CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

  • #21
I'm not sure I would be able to tell the difference between a 6 year old and a 10 year old personally, so I'm not stuck on that discrepancy. The witness could be someone who doesn't have kids and has never really been around kids much in her life. If I was close-up and interacting with the child, that would probably be different, but spotting them from a car, I'm not sure I'd make that distinction.
Just for context's sake:

"The documents say police had received hundreds of tips in the case, including one from a witness who said she was travelling with her sons on the morning of May 2 and saw two children walking along the side of the road. Natasha Haywood informed the RCMP on May 31... She described seeing a young girl holding a young boy’s hand — the boy had dirty blond hair and was wearing shorts, while the girl had darkish hair in pigtails and was wearing a tank top with blue strings... When she later met with police, Haywood said she thought the girl was around 9 or 10-years-old and the boy five-years-old, the documents say."
 
  • #22
Just for context's sake:

"The documents say police had received hundreds of tips in the case, including one from a witness who said she was travelling with her sons on the morning of May 2 and saw two children walking along the side of the road. Natasha Haywood informed the RCMP on May 31... She described seeing a young girl holding a young boy’s hand — the boy had dirty blond hair and was wearing shorts, while the girl had darkish hair in pigtails and was wearing a tank top with blue strings... When she later met with police, Haywood said she thought the girl was around 9 or 10-years-old and the boy five-years-old, the documents say."

Thanks for pointing this out
I would guess that someone with children would be a good estimator of age and Lilly appears very little. I feel like she was responsible in reporting what she did but it’s likely unrelated
 
  • #23
Just for context's sake:

"The documents say police had received hundreds of tips in the case, including one from a witness who said she was travelling with her sons on the morning of May 2 and saw two children walking along the side of the road. Natasha Haywood informed the RCMP on May 31... She described seeing a young girl holding a young boy’s hand — the boy had dirty blond hair and was wearing shorts, while the girl had darkish hair in pigtails and was wearing a tank top with blue strings... When she later met with police, Haywood said she thought the girl was around 9 or 10-years-old and the boy five-years-old, the documents say."
Oh jeez, and I read the article too! Complete brain-fart on my part! I used to have such excellent attention to detail once upon a time, before menopause melted my brain.
 
  • #24
Whoever those children were, they were seriously underdressed for early May in the Maritimes. Him in shorts and her in a tank top outdoors? We were still getting snow and sub-zero temps. Everything about this tip is just odd. Well, everything about this case is odd, really.
Humanity does not take care of its children.
 
  • #25
Humanity does not take care of its children.
Thankfully, this is only true in a very small minority of cases of selfish, abusive and neglectful parents.

If all 8 billion of us were busy neglecting our children, life on earth would be an absolute nightmare.
 
  • #26
Thanks for pointing this out
I would guess that someone with children would be a good estimator of age and Lilly appears very little. I feel like she was responsible in reporting what she did but it’s likely unrelated
I don't think it's related either. But I'm glad she reported it all the same. I saw a guy laying on the side of the road once and I was sure he was dead (horrified me!) I reported it, but it turned out he was just drunk & passed out. I was really glad to be wrong, that's for sure.
 
  • #27
I don't think it's related either. But I'm glad she reported it all the same. I saw a guy laying on the side of the road once and I was sure he was dead (horrified me!) I reported it, but it turned out he was just drunk & passed out. I was really glad to be wrong, that's for sure.
This happened to me once also! The dispatcher at 911 asked me if I had checked for a pulse, this was during the days of bathsalts a horrible drug. There was no way I was getting close to him although he really looked dead and he was.
 
  • #28
There is a couple of points in the article that i would like to hear and discuss opinions about


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What does that mean ,when answering specific questions ? And in the final paragraph where it states " contrary to what brookes- murray had told police " does this mean as regards to cody seeing the children or child support . In my view both indicate maleyha is capable of lying under stress ??? Interested to hear others views of this

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Will look up and post loose curl haircuts on 50 to 60 year old women 🤣🤣
 
  • #29
There is a couple of points in the article that i would like to hear and discuss opinions about


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What does that mean ,when answering specific questions ? And in the final paragraph where it states " contrary to what brookes- murray had told police " does this mean as regards to cody seeing the children or child support . In my view both indicate maleyha is capable of lying under stress ??? Interested to hear others views of this

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Will look up and post loose curl haircuts on 50 to 60 year old women 🤣🤣

Didn’t one of the G&M articles claim the biodad wasn’t paying child support, that’s the discrepancy. No idea how the writer knows what she told police. That was the same one that said she wasn’t collecting child benefits either because DM hadn’t filed his income tax. The unknown source was not Malehya, as the reporter clarified she wasn’t interviewed.

It can’t be fairly stated she lied during the polygraph without knowing if the question was even asked but I kind of doubt it would be pertinent to the missing children investigation. Whether he was paying or not would be easy enough for the RCMP to verify through banking records.

Maybe the unknown G&M source lied to garner sympathy by making it appear MBM was extremely financially destitute?
Maybe MBM strung the source along with a sob story in order to borrow money?
Either way, it probably isn’t a big deal unless child support is key to the disappearance of the children.

JMO

Edit- poor spelling and clarity
 
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  • #30
Maybe biodad paid when he was able and did not when he was not able. This would make it true that he paid child support and also that he wasn’t paying child support.
I’m sure there was an article somewhere that said he had been paying child support until he lost his job.

IMO
 
  • #31
Hhmmm loose curls haircut to me... I think of:

1. Permed-like layered/longer hair with bigger curls. So not a tight perm but loose as sounds like hair has length vs clipped short to the head. Loose to me sounds like movement/length? So not those old lady type short haired set curled hair styles that's old fashioned (no offence to old lady hairstyles! :) )
2. Mullet/80s hair
2. Shag cut/Wolf cut (but too trendy for a 60yr old?) - similar to above #2 just a modern name

All JMO MOO
 
  • #32
Didn’t one of the G&M articles claim the biodad wasn’t paying child support, that’s the discrepancy. No idea how the writer knows what she told police. That was the same one that said she wasn’t collecting child benefits either because DM hadn’t filed his income tax. The unknown source was not Malehya, as the reporter clarified she wasn’t interviewed.

It can’t be fairly stated she lied during the polygraph without knowing if the question was even asked but I kind of doubt it would be pertinent to the missing children investigation. Whether he was paying or not would be easy enough for the RCMP to verify through banking records.

Maybe the unknown G&M source lied to garner sympathy by making it appear MBM was extremely financially destitute?
Maybe MBM strung the source along with a sob story in order to borrow money?
Either way, it probably isn’t a big deal unless child support is key to the disappearance of the children.

JMO

Edit- poor spelling and clarity
Yes i had wondered why this was added myself and thats why i wondered what others opinions were . Seems like an unnecessary add as you have pointed out , it is personal business and not anything that was going to lead to a finding of the children .
 
  • #33
Maybe biodad paid when he was able and did not when he was not able. This would make it true that he paid child support and also that he wasn’t paying child support.
I’m sure there was an article somewhere that said he had been paying child support until he lost his job.

IMO
Yes i recall this article
 
  • #34

From the article, which is quite thorough and includes a video:

RCMP scrutiny of missing N.S. children's mother, stepfather suggests no criminal involvement​

"In the early weeks of the investigation, RCMP sought access to all electronic devices and data used by Brooks-Murray and her then boyfriend Daniel Martell during the period between May 1 at 2:25 p.m. and May 2 at 10:27 a.m. when police arrived.

"Location data from various sources including Global Positioning Systems, cell phone tower locations and file metadata can tell investigators the historical location of the device," said RCMP member Cpl. Charlene Curl in her written request to the court.

"Logs such as call logs, chat logs, email logs will show investigators who Malehya and Daniel were in contact with prior to Jack and Lilly going missing and verify the information they have provided to police."

Officers also accessed their bank records, using their transaction histories to cross-reference timelines previously provided to the police by Martell and Brooks-Murray.

"I'm completely open and transparent with everything on the case. They know my life inside and out and I was happy to share it with them," Martell said this week in reaction to the release of the court records.
 
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  • #35

From the article, which is quite thorough and includes a video:

RCMP scrutiny of missing N.S. children's mother, stepfather suggests no criminal involvement​

"In the early weeks of the investigation, RCMP sought access to all electronic devices and data used by Brooks-Murray and her then boyfriend Daniel Martell during the period between May 1 at 2:25 p.m. and May 2 at 10:27 a.m. when police arrived.

"Location data from various sources including Global Positioning Systems, cell phone tower locations and file metadata can tell investigators the historical location of the device," said RCMP member Cpl. Charlene Curl in her written request to the court.

"Logs such as call logs, chat logs, email logs will show investigators who Malehya and Daniel were in contact with prior to Jack and Lilly going missing and verify the information they have provided to police."

Officers also accessed their bank records, using their transaction histories to cross-reference timelines previously provided to the police by Martell and Brooks-Murray.

"I'm completely open and transparent with everything on the case. They know my life inside and out and I was happy to share it with them," Martell said this week in reaction to the release of the court records.
Thank you for posting .

A lot of added imformation in the article . Hmmm are the kids just ouside of the searched zone ? Seems an extensive investigation and it appears to point to the children being lost in the density of the forest .

I would like to know if there is water near the pipeline trail or wild animals capable of attacking children in the pipe line area

I wonder why malehya thought it was cody and didnt confide that in daniel . Was she being hassled prior to the disappearance . I know he is innocent ,im just curious
 
  • #36
I am so troubled by the fact that she took the baby and left the day after the kids disappeared and just completely cut off contact with him. It's very mysterious.
 
  • #37
I am so troubled by the fact that she took the baby and left the day after the kids disappeared and just completely cut off contact with him. It's very mysterious.

Maybe with the tragedy and stress of missing two of her children, she just needed to get back with her family, people and community. She may have blamed him for not watching the kids, not putting a lock on the door, or not getting the fence up. We don't know. Indeed it is a mystery.
 
  • #38
I am so troubled by the fact that she took the baby and left the day after the kids disappeared and just completely cut off contact with him. It's very mysterious.
I agree wholeheartedly it is troubling, and seems to be indicative of something big between them for awhile with her children from another father disappearing being the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

At the very least, IMO, she must have been unhappy with his behavior and/or treatment and used her kids disappearing as a stepping stone out the door to finally leave him -- IIRC, her father said she had been wanting to leave DM for months.

Also IMO (no source links but much of what I'm posting is linked upthread(s) since the beginning when I first heard about their mother leaving never to return so soon after they disappeared and cutting off all contact/blocking DM on SM, DM has seemed to me a bit strident in painting his own picture and getting his version of events and backstory out there ahead of LE arriving even (looked everywhere for x hours using x methods.

So at the worst, she could have taken the opportunity to quit her relationship with him because she herself has suspicions about his involvement or is afraid of him cuz he's been a loose cannon around her and her kids. Admitting Lilly had a black eye from falling on a toy while he was there to observe amd give his version is pink flagish to me.
I flip flop every day about what happened in this case. I decided to make a list to keep the known facts straight in my head. Does anyone have anything to add?

Mom/Stepdad are guilty:
- they break up 48 hours after the disappearance
- neighbor heard car coming & going all night
- previous CPS complaints & history of Lilly having a black eye
- mom left town & didn’t help search
- kids were called in sick to school that day

Mom/Stepdad are innocent:
- passed lie detector tests
- seem genuine & credible
- boot prints in woods
- weird gold car/grandma sighting
Thanks for this, good points/summaries and the one added in another post.

Here's a spinoff scenario with just DM having done something he is covering up, and not Mayehla:

I go back and forth a bit as well as more facts are revealed in MSM, but as I said above and taking it one step further, I have a bad feeling about DM.

Not only how he treated/stepfathered Lilly and Jack with concerns from school & black eyes (plural) on them both IIRC, but if he is a violent bald faced liar with cool outward composure like Chris Watts, a partial family anniahlator in this case -- just the 2 kids who weren't his -- and is pretending really well at the game thinking he was very careful with leaving no evidence of a crime.

SO I do wonder, MOO of course, if he lost his temper with them while Maleyha was asleep with the young one, or was just past his breaking point helping care for them while she focused on their baby, and he could have done them in, and spirited away tbeir bodies wrapped up in something like a tarp or rug while she was sleeping and not noticing whether he was in bed the whole first part of the morning.

This scenario, as awful as it is to contemplate, would fit as a reason why a neighbor reported hearing the 5 WD vehicle coming and going in the night.

For this scenario to "work" with vehicle noise heard & reported by a 3rd party/not a family member saying all was normal and the kids were just home sick with a cough, Lilly and Jack's VOICES would not have been heard that morning as family members said...

BUT they didn't say they saw them (mom & grandmom) except for their mom/DM saying Lilly had come into their room several times.

What if their mom was in and out of conciousness for hours of the morning, and they have room darkening curtains covering the bedroom windows to aid in sleeping in past dawn (young child/baby who wakes easily & DM sometimes working a night shift IIRC), and she only thought she saw Lilly & heard Jack in the kitchen between 7 or 8 - 9 am, but it was more like 4 - 5 am, whenever the time was before sunset?

And it's a stretch of course, but what if their voices had been recorded and were playing in the background on a phone/bluetooth speaker and their mom was so tired and half awake she only thought she heard them?

This scenario of course is just sprung from my imagination, and a bunch of what ifs, but also would fit within the desire by LE to review all CVTV footage in the area AS WELL AS footage of vehicles coming into NS at all. If they were trying to determine if a vehicle was seen leaving the area and going out to the coast or driving onto a ferry and off island.

Just digging deep with more possible sceanrios that come to mind while waiting for something to break.

JMM (just my musings) once again.

Where are Lilly and Jack?? Everyone is praying for you to be found and back home or know if you're in a safe place.

ETA: I've always had a strange reaction to looking at his eyes (DM's), like I want to avoid them. IMOO, they have a strange or spooky looking cast to them, like he may be off or maybe is just wicked tired and mad at the world for his fate in life, or is he mad about any scrutiny aimed his way?

Dunno, but he gives off a vibe that's off in videos I've watched, like he's got a script he's following on all the right things to say for a poor stepdad with missing kids at the same time jumping on his soapbox and grousing about all he's done for the missing kids and how it sucks he's being given dirty looks in the community.... instead of being, I don't know, a very sad dad figure to two little missing kids he's been living with for over 2 years.
 
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  • #39
There is absolutely no indication that DM physically abused the children, to the contrary actually.

“The newly released documents provide summaries of five statements Brooks-Murray provided to the RCMP. In her first police interview, she described Martell as "an involved parent who would help her especially when she was overwhelmed."

She said he wasn't aggressive with the children but "he had a voice they would listen to."

Brooks-Murray told RCMP there was never any physical discipline.”
 
  • #40
I am so troubled by the fact that she took the baby and left the day after the kids disappeared and just completely cut off contact with him. It's very mysterious.

I’ve wondered if she took that drastic step in order to publicly distance herself from Daniel in order to protect Meadow, especially with the possibility of a looming threat of CPS involvement.

There was that heated argument on the property and I imagine it was within earshot of the police or others involved in the investigation. Add to that the commotion of the search and the conditions of the home, and it may have made it a boiling point for the police where Meadow’s welfare was concerned. They may have wanted Meadow to leave the property and be separate from Daniel.

Daniel downplayed CPS’s involvement and I initially didn’t find that to ring true, but maybe it was. Officials may have wanted to placate him to keep involved and talking because of the ongoing search. I’ve heard the questions about why hasn’t he been charged with drug possession or child endangerment or abuse, and I imagine the police have had to choose their battles as the two children are missing, and likely on Daniel’s family’s property. They can get warrants, but having him and his family as allies and cooperative is important at the moment. Or maybe losing some rights to his children will be seen as punishment enough.

The argument at the home was about possible drug use and Daniel having something to do with the disappearance, so I think the police or CPS decided to shield Meadow from him until they could establish that she was safe in his care. He has been very vocal this whole time, but we haven’t heard that he’s regained custody of her or that he now has unsupervised visits, so I think there were good reasons involved with him losing custody, and there’s a chance the issues may be ongoing. The last we’ve heard he also hasn’t had visits by his other two children either.

Malehya leaving and changing her FB status to single, all while cutting Daniel off, might have something to do with showing CPS and the world that Daniel would have no access to Meadow if Meadow is in her custody.

It may have been clear to Malehya during that SAR briefing that she was at a crossroad, and her mother being present gave her options she otherwise may not have previously had. The possible tone of the briefing may have added to that. The police during SAR searches tend to give very sober assessments of the situation. It was near freezing over the first night and the children were likely underdressed and exposed to the elements. So by the afternoon of day two, the police may have said that those conditions, and also the statistics for finding them alive in that dangerous terrain after so many hours, were working against them. Meanwhile, Meadow possibly needed to be out of that environment. So maybe Malehya decided to save the one child in her arms.

Why she hasn’t made visible efforts in the search while separate and apart is a big mystery to me. It may come down to the perimeters of the search area and who the property owners are. If it’s primarily Daniel’s family’s land, she may feel she’s powerless. But she has a voice and no shortage of media who would be happy to give her or a designated spokesperson a platform to keep the search alive in the minds of the public.

Meanwhile, two little children are likely mouldering on the ground and should be found and given the respect of a proper burial. It seems they were neglected at points in their lives, taking care of them in death is the least they deserve.

^^My views only, based on what I’ve gleaned from MSM coverage.
 

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