CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

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I see BG as a victim in need of our compassion. My heart hurts for her.

IMHO

Yes indeed, a difficult time for all the various family members, including both bio and step.

 

[su5ie]

Although I do admire the voice BG is giving lilly and jack and I commend her determination to find answers and yes she is a victim, I have always thought she helped raise the profile from the start

However it is my belief that unless all avenues were exhausted BG can't really pin it on MBM to maintain contact and access . To be calling to the family home of a former partner is not everyone's cup of tea regardless of relations with grand parents . Why not arrange to pick the children up from mbm for an over night stay to give mbm a break ? Prehaps she would have appreciated that . Just because you may want your children to be part of a grandparents lives doesn't mean you have to or want to

An ex partner of mine didn't want his parents to mind my children as it might give me some freedom to gain employment or have a fun night out so it was always a case of we will see the children if you bring them to X place, we will have a cuppa and we get to see our grandchildren, grandparents happy . But eventually this dwindled as I didn't always have the time to go or to meet at a time that suited them . Now it's been 11 years since they seen my children . No mediation, no court letters nothing . So as long as I was making the effort it was all fine and dandy but as soon as I couldn't well then it wasn't

So that's why I take a very different view of the finger pointing of blaming mbm

 

[MistyWaters]

Although I do admire the voice BG is giving lilly and jack and I commend her determination to find answers and yes she is a victim, I have always thought she helped raise the profile from the start

However it is my belief that unless all avenues were exhausted BG can't really pin it on MBM to maintain contact and access . To be calling to the family home of a former partner is not everyone's cup of tea regardless of relations with grand parents . Why not arrange to pick the children up from mbm for an over night stay to give mbm a break ? Prehaps she would have appreciated that . Just because you may want your children to be part of a grandparents lives doesn't mean you have to or want to

An ex partner of mine didn't want his parents to mind my children as it might give me some freedom to gain employment or have a fun night out so it was always a case of we will see the children if you bring them to X place, we will have a cuppa and we get to see our grandchildren, grandparents happy . But eventually this dwindled as I didn't always have the time to go or to meet at a time that suited them . Now it's been 11 years since they seen my children . No mediation, no court letters nothing . So as long as I was making the effort it was all fine and dandy but as soon as I couldn't well then it wasn't

So that's why I take a very different view of the finger pointing of blaming mbm

I agree, our opinions often reflect our true life’s experiences. My empathy toward BG went down a notch after she said she was supporting her unemployed adult son who wasn’t paying child support. So I wondered, did she ever invite Maleyha and children to come live with her, to give them a helping hand, a fresh start? Probably not.

I think the #1 best MILs in the world - and they are out there - think of their daughter-in law not as the wife (or ex-wife) of their son, but as a daughter who is the mother of their grandchildren. Blood does not run very deeply in my world.

Then when separations or divorces occur, then that bond is not so easily broken. As you’ve mentioned, if it’s a one sided relationship, it will not last.
JMO

 

[Slebby]

In fairness, we also don’t know biodad’s story, such as his mental or physical health.

I had an adult child with mental health challenges for a few years. It was nobody’s business, but I am sure from the outside it might have looked like a lazy layabout was sponging off the parents. As a mom, I will always be supportive of my adult kids, whatever the reason they need me, and yes, even when I might not be in agreement with their life choices.

In this case, for all we know, Cody’s mom might have been the only one keeping him from homelessness. I know if that was my choice, I would not turf my own kids.
imho

 

[MistyWaters]

In fairness, we also don’t know biodad’s story, such as his mental or physical health.

I had an adult child with mental health challenges for a few years. It was nobody’s business, but I am sure from the outside it might have looked like a lazy layabout was sponging off the parents. As a mom, I will always be supportive of my adult kids, whatever the reason they need me, and yes, even when I might not be in agreement with their life choices.

In this case, for all we know, Cody’s mom might have been the only one keeping him from homelessness. I know if that was my choice, I would not turf my own kids.
imho

Yes, could well be a valid reason the mom was supporting him. If he was the slightest bit unstable, Maleyha had good reason for failing to bring the children to visit bio-grandma.

I wonder, as the relationship was ending, did Maleyha ever file a restraining order against biodad? Was it an ugly breakup? The RCMP seemed to be taking a strong look at him. Why was she suspicious of his potential involvement in the disappearance of her children?

The more time that passes, recalling Melayha’s one media interview when she appeared to me to be so timid and vulnerable. She’s the central figure who I feel the most compassion toward, her life has been tough and it’s turned even worse.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

New Brunswick has been mentioned a few times as connected to this case. Maybe this was why. It illustrates how tips mentioned in the documents were used to obtain subpoenas in order to investigate the tip but often nothing comes of it.

Warrants in Jack and Lilly Sullivan case raise questions but have few answers

If there are clues for finding Lilly and Jack Sullivan in the warrant documents, they’re redacted. If there’s hope, it can be taken from the extent and thoroughness they show of the efforts by RCMP investigators and search and rescue teams who have been seeking the two missing Pictou County...

www.saltwire.com

“RCMP also received a report from an employee at a hotel in New Brunswick, the name and location of which are redacted, who claimed to have seen the children’s biological father, Cody Sullivan, with Jack and Lilly. The father, who has been separated from the mother since October 2021, told RCMP he was at home (location redacted) on May 2, didn’t know where the children were and had had no contact with Brooks-Murray.”

 

[su5ie]

New Brunswick has been mentioned a few times as connected to this case. Maybe this was why. It illustrates how tips mentioned in the documents were used to obtain subpoenas in order to investigate the tip but often nothing comes of it.

Warrants in Jack and Lilly Sullivan case raise questions but have few answers

If there are clues for finding Lilly and Jack Sullivan in the warrant documents, they’re redacted. If there’s hope, it can be taken from the extent and thoroughness they show of the efforts by RCMP investigators and search and rescue teams who have been seeking the two missing Pictou County...

www.saltwire.com

“RCMP also received a report from an employee at a hotel in New Brunswick, the name and location of which are redacted, who claimed to have seen the children’s biological father, Cody Sullivan, with Jack and Lilly. The father, who has been separated from the mother since October 2021, told RCMP he was at home (location redacted) on May 2, didn’t know where the children were and had had no contact with Brooks-Murray.”

A lot to unpack in that article and a bit more added than what was contained in the G&M .

Would cps contact bio dad when the report was made by the school ?

I know BG stated that CS walked away when MBM filed for sole custody of the children but it doesn't say if she went ahead with it in the court of law or that it was granted ,does it ? I can't remember off hand

I don't know what to think now ! Where the kids abducted.?

Would a black bear carry off two children leaving no evidence?

 

[MistyWaters]

A lot to unpack in that article and a bit more added than what was contained in the G&M .

Would cps contact bio dad when the report was made by the school ?

I know BG stated that CS walked away when MBM filed for sole custody of the children but it doesn't say if she went ahead with it in the court of law or that it was granted ,does it ? I can't remember off hand

I don't know what to think now ! Where the kids abducted.?

Would a black bear carry off two children leaving no evidence?

As I recall how it was stated, MBM filed for sole custody and biodad just allowed it to go through, without contesting it. That’s typically how it works in Canada if the biodad isn’t interested in trying to arrange joint custody of the children. What that means is biodad gives up all rights to decision making involving the children, therefore I doubt CPS would contact him nor would his name appear on any school records. Payment of child support is a separate matter unconnected to custody and/or visitation, other than the amount of the payment is usually set depending on the time spent with each of the respective parents if such an agreement is in place, not applicable in this case.

Black bears are not generally dangerous and dragging people off is quite rare but I guess anything is possible. They prefer plants and berries to eat, unlike grizzly bears which are meat eaters although there’s none in N.S. But one black bear could not drag off two children at the same time, so in such a situation one child would’ve been able to seek help. Bears also have sharp claws and if there had been blood scene anywhere, it would have to have been be a very useless tracking dog not to identify that area.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

As I recall how it was stated, MBM filed for sole custody and biodad just allowed it to go through, without contesting it. That’s typically how it works in Canada if the biodad isn’t interested in trying to arrange joint custody of the children. What that means is biodad gives up all rights to decision making involving the children, therefore I doubt CPS would contact him nor would his name appear on any school records. Child support is a separate matter unconnected to custody and/or visitation, other than the amount of the payment is usually set depending on the time spent with each of the respective parents if such an agreement is in place, not applicable in this case.

Black bears are not generally dangerous and dragging people off is quite rare but I guess anything is possible. They prefer plants and berries to eat, unlike grizzly bears which are meat eaters although there’s none in N.S. But one black bear could not drag off two children at the same time, so in such a situ

ation one child would’ve been able to seek help. Bears also have sharp claws and if there had been blood scene anywhere, it would have to have been be a very useless tracking dog not to identify that area.

Yes I did read just now that black bears are pretty scared of humans and will often even run off rather than attack . I suppose I have no understanding of living in an environment where animals of that size roam freely that's why I was curious. And makes sense there would be some form of blood trail

Where are posters at now regarding thoughts on what happened after reading that article.

I'm confused it's like the children just vanished into thin air like seemingly no trace of anything including scent .

The search seems to me to have been extensively through with nothing left to chance and especially given the time window it appears unusual that they weren't found and even with thermal cameras it's weird

 

[LooksSusToMe]

I lived in Lake Tahoe amongst bears, and I don’t see how one could drag off not one but two children. Maybe it was a Sasquatch?

A human did something to and with these kids. There’s nothing else that makes sense IMO

 

[Danaya]

Well, as I stated in the early days of the investigation, I believe this was an abduction. I've always believed the pipeline trail was utilized, and that the kidnapper had a vehicle waiting close to the intersection of Gairloch Road and Lansdowne Station. Too many people have gotten tunnel vision.

 

[su5ie]

Well, as I stated in the early days of the investigation, I believe this was an abduction. I've always believed the pipeline trail was utilized, and that the kidnapper had a vehicle waiting close to the intersection of Gairloch Road and Lansdowne Station. Too many people have gotten tunnel vision.

I remember you stating this early on about a vehicle being parked near the pipeline trail, I think it was thread 1

And this intersection appears to be where the gold sedan was sighted

Anyone able to do a map with home , pipeline and site of gold sedan

 

[Serononin]

Yes indeed, a difficult time for all the various family members, including both bio and step.

And for the kids' friends, too. It must've been hard going back for a new school year with an empty chair in the classroom

 

[Slebby]

Recent MSM coverage states that as of July 16th, this case is not considered criminal. This has me thinking, unless new evidence has changed their position on this, the only explanation for the disappearance is that the children wandered away. Even if the children were removed for safety reasons, if mom, biodad, DM, extended relatives or step relatives took them away, and are keeping them, even if for “good reasons”, it is criminal.

So we are left with the idea they wandered away. That’s the only non criminal conclusion.

But dogs didn’t pick up their scent, in any direction, not in the woods, and only at the side of the road. There was not a single trace of them found, other than possibly a boot print.

Just doing a little reading on dogs tracking by scent, it seems they are often less able to track someone the more time has passed, which makes sense.

K-9 Teams | mauisar.org

www.mauisar.org

(Read ahead to the section Track/Trail Age)

This brings me back to wondering, were the children gone that morning in the timeframe reported, or is it possible they were gone earlier than reported? This is the only thing that makes sense to me. I admit, I am baffled.


IMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Recent MSM coverage states that as of July 16th, this case is not considered criminal. This has me thinking, unless new evidence has changed their position on this, the only explanation for the disappearance is that the children wandered away. Even if the children were removed for safety reasons, if mom, biodad, DM, extended relatives or step relatives took them away, and are keeping them, even if for “good reasons”, it is criminal.

So we are left with the idea they wandered away. That’s the only non criminal conclusion.

But dogs didn’t pick up their scent, in any direction, not in the woods, and only at the side of the road. There was not a single trace of them found, other than possibly a boot print.

Just doing a little reading on dogs tracking by scent, it seems they are often less able to track someone the more time has passed, which makes sense.

K-9 Teams | mauisar.org

www.mauisar.org

(Read ahead to the section Track/Trail Age)

This brings me back to wondering, were the children gone that morning in the timeframe reported, or is it possible they were gone earlier than reported? This is the only thing that makes sense to me. I admit, I am baffled.


IMO

Yes I don’t think we should discount the RCMPs belief that at as July 16th their investigation revealed no criminal involvement. The major crimes unit work as a team so I’m convinced that was the team’s consensus is based on the results of all the work they’ve done so far. A thorough investigation could never be accomplished if every individual team member was working towards establishing a different theory.

Just one point to make. It is not criminal IF MBM knowingly arranged for another person to care for the children. Even for ‘good reasons’ is not abduction if an arrangement was made by the parent. This makes sense to me because it’s quite common for children to be tended by family members for brief or longer periods of time.

But as time marches on I’m less convinced care-giving is what occurred as by now everyone involved would’ve surely have grown weary of the unnecessary secrecy.

As for misleading police with false information. I’m not sure if that’s considered ‘criminal’ or not. It seems it’s far more serious to falsely accuse another person of a criminal offence than it is to claim one’s children wandered off but I’m not an expert. From time to time people who falsely cause searches or other futile work for various government agencies are penalized with the cost but I don’t ever recall anyone thrown in jail for long periods of time over it. The reason for this I assume is that In Canada our prison system is built on rehabilitation and reintegration of criminals back into society, as opposed to punishment as it is in other countries such as the United States.
JMO

Criminal Code

Federal laws of Canada

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca

Abduction

• 283(1) Everyone who, being the parent, guardian or person having the lawful care or charge of a child under the age of 14 years, takes, entices away, conceals, detains, receives or harbours that child, whether or not there is an order referred to in subsection 282(1) in respect of the child , with intent to deprive a parent, guardian or any other person who has the lawful care or charge of that child, of the possession of that child, is guilty of
  • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
  • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

 

[Megnut]

Recent MSM coverage states that as of July 16th, this case is not considered criminal. This has me thinking, unless new evidence has changed their position on this, the only explanation for the disappearance is that the children wandered away. Even if the children were removed for safety reasons, if mom, biodad, DM, extended relatives or step relatives took them away, and are keeping them, even if for “good reasons”, it is criminal.

So we are left with the idea they wandered away. That’s the only non criminal conclusion.

But dogs didn’t pick up their scent, in any direction, not in the woods, and only at the side of the road. There was not a single trace of them found, other than possibly a boot print.

Just doing a little reading on dogs tracking by scent, it seems they are often less able to track someone the more time has passed, which makes sense.

K-9 Teams | mauisar.org

www.mauisar.org

(Read ahead to the section Track/Trail Age)

This brings me back to wondering, were the children gone that morning in the timeframe reported, or is it possible they were gone earlier than reported? This is the only thing that makes sense to me. I admit, I am baffled.


IMO

I learned early on in my WS past to note what LE does, not what they say.

A stepmother blugeoned (stabbed, burned, shot) a "missing child" to death. She was clearly their prime suspect, but right up until her arrest, they maintained that it was a missing persons case.

LE doesn't appear to be saturating the planet with photos of the missing children nor putting family front and center to plead for their safe return nor requesting the lady with the loose curls or the owner of the hood car to come forward.

So; again, based on my education here and from watching Criminals Minds, LE is not behaving like two little lives are hanging in the balance (are alive and must be found) and more like they're "working the case".

I watch and wait.

JMO

 

[Slebby]

Yes I don’t think we should discount the RCMPs belief that at as July 16th their investigation revealed no criminal involvement. The major crimes unit work as a team so I’m convinced that was the team’s consensus is based on the results of all the work they’ve done so far. A thorough investigation could never be accomplished if every individual team member was working towards establishing a different theory.

Just one point to make. It is not criminal IF MBM knowingly arranged for another person to care for the children. Even for ‘good reasons’ is not abduction if an arrangement was made by the parent. This makes sense to me because it’s quite common for children to be tended by family members for brief or longer periods of time.

But as time marches on I’m less convinced care-giving is what occurred as by now everyone involved would’ve surely have grown weary of the unnecessary secrecy.

As for misleading police with false information. I’m not sure if that’s considered ‘criminal’ or not. It seems it’s far more serious to falsely accuse another person of a criminal offence than it is to claim one’s children wandered off but I’m not an expert. From time to time people who falsely cause searches or other futile work for various government agencies are penalized with the cost but I don’t ever recall anyone thrown in jail for long periods of time over it. The reason for this I assume is that In Canada our prison system is built on rehabilitation and reintegration of criminals back into society, as opposed to punishment as it is in other countries such as the United States.
JMO

Criminal Code

Federal laws of Canada

laws-lois.justice.gc.ca

Abduction

• 283(1) Everyone who, being the parent, guardian or person having the lawful care or charge of a child under the age of 14 years, takes, entices away, conceals, detains, receives or harbours that child, whether or not there is an order referred to in subsection 282(1) in respect of the child , with intent to deprive a parent, guardian or any other person who has the lawful care or charge of that child, of the possession of that child, is guilty of
  • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
  • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Yes, I considered whether hiding one’s own children away is criminal or not. I classified it in my own mind as a crime, in this case, if that’s what happened, as some sort of fraud or at least mischief that has been perpetrated. I agree, it would be a relatively minor offense, but I believe, still a crime. Police resources were deployed and wasted, search and rescue resources deployed, and at some risk to the searchers, as well as the emotional toll on a community, etc.

As such, I am assuming law enforcement is only considering “children wandered away” as the only scenario that is non-criminal. Strictly my one opinion.

Edited because I’m completely incapable of avoiding at least 1 typo!

 

[TMich6811]

I learned early on in my WS past to note what LE does, not what they say.

A stepmother blugeoned (stabbed, burned, shot) a "missing child" to death. She was clearly their prime suspect, but right up until her arrest, they maintained that it was a missing persons case.

LE doesn't appear to be saturating the planet with photos of the missing children nor putting family front and center to plead for their safe return nor requesting the lady with the loose curls or the owner of the hood car to come forward.

So; again, based on my education here and from watching Criminals Minds, LE is not behaving like two little lives are hanging in the balance (are alive and must be found) and more like they're "working the case".

I watch and wait.

JMO

Love this

 

[su5ie]

I learned early on in my WS past to note what LE does, not what they say.

A stepmother blugeoned (stabbed, burned, shot) a "missing child" to death. She was clearly their prime suspect, but right up until her arrest, they maintained that it was a missing persons case.

LE doesn't appear to be saturating the planet with photos of the missing children nor putting family front and center to plead for their safe return nor requesting the lady with the loose curls or the owner of the hood car to come forward.

So; again, based on my education here and from watching Criminals Minds, LE is not behaving like two little lives are hanging in the balance (are alive and must be found) and more like they're "working the case".

I watch and wait.

JMO

I love your post and really appreciate you sharing your observations.

I did wonder why new photos weren't being officially released or a presser with the parent wasn't held . Other than a few breadcrumbs of information regarding what has been done up until this point there is not really a public urgency from the RCMP

 

[MistyWaters]

I learned early on in my WS past to note what LE does, not what they say.

A stepmother blugeoned (stabbed, burned, shot) a "missing child" to death. She was clearly their prime suspect, but right up until her arrest, they maintained that it was a missing persons case.

LE doesn't appear to be saturating the planet with photos of the missing children nor putting family front and center to plead for their safe return nor requesting the lady with the loose curls or the owner of the hood car to come forward.

So; again, based on my education here and from watching Criminals Minds, LE is not behaving like two little lives are hanging in the balance (are alive and must be found) and more like they're "working the case".

I watch and wait.

JMO

I agree, the RCMP certainly isn’t giving any indication they are looking for a suspect or even looking for the children. For me that’s another indication the case does not involve criminality, aside from the fact the RCMP would never knowingly lie on documents presented to the court.

The fire bans in N.S. are beginning to get lifted, as autumn descends and leaves fall from the trees my lastest theory is the RCMP will announce another search along with cadaver dogs. This time the children will be found, their bodies within a tangled clump of trees, where they hid from everybody trying to find them, not far from their home.
JMO