CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[OneLove]

She has spoken to police already and apparently ‘cleared’ DM. Therefore connecting the dots isn’t required, she was right there and surely would’ve woken up if a lot of yelling had taken place.

~~Respectfully snipped for brevity

Yes, it is true she spoke to police and 'cleared' DM. However, anyone can say anything; it doesn't necessarily mean it's true as we have seen over and over and over again in far too many cases here at Websleuths that eventually have sad and murderous outcomes. Its important to take any statements made with a grain of salt until there is proof to back them up.

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, it is true she spoke to police and 'cleared' DM. However, anyone can say anything; it doesn't necessarily mean it's true as we have seen over and over and over again in far too many cases here at Websleuths that eventually have sad and murderous outcomes. Its important to take any statements made with a grain of salt until there is proof to back them up.

How can Maleyha prove her statements to police for what she recalled that particular morning, other that the polygraph tests which have already been administered? Nothing I’ve noticed indicates DM is a suspect. Until the RCMP provide future updates all we really know is as of July 16th they did not believe criminality was involved in the children’s disappearance.

 

[Slebby]

Right, but DM said it was due to the children's behavior as school. I hadn't read anything that said that his statement regarding the children's behavior was untrue versus bruising or whatever else people were saying.

if the reasons given by DM for the CPS investigation is not accurate, I’m not sure who is going to come forward to refute his claim. The school authorities as well as CPS would be bound by privacy and would not/could not say anything otherwise. Perhaps time will tell us conclusively what the reasons were for the CPS investigation of this family, but I personally would be surprised if the CPS visited the family to assess their home life because of, according to DM, learning difficulties at school (as reported in the Globe and Mail, August 8, 2025)

Imho

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Right, but DM said it was due to the children's behavior as school. I hadn't read anything that said that his statement regarding the children's behavior was untrue versus bruising or whatever else people were saying.

Not sure about Canada but the country I live in, child protective services would never attend a family house due to a report from the school about behavioural issues. A school would never report behavioural issues to child protective services here.

 

[steff13]

Not sure about Canada but the country I live in, child protective services would never attend a family house due to a report from the school about behavioural issues. A school would never report behavioural issues to child protective services here.

Well I don't know about Canada either but in my state they would if they had attempted to engage with the parents and the parents had not been open to that, and the children's behavior had either not improved or gotten worse. Particularly if they suspected the child was on the autism spectrum and needed additional interventions that the parent was either refusing or not engaging with. That would be classed as neglect.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Hopefully there will be a break in the case soon, and they'll be found. There are plenty of red flags with their home life, IMO.

I can imagine the 2 CPS memos that have been cited in MSM - 1 dated on the day they disappeared!!, and 1 two weeks later that went higher up the gov'tal chain - would have redactions if they or their content are ever released to the public because there was something wrong at home, IMO.

That went beyond potential learning issues in the 2 kids, self-reported (ETA: self-claimed) drug use & anger & violence issues by DM, and a "sometimes overwhelmed" mom of 3 with an 18 month old who was a full time stay at home mom, for a 2 year old & 5 year old to vanish while mom n dad were sleeping in on a day when they should have been at school but were called in sick due to a cough, right before their school was due to assess them.

ETA: And them having been seen at The Dollarama store the day before with MBM, DM & little half sis Meadow, so not too sick to be out in public & go shopping, but too sick for school the next morning, with that sighting & them captured on store video being the last time LE has a record of Proof of Life for the missing children.

MOO

 

[su5ie]

Well my feelings and thoughts at this stage are probably irrelevant, the kids are missing since May the 2nd ,it is now September the 9th and not one word from the mother who gave birth to them . Think about that !!! Not one report in a newspaper of blood relatives out in the forest searching . Have another honest think about that. And come back with a heartfelt answer and the excuse you would wholeheartedly feel appropriate if it were your children or those of a friend . As you can probably tell my empathy has run dry . There is no reason valid enough that I can think of that not one of mbms relatives have stepped up to the plate to be a voice for the children .

 

[MistyWaters]

Hopefully there will be a break in the case soon, and they'll be found. There are plenty of red flags with their home life, IMO.

I can imagine the 2 CPS memos that have been cited in MSM - 1 dated on the day they disappeared!!, and 1 two weeks later that went higher up the gov'tal chain - would have redactions if they or their content are ever released to the public because there was something wrong at home, IMO.

That went beyond potential learning issues in the 2 kids, self-reported drug use & anger & violence issues by DM, and an overwhelmed mom of 3 with an 18 month old, for a 2 year old & 5 year old to vanish while mom n dad were sleeping in on a day when they should have been at school but were called in sick due to a cough, right before their school was due to assess them.

MOO

For what reason was the school due to assess the children? What’s the connection to Maleyha calling in to the school to notify the children would be absent due to a cough?

Last month we learned Child Welfare service had conducted a visit in the past and after the children went missing the department refused to publicly disclose the results of their report. Unfortunately the news article was a paylocked G&M and you might recall, if you’ve been following this case for awhile, it was discussed here quite extensively. No abuse or neglect charges followed that visit but police are aware of the information. IIRC DM stated in an interview the children were due to be tested for autism later that same month. Those tests are provided as a public service through the N.S. Health Agency.

 

[MistyWaters]

However, I believe an ear-witness with the ability to identify a 5 speed vehicle by sound would have the ability to differentiate between a vehicle merely coming and going and one that is racing. And presumably, in order to be street racing, there would need to be a second vehicle, no?
IMO

Not if they’re clocking their time. But I’m more interested in why this vehicle was connected to the Martell residence. IIRC the RCMP noted in the documents they were unable to substantiate any of the tips and IMO anything considered important to the investigation would’ve been redacted.

I really doubt unredacted tips contained in the documents were released with the intent to give the general public clues to the inner workings of an active missing persons investigation.

Not directed to you specifically, just a general comment, we might not want to believe the RCMP said at July 16th they didn’t believe criminality was involved in the disappearance of the children but that’s what was declared at that time. Most of what we’re discussing was already a couple months in the past by then.


JMO

 

[thor124]

she was right there and surely would’ve woken up if a lot of yelling had taken place.

To be blunt, that assumes both adults were sober.

I don't know what happened to the kids, but I could see something like the following to have happened.

The parents wake around 6, the school bus comes around 7-730. Mom and Dad decide the kids need to stay home. They call/text/app the kids off school. Maybe they feed the baby so she'll sleep. They then indulge in some substance* and pass out.

The kids wake up, the eldest realizes they're running late. They try to wake mom and dad but they're "super tired" and don't get up.

The kids panic that they've missed the bus and are afraid they're going to get yelled at. Maybe they talk outside(what grama heard) after carefully closing the sliding door so they don't get in trouble. They decide to head off to school on foot.

Around 930 the parents wake up and realize the kids are gone.

Here we sit today, wondering what happened.

All only a guess, nothing but an opinion.

* - This scenario doesn't work for meth. It keeps you up and agitated. But it fits for pot/alcohol/opioids.

 

[MistyWaters]

To be blunt, that assumes the adults were sober.

I don't know what happened to the kids, but I could see something like the following to have happened.

The parents wake around 6, the school bus comes around 7-730. Mom and Dad decide the kids need to stay home. They call/text/app the kids off school. Maybe they feed the baby so she'll sleep. They then indulge in some substance* and pass out.

The kids wake up, the eldest realizes they're running late. They try to wake mom and dad but they're "super tired" and don't get up.

The kids panic that they've missed the bus and are afraid they're going to get yelled at. Maybe they talk outside(what grama heard) after carefully closing the sliding door so they don't get in trouble. They decide to head off to school on foot.

Around 930 the parents wake up and realize the kids are gone.

Here we sit today, wondering what happened.

All only a guess, nothing but an opinion.

* - This scenario doesn't work for meth. It keeps you up and agitated. But it fits for pot/alcohol/opioids.

Maybe but timeline is very tight considering the police arrived at about 10am, so wouldn’t they detect the smell of alcohol if the couple had been drinking to the point of passing out earlier that morning? JMO but most if not all police offices are experts at recognizing symptoms of inebriation.

The children could’ve wandered off and became scared simply by hearing the panicked calling of their names, especially if what Maleyha said was true… that they had been known to roam but knew they were not supposed to be alone outside.
JMO

 

[LadyL]

Well I don't know about Canada either but in my state they would if they had attempted to engage with the parents and the parents had not been open to that, and the children's behavior had either not improved or gotten worse. Particularly if they suspected the child was on the autism spectrum and needed additional interventions that the parent was either refusing or not engaging with. That would be classed as neglect.

in fact teachers are mandated reporters here in Canada and lots of other countries ...

 

[Lalalacasbah]

in fact teachers are mandated reporters here in Canada and lots of other countries ...

Yes, I had an incident happen to my child by her friend from her school. I asked someone I know who used to be a superintendent how I should handle the situation.

I was worried if I personally reach out to parents they would get a story or lie from their child (very manipulating child at a young age), possibly somehow blame my child, drag her name through the mud or make her life hard the next couple years as the other child is quite deviant and I think prone to violence at some point. I didn't want my kid getting followed and beat up after school!

My superintendent friend said if I go through the school and report the incident, it would be a way I could remain anonymous. I asked what the school would do, he said they have a duty to report and social services would visit the home.

This was a few years ago so take it with a grain of salt as I'm not 100% the protocols of all schools. This was in BC. JMO MOO

 

[FromGermany1]

Well my feelings and thoughts at this stage are probably irrelevant, the kids are missing since May the 2nd ,it is now September the 9th and not one word from the mother who gave birth to them . Think about that !!! Not one report in a newspaper of blood relatives out in the forest searching . Have another honest think about that. And come back with a heartfelt answer and the excuse you would wholeheartedly feel appropriate if it were your children or those of a friend . As you can probably tell my empathy has run dry . There is no reason valid enough that I can think of that not one of mbms relatives have stepped up to the plate to be a voice for the children .

At least it seems very special, how relatives and MBM are behaving. As if they would know more and don't want to speak about, not even in a bad way about the other family. They are either decent people or it is very important to keep the secret.

 

[su5ie]

At least it seems very special, how relatives and MBM are behaving. As if they would know more and don't want to speak about, not even in a bad way about the other family. They are either decent people or it is very important to keep the secret.

I just can't understand it at all .

Now here's the thing I'm torn between logic and emotion.

Logically I acknowledge a couple of things .
Searchers can miss remains or moving or hiding scared children , there is loads of available references on webslueths of multiple searches being carried out for missing persons only for the persons remains to be found months or years later by a random person.

Not all families of missing children including mothers and fathers are comfortable in the public eye or indeed have the strength to fight public opinion of their silence and their choices to sit back and allow and trust others ( LE ) to be doing right by their children

Logically I know there is probably running into the hundred count of children and teens missing in nova scotia and the greater area that we don't hear about from LE or their parents .

Emotionally I'm screaming if they are in the woods as it is being indicated by the verdictof no criminality ,as a parent I would be making it my business to scream from the rooftops for cadaver dogs so I could one give my children a proper burial and two have some sort of closure in the knowledge that all was done

Emotionally I'm saying how can a parent and family not want to give the children a voice publicly when the opportunity is there to get public support behind the them .

Emotionally I'm feeling by the silence you are allowing rumour to run rife and for that rumour to remove the focus from two small missing children to the activities of their caregivers and for all and sundry to monetize your children and that is what annoys me about the lack of engagement from mbm . It's horrible to think people are running to the bank with money made from her children, kids she appears to have just walked away from .

Emotionally I'm thinking is there not one maternal family member who has it in them to be an advocate for those children and to stop the taint that surrounds their disappearance.

When I think of lilly and jack going missing my mind goes immediately to the fact mbm walked away on day 2 not what it should be which is two small kids are missing. Logically I know that is wrong and I should be feeling empathy but when someone gives you no reason to empathise how can I feel it .imo moo

 

[tlcya]

Maybe but timeline is very tight considering the police arrived at about 10am, so wouldn’t they detect the smell of alcohol if the couple had been drinking to the point of passing out earlier that morning? JMO but most if not all police offices are experts at recognizing symptoms of inebriation.

The children could’ve wandered off and became scared simply by hearing the panicked calling of their names, especially if what Maleyha said was true… that they had been known to roam but knew they were not supposed to be alone outside.
JMO

that presumes the timeline provided by the parents is accurate, whereas the OP is suggesting the parents might have reason to be anything but in their recounting of events of the prior evening and that morning.

And I am aware of the reported poly results I simply refuse to view them as evidence since a court wouldn't either.

 

[su5ie]

Would LE consider the 1st of May as date last seen as in missing because as far as has been reported no independant sighting of the children can be verified beyond reasonable doubt other than carpark cctv on that date

 

[su5ie]

Just for the purpose of correct timings Maleyha rang emergency services at 10.01am and LE arrived at about 10.37am I'm a stickler for timelines and them being correct
It's the ocd

Maybe but timeline is very tight considering the police arrived at about 10am, so wouldn’t they detect the smell of alcohol if the couple had been drinking to the point of passing out earlier that morning? JMO but most if not all police offices are experts at recognizing symptoms of inebriation.

The children could’ve wandered off and became scared simply by hearing the panicked calling of their names, especially if what Maleyha said was true… that they had been known to roam but knew they were not supposed to be alone outside.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

that presumes the timeline provided by the parents is accurate, whereas the OP is suggesting the parents might have reason to be anything but in their recounting of events of the prior evening and that morning.

And I am aware of the reported poly results I simply refuse to view them as evidence since a court wouldn't either.

This is interesting, the reasons why polygraph tests are inadmissible as evidence in court:

Are polygraph tests admissible in Canada? - FREE Legal Information | Legal Line

Although police in Canada can use polygraph tests – commonly known as lie detector tests – in their investigations, in most cases the results are not admissible as evidence in court. Polygraph tests in Criminal Court The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled repeatedly that polygraph evidence is...

www.legalline.ca

 

[MistyWaters]

Just for the purpose of correct timings Maleyha rang emergency services at 10.01am and LE arrived at about 10.37am I'm a stickler for timelines and them being correct
It's the ocd

Thanks for the correction. It was the 911 call that was placed at about 10am.