CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

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In other reports iirc it’s mentioned he drove MBMs vehicle.

 

[BCSleuth]

We believe it was two different vehicles based on the fact that DMs vehicle was not drivable.

He said, "my vehicle never moved out of the yard that night." Seems pretty obvious to me which yard and which vehicle he was talking about. If he was talking about his dead vehicle he would have said where it was and that it is dead.

 

[sunspun]

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So "in an interview on Friday" (do we know which Friday they mean?), DM said, “My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night..."

Well, he's obviously talking about the yard of the home from where the children went missing. Not his father's property or anywhere else. And by "my vehicle", I don't think he would mean MBM's car. I suppose he might mean his ATV. But does that seem likely? If he thought the neighbor was talking about an ATV, that might make sense, but I don't know if there's any reason to think that. Unless it would be common to refer to ATVs as specifically "5 speeds", as the neighbor reportedly specified. I still don't know if the neighbor would say that's what he meant or not though.

It sounds to me like when DM says "my vehicle", he's likely referring to the vehicle he owns and did drive, up until it became undrivable due to needing repairs that he couldn't afford at the time. I believe this to be a "black sedan", because that's how it was described in a video about this case mentioned recently upthread. But this video took place at DM's father's property, which is where, by the time the video was shot, DM's car was parked.

It would be good to know when his car was moved away from DM's and over to the father's place. I don't know the date of that video, but once that is known, all we could say we know is that the car was at father's at least by that date, but no telling how long before.

I wonder how they got it over there. It's not very far, IIRC, so just because it needed work, doesn't mean they couldn't still have driven it over there. Otherwise, was it towed? Why move it if they would have to go to that much trouble?

Did someone actually state it was undrivable, or was it just said to be in need of repairs? When DM said, "“My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night. And it never moved out of that yard the following day,” it certainly doesn't sound to me like he's talking about a car that was totally undrivable. I still don't know for certain he was talking about his own car in that statement though anyway.

I think he was though. And I also think it may need work, so he no longer drives it, but that it's still drivable if he really needed to, maybe for only short distances, and it's probably not currently insured and may have expired tags, and I also think that this is the black sedan that is now parked at his father's, but that it was on his (DM's) property the night before they disappeared, and that it was moved shortly after that night. And last but not least, I also think this car is relatively loud, would be familiar and recognizable to his nearest neighbors even just by its sound, AND that it is a type of vehicle that his neighbor would call "a five-speed". But that's all JMO.

 

[TMich6811]

Do we know for sure he doesn’t have multiple vehicles - one of which has been sitting as his fathers waiting for repairs?

 

[sunspun]

Do we know for sure he doesn’t have multiple vehicles - one of which has been sitting as his fathers waiting for repairs?

That's one thing I don't know, this is true.

 

[MistyWaters]

So "in an interview on Friday" (do we know which Friday they mean?), DM said, “My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night..."

Well, he's obviously talking about the yard of the home from where the children went missing. Not his father's property or anywhere else. And by "my vehicle", I don't think he would mean MBM's car. I suppose he might mean his ATV. But does that seem likely? If he thought the neighbor was talking about an ATV, that might make sense, but I don't know if there's any reason to think that. Unless it would be common to refer to ATVs as specifically "5 speeds", as the neighbor reportedly specified. I still don't know if the neighbor would say that's what he meant or not though.

It sounds to me like when DM says "my vehicle", he's likely referring to the vehicle he owns and did drive, up until it became undrivable due to needing repairs that he couldn't afford at the time. I believe this to be a "black sedan", because that's how it was described in a video about this case mentioned recently upthread. But this video took place at DM's father's property, which is where, by the time the video was shot, DM's car was parked.

It would be good to know when his car was moved away from DM's and over to the father's place. I don't know the date of that video, but once that is known, all we could say we know is that the car was at father's at least by that date, but no telling how long before.

I wonder how they got it over there. It's not very far, IIRC, so just because it needed work, doesn't mean they couldn't still have driven it over there. Otherwise, was it towed? Why move it if they would have to go to that much trouble?

Did someone actually state it was undrivable, or was it just said to be in need of repairs? When DM said, "“My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night. And it never moved out of that yard the following day,” it certainly doesn't sound to me like he's talking about a car that was totally undrivable. I still don't know for certain he was talking about his own car in that statement though anyway.

I think he was though. And I also think it may need work, so he no longer drives it, but that it's still drivable if he really needed to, maybe for only short distances, and it's probably not currently insured and may have expired tags, and I also think that this is the black sedan that is now parked at his father's, but that it was on his (DM's) property the night before they disappeared, and that it was moved shortly after that night. And last but not least, I also think this car is relatively loud, would be familiar and recognizable to his nearest neighbors even just by its sound, AND that it is a type of vehicle that his neighbor would call "a five-speed". But that's all JMO.

Don’t you think the RCMP would’ve followed up on this tip to ask the tipster for a description of DMs vehicle, since he somehow identified it by the sound?

That’s assuming the vehicle was indeed heard during the night of May 1 and 2nd. But I can’t think of how anyone driving back and forth several times relates to the non-criminal missing persons investigation?

 

[Chimera]

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I remember waaay back, reading that DM had said that, about his searching for the kids either that day or very early in the morning.
So, which was it, DM ?
To be fair, it does sound like a contradiction of sorts.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

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So "in an interview on Friday" (do we know which Friday they mean?), DM said, “My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night..."

Well, he's obviously talking about the yard of the home from where the children went missing. Not his father's property or anywhere else. And by "my vehicle", I don't think he would mean MBM's car. I suppose he might mean his ATV. But does that seem likely? If he thought the neighbor was talking about an ATV, that might make sense, but I don't know if there's any reason to think that. Unless it would be common to refer to ATVs as specifically "5 speeds", as the neighbor reportedly specified. I still don't know if the neighbor would say that's what he meant or not though.

It sounds to me like when DM says "my vehicle", he's likely referring to the vehicle he owns and did drive, up until it became undrivable due to needing repairs that he couldn't afford at the time. I believe this to be a "black sedan", because that's how it was described in a video about this case mentioned recently upthread. But this video took place at DM's father's property, which is where, by the time the video was shot, DM's car was parked.

It would be good to know when his car was moved away from DM's and over to the father's place. I don't know the date of that video, but once that is known, all we could say we know is that the car was at father's at least by that date, but no telling how long before.

I wonder how they got it over there. It's not very far, IIRC, so just because it needed work, doesn't mean they couldn't still have driven it over there. Otherwise, was it towed? Why move it if they would have to go to that much trouble?

Did someone actually state it was undrivable, or was it just said to be in need of repairs? When DM said, "“My vehicle never moved out of the yard that night. And it never moved out of that yard the following day,” it certainly doesn't sound to me like he's talking about a car that was totally undrivable. I still don't know for certain he was talking about his own car in that statement though anyway.

I think he was though. And I also think it may need work, so he no longer drives it, but that it's still drivable if he really needed to, maybe for only short distances, and it's probably not currently insured and may have expired tags, and I also think that this is the black sedan that is now parked at his father's, but that it was on his (DM's) property the night before they disappeared, and that it was moved shortly after that night. And last but not least, I also think this car is relatively loud, would be familiar and recognizable to his nearest neighbors even just by its sound, AND that it is a type of vehicle that his neighbor would call "a five-speed". But that's all JMO.

Emphasis mine.
Was the link for the (bolded) DM quote, upthread ?
Tia.

I am getting behind in this case but it doesn't sounds like much progress has been made.

 

[MistyWaters]

This CBC report refers to “Friday”, this was first published this past Friday, Oct 17th.


BBM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-children-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

“In a phone interview Friday, Martell said no one from the family left the property that night and they did not have any visitors.

He said the only vehicle that left the yard was on the morning the children went missing, when he took Murray-Brooks' SUV to look for the children.

"It's not loud by any stretch of the imagination," he said.”

 

[Lalalacasbah]

For what purpose would any one car come and go that many times in one night? I'm at a loss. Imo not transactions of some kind, that would be different cars coming and then leaving.

Catching up, I'm so behind..

If not DM coming and going and someone else, they could've been scouting out the place, areas and roads if planning to do something in the morning. Or working up courage if they were going to try to do something that night.

I can't help think of BK/Idaho 4... how he drove around that block multiple times waiting for lights to go out and getting up the nerve. MOO JMO

 

[Hexe]

"As soon as I seen they were gone, immediately jumped in the car and did all the dirt roads, all the culverts, checked over the rivers and streams. As soon as I got home 10 minutes later, I headed out on foot.”

Two Nova Scotia children are still missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing from their home in Pictou County on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

The Globe and Mail has been paywalled for me for some tine, so I cannot check what was written before the bit you quoted, but...

...here is the text published five days before the one you provided. Daniel states there that:

"As soon as I noticed that I didn’t hear anything, I immediately jumped out of bed," he said in an interview outside the home. "I searched the bedrooms and looked in the backyard because they go looking for bugs and grass to feed the chickens … and when I noticed they weren’t there, I jumped in my vehicle and surveyed every dirt road and culvert I could find."

Seems to me quote you provided misses a bit of context which would make it obvious that by saying "As soon as I seen they were gone" Daniel meant "as soon as I was sure they were not on the property".
It seems also he said he searched the property, it just got redacted out from some publications.

 

[OneLove]

Dbm

 

[Sarahlou]

The Globe and Mail has been paywalled for me for some tine, so I cannot check what was written before the bit you quoted, but...

...here is the text published five days before the one you provided. Daniel states there that:



Seems to me quote you provided misses a bit of context which would make it obvious that by saying "As soon as I seen they were gone" Daniel meant "as soon as I was sure they were not on the property".
It seems also he said he searched the property, it just got redacted out from some publications.

There was no mention of searching bedrooms in this article. I wouldn't post something out of context. This is the part beforehand - it said Daniel talks about what happened that morning and then includes his quote:

“Lily came into the room multiple times. I seen her that morning and Jack was out playing in the kitchen, I’m guessing, and they slid open the back sliding door. It’s almost like silent to hear it sliding. They slid it open – the boots were right beside the door and they proceeded to, I’m guessing, playing outside. They must’ve got out through the back fence and then they were gone"

Two Nova Scotia children are still missing. Here’s a timeline of key events since the siblings vanished

Six-year-old Lilly Sullivan and her four-year-old brother Jack were reported missing from their home in Pictou County on May 2

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Andreee]

Catching up, I'm so behind..

If not DM coming and going and someone else, they could've been scouting out the place, areas and roads if planning to do something in the morning. Or working up courage if they were going to try to do something that night.

I can't help think of BK/Idaho 4... how he drove around that block multiple times waiting for lights to go out and getting up the nerve. MOO JMO

I'm thinking maybe someone working on their car late at night and testing it out by driving a short way and returning home and continuing to do same.

 

[Sjöberg]

I, personally, still can see this case going in any direction, mostly 1) died in the wilderness, 2) killed by a family member or 3) kidnapped (with different motives and outcomes).

IMO 1 is simply most likely both as an event itself and as an event with two kids, it is also the only one I feel that is actually supported by the known evidence.
With nr 2, I still feel there is lack of: motive (especially if these kids were a possible source of income in the future or even currently), suspect (M and D passed polygraphs and J was not suitable for the test; family and friends do not seem to think that any one of them is the most likely suspect; police saying after all the warrants of property and electronics etc that they don't believe the case is criminal in nature) and, especially, the crime scene.

If you suspect the kids could have been killed what are your ideas on 1) where, 2) how and 3) why?

 

[Serononin]

Do we know for sure he doesn’t have multiple vehicles - one of which has been sitting as his fathers waiting for repairs?

I remember seeing quite a lot of vehicles in the early pictures of the property, although I assume some of them were the cars of people who had arrived to help with the search.

My biggest question is, if he was doing something that might that he didn't want other people to know about, why he would take his own, loud vehicle rather than M's reportedly very quiet new car

 

[starlightstarbright]

I thought most parents check in on their young children before they themselves go to bed? Just peek through the doorway, using the light from the hall and using their ears to hear the children breathing.

I’m not sure I’ve ever checked on one of my children unless they were ill and I was worried about their breathing or that they might vomit or that I thought they were up to something.

What strikes me as interesting is turning the light on to check on the children in the middle of the night stands in such contrast to neither parent getting out of bed to tend to them, get them dressed, feed them breakfast, and make sure they didn’t disappear the next morning. I don’t necessarily think it means that either of them necessarily caused the children harm, but it just seems symptomatic of a scattered and chaotic home life. JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

This article from a few days ago says there were 2 different neighbors who heard vehicle or car activity during the night before Lilly and Jack disappeared:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-children-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

 

[lastkiss]

Don’t you think the RCMP would’ve followed up on this tip to ask the tipster for a description of DMs vehicle, since he somehow identified it by the sound?

That’s assuming the vehicle was indeed heard during the night of May 1 and 2nd. But I can’t think of how anyone driving back and forth several times relates to the non-criminal missing persons investigation?

The RCMP may well have followed up on it. In fact I am sure they will have. It doesn’t mean they would have made any findings public.

They have also said that they have found no reason to believe the that the investigation is of a criminal nature. At least that’s the latest update released to the public.

I fail to see how a car moving suspiciously back and forward from the property in the dead of night a few hours before two babies are reported missing would NOT become a potentially important part of the investigation.

The latest updates have changed things for me. Up until now I thought Daniel was being truthful. Now I am not confident in my initial assessment. Which makes me sad, as I feel more than ever now that the children have come to harm. I hope I am wrong.

All MOO.

 

[Ontario Mom]

My biggest question is, if he was doing something that might that he didn't want other people to know about, why he would take his own, loud vehicle rather than M's reportedly very quiet new car

First, he wouldn't. Second, hasn't it already been established his vehicle was undriveable and sitting in his dad's garage?