mounties said they were conducting forensic tests on a pink blanket found during a search of a heavily wooded areas near the family’s home." "During the interview Thursday, Martell said the blood sample he submitted would be used to test something on a blanket, but he did not provide details."

My guess would be, the test results came back on the blanket and his blood sample is to either rule him out as the contributor to whatever was found on the blanket, or to match his sample to it.

jmo

Yes I would imagine this is what is happening.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Yes I would imagine this is what is happening.

Not that I really want to think about it, but since they lived in the same very small home, and allegedly the blanket was torn/ripped and no longer being used as a blanket (if memory serves, part of it was found in a trash bag), most biological substances (that forensics would need a comparison sample from Martell) found on it could be reasonably explained, if the former blanket was being used as a household rag.

Ugh. I'll just leave it at that.

jmo