CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Alice Ramnit]

It is breaking my heart that the search for Jack and Lilly seems to be becoming a cold case.

 

[calzone.gov]

It is breaking my heart that the search for Jack and Lilly seems to be becoming a cold case.

Same, I haven’t heard significant news coverage in ages. Even the YouTube creators that were covering it haven’t picked back up speaking about the case.
IMO

 

[Alice Ramnit]

Same, I haven’t heard significant news coverage in ages. Even the YouTube creators that were covering it haven’t picked back up speaking about the case.
IMO

I have no doubt that the authorities are still working behind the scenes but it's really sad that it seems like no single adult in their lives seems interested or willing to use the media to keep their search publicized.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I have no doubt that the authorities are still working behind the scenes but it's really sad that it seems like no single adult in their lives seems interested or willing to use the media to keep their search publicized.

In the beginning of this case DM was interested and willing to speak with just about anyone who wanted to speak to him. He was raked over the coals in spades as a result. Maybe all the other adults in this family saw what happened to him and have decided to avoid the press and let the RCMP handle it?

 

[Mauig’ma]

In the beginning of this case DM was interested and willing to speak with just about anyone who wanted to speak to him. He was raked over the coals in spades as a result. Maybe all the other adults in this family saw what happened to him and have decided to avoid the press and let the RCMP handle it?

If both my young children weren’t home cuddling next to me I don’t think I’d feel the RCMP are doing enough. I would beg podcasters, reporters and anyone who would listen. I would want their faces plastered on every door. I’d be hollering from the rooftops for someone to help. Regardless of bad comments etc. moo

 

[Alice Ramnit]

If both my young children weren’t home cuddling next to me I don’t think I’d feel the RCMP are doing enough. I would beg podcasters, reporters and anyone who would listen. I would want their faces plastered on every door. I’d be hollering from the rooftops for someone to help. Regardless of bad comments etc. moo

YES! ME TOO!!

 

[Ontario Mom]

If both my young children weren’t home cuddling next to me I don’t think I’d feel the RCMP are doing enough. I would beg podcasters, reporters and anyone who would listen. I would want their faces plastered on every door. I’d be hollering from the rooftops for someone to help. Regardless of bad comments etc. moo

DM did all that. It doesn't appear to have made any difference since the kids are still missing.

 

[Alice Ramnit]

DM did all that. It doesn't appear to have made any difference since the kids are still missing.

Nobody could forget that Tori Stafford was missing because she appeared on the news every single day appealing for help in finding her daughter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/timeline-of-tori-stafford-s-abduction-1.962057

 

[ChatteringBirds]

I do not think it was norm how they were treated, however the

What about how these kids were treated at home do you think was not the norm?

 

[steff13]

Wait, how were they treated at home?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Nobody could forget that Tori Stafford was missing because she appeared on the news every single day appealing for help in finding her daughter.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/timeline-of-tori-stafford-s-abduction-1.962057

I live in the same town Tori was kidnapped from and I have mutual friends with both her parents and her brother. IMO, Jack and Lilly's case isn't even close to the same as Tori's case, or how it was eventually solved. The one thing it does have in common with Tori's case, is how both her parents were put through hell & accused of all sorts of things - before the public found out they literally had nothing to do with her kidnapping, vile assault, and murder.

 

[Serononin]

Wait, how were they treated at home?

We don't know the details, only that something prompted the children's school to contact CPS. The Globe and Mail (I think it was?) reported that an anonymous source from the school told them it was because the children were showing signs of neglect (like not having clean clothes or being appropriately dressed for the weather), but obviously we don't know if that's true, and we don't know what the outcome of the investigation would have been if the children hadn't disappeared.

There have also been allegations by a family member that DM was controlling of MBM, but if that's the case, we don't know if he exhibited that sort of behaviour towards the children.

All in all, a lot of things that raise more questions than they answer, as so often happens with cases like this

 

[Alice Ramnit]

I live in the same town Tori was kidnapped from and I have mutual friends with both her parents and her brother. IMO, Jack and Lilly's case isn't even close to the same as Tori's case, or how it was eventually solved. The one thing it does have in common with Tori's case, is how both her parents were put through hell & accused of all sorts of things - before the public found out they literally had nothing to do with her kidnapping, vile assault, and murder.

I agree that the cases are completely different. I also remember how the public treated her in social media forums. I am just saying that in the context of missing children and using the media to their own advantage, she and Rodney did it well.

 

[Cedars]

I agree that the cases are completely different. I also remember how the public treated her in social media forums. I am just saying that in the context of missing children and using the media to their own advantage, she and Rodney did it well.

However, in Tori's case there was actual video footqage of her being led away by an unknown woman.

I'm not sure whether it was the first case of an actual abduction being caught on camera, but it was extraordinary at the time and IMO, that put it continually in the news.

IMO, once the media get hold of compelling visuals like that, they look for any excuse to replay it.

JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

What about how these kids were treated at home do you think was not the norm?

Replying to you and @steff13.... @Serononin kindly responded regarding the article that insinuates possible hardships at the home. Thank you @Serononin

Sorry, I should have clarified. It's a touchy subject so I was trying to be careful of my wording!

I was more or less trying to say some things may be relative and might be considered socioeconomic, ie: growing up in "the hood" in East LA would be different than upstate New York. What is "normal" for kids in low income and/or rural areas could be quite different from upper middle class suburbs.

I do not think it has been proven there was neglect/abuse. There was concern and reports filed it sounds like.

To play devil's advocate here I think it's possible if someone was vindictive they could make a false call to CPS to get social services on the family however a school or teacher wouldn't do this. An ex or friend/family with a grudge might though. All MOO JMO

 

[LadyL]

If both my young children weren’t home cuddling next to me I don’t think I’d feel the RCMP are doing enough. I would beg podcasters, reporters and anyone who would listen. I would want their faces plastered on every door. I’d be hollering from the rooftops for someone to help. Regardless of bad comments etc. moo

maybe they have survivor's guilt knowing that had they gotten out of bed that morning, their children would now be at home cuddling with them

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Replying to you and @steff13.... @Serononin kindly responded regarding the article that insinuates possible hardships at the home. Thank you @Serononin

Sorry, I should have clarified. It's a touchy subject so I was trying to be careful of my wording!

I was more or less trying to say some things may be relative and might be considered socioeconomic, ie: growing up in "the hood" in East LA would be different than upstate New York. What is "normal" for kids in low income and/or rural areas could be quite different from upper middle class suburbs.

I do not think it has been proven there was neglect/abuse. There was concern and reports filed it sounds like.

To play devil's advocate here I think it's possible if someone was vindictive they could make a false call to CPS to get social services on the family however a school or teacher wouldn't do this. An ex or friend/family with a grudge might though. All MOO JMO

Given it was the school that reported it I think the report was valid

 

[Twistinginthewind]

In both Canada and the US, a person is considered innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt. How could a murder charge be proven beyond reasonable doubt based on a scenario that the children allegedly perished in the forest because they were scared of DM? Maybe they didn’t know their mom phoned the school early that morning and they hid because they hated going to school? Maybe they saw a butterfly or a squirrel, chasing it, hoping to catch it until they were eventually too exhausted to find their way back home? How can anyone ever know what was on their minds when whatever happened that day without reasonable doubt being raised?

I just can’t imagine a prosecutor deeming it worth a try, or a judge approving such a charge because it would be based solely on speculation, as opposed to evidence. I don’t think anyone wants a justice system going down that road.
JMO

As I said in my post, only if there was evidence of a pattern of abuse, fear, hiding, running away that was some level of proof of them being driven into a more vulnerable situation. Not based on hearsay, or speculation, of course.

An example of some level of proof of this possibility would be IF MBM has an incidental video(s) of DM getting loud and angry and directing it at the children (e.g., on Xmas morning as she was filming them opening presents & things got tense), and them crying or screaming and running away from him, which she could have provided to LE after she left -- this would be if at first MBM said the positive stuff about him because she felt she had to or was afraid of him or him holding her down and taking her phone away.

Another example of some level of proof would be IF LE has heard from interviewing their neighbors or the store clerk at the Dollarama that DM lost his cool and yelled at them in the "voice they would listen to".

So IF there was any type of proof as in these examples, which are hypothetical, that DM was too heavy handed with Lilly & Jack and wasn't able to control his temper and yelled at them and other people heard it and can testify to it...

And IF LE knows & trusts that evidence and finds other corroborating evidence he did tell them to pipe down in a stern voice or raised a hand in a threatening manner, and scared them before other times driving them outside AND he heard the sliding door open & close & didn't go look to see right away if they had gone outside....

Then, IMO, IF they perished thereafter, he would be culpable in their demise, and would be charged.

It doesn't really make a difference, IMO, if yelling "literally" could lead to charges.

It's what would be the filling between the 2 pieces of bread that would make the sandwich that matters.

Connecting of dots and patterns between hypothetical point A (he could have yelled at them & scared them) & B (they ran outside never to be seen alive again).

JMO as always

 

[steff13]

Given it was the school that reported it I think the report was valid

Right, but DM said it was due to the children's behavior as school. I hadn't read anything that said that his statement regarding the children's behavior was untrue versus bruising or whatever else people were saying.

 

[MistyWaters]

As I said in my post, only if there was evidence of a pattern of abuse, fear, hiding, running away that was some level of proof of them being driven into a more vulnerable situation. Not based on hearsay, or speculation, of course.

An example of some level of proof of this possibility would be IF MBM has an incidental video(s) of DM getting loud and angry and directing it at the children (e.g., on Xmas morning as she was filming them opening presents & things got tense), and them crying or screaming and running away from him, which she could have provided to LE after she left -- this would be if at first MBM said the positive stuff about him because she felt she had to or was afraid of him or him holding her down and taking her phone away.

Another example of some level of proof would be IF LE has heard from interviewing their neighbors or the store clerk at the Dollarama that DM lost his cool and yelled at them in the "voice they would listen to".

So IF there was any type of proof as in these examples, which are hypothetical, that DM was too heavy handed with Lilly & Jack and wasn't able to control his temper and yelled at them and other people heard it and can testify to it...

And IF LE knows & trusts that evidence and finds other corroborating evidence he did tell them to pipe down in a stern voice or raised a hand in a threatening manner, and scared them before other times driving them outside AND he heard the sliding door open & close & didn't go look to see right away if they had gone outside....

Then, IMO, IF they perished thereafter, he would be culpable in their demise, and would be charged.

It doesn't really make a difference, IMO, if yelling "literally" could lead to charges.

It's what would be the filling between the 2 pieces of bread that would make the sandwich that matters.

Connecting of dots and patterns between hypothetical point A (he could have yelled at them & scared them) & B (they ran outside never to be seen alive again).

JMO as always

There were two adults in bed together that morning. What about Maleyha? Her witness recollection of that important morning is really what matters, as opposed to prior unrelated happenings. She has spoken to police already and apparently ‘cleared’ DM. Therefore connecting the dots isn’t required, she was right there and surely would’ve woken up if a lot of yelling had taken place.

If the children‘s bodies are eventually found in the forest, there’s no way to prove aside from speculation what was the reason they’d wandered off. Thankfully in Canada a conviction cannot be based on speculation.