CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Twistinginthewind]

Taking the kids along, now they're bad parents for "taking sick kids to the store". Had they left them home, they would be bad parents for "leaving kids unsupervised". Etc.

The absences right before going missing might be suspicious, I don't deny that, but I really don't think taking a kid with a "small cough" along to the store is anything unusal. Neither is missing school with a small cough if it is a singe schoolday inbetween free days (iirc, the setting was something like that).

I agree, and did not mean to imply they were "bad parents" for taking them out and about. I was just giving my perspective on it based on my own experiences, and wondering why they did take them along if they were too sick to attend school.

Sorry if I came off that way, truly I was just noodling around about old stuff & circumstances right now around the days before they went missing, since there isn't anything new to discuss and posting my thoughts to keep bumping this thread along.

I read somewhere here on WS awhile back that the more posts and reactions a case gets here, the better for keeping the missing persons case from going cold or silent.

That has been my motivation lately on this case since it's been 4 plus months since Lilly and Jack disappeared, posting on whatever I can think of or find re-reading MSM articles that I may not have payed enough attention to at the time they came out or were discussed here.

I appreciate everyone's input and feedback a lot, and count on you all to question my musings if need be, and am happy to try to explain things I post about all these months later during a bit of a lull on this case if they're not clear.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Taking the kids along, now they're bad parents for "taking sick kids to the store". Had they left them home, they would be bad parents for "leaving kids unsupervised". Etc.

The absences right before going missing might be suspicious, I don't deny that, but I really don't think taking a kid with a "small cough" along to the store is anything unusal. Neither is missing school with a small cough if it is a singe schoolday inbetween free days (iirc, the setting was something like that).

Good points!

I didn't suggest they would have left them home alone, at 4 and 6 years old, they are too young to be home alone (it's against the law in the US to leave a child 10 years old or younger home alone/unsupervised, and goes against common sense as well).

What I said was with their 2 parents not working on the days before they disappeared, I wondered why they decided to all go out and about with 2 kids too sick to attend school, when another option would be for 1 of them to stay at home or have relatives living on the same property look after them at home while they recovered from being sick with coughs according to their mother.

It's entirely possible they weren't that sick/their coughs "weren't that bad". Although there hasn't been any documentation on the severity of their illnesses, if they needed to see a doctor (if so, maybe one of the reasons they went out together, to take Lilly and Jack to see a doctor?).

So we just don't know and have to defer to what has been publicly stated, their mother called or messaged their school at 6:15 am that day and said they were "sick with coughs".

MOO

 

[Absoluterubbish]

You just made an excellent and interesting point - they did laundry at MBM's grandmother's house. Very interesting since DM said 2 sweaters are missing.

Did this happen during laundry? When DM says the sweaters were taken, did he mean by MBM's family while laundry was happening or a home intruder? Did DM sneak away two sweaters from the laundry pile? Were those missing sweaters even part of the laundry that night? The timing of ALL events is curious, to no one specifically really.
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Days before disappearance​

The documents describe in detail how the family spent the days leading up to the disappearance running errands.

On Wednesday, April 30, all five, including Jack and Lilly's baby sister, went to Brooks-Murray's grandmother's house to do laundry at 2 p.m.

More than an hour later, Brooks-Murray took the baby with her to get a licence plate for her car while Martell stayed at her grandmother's house with Jack and Lilly.

According to the documents, "they went to the Ultramar in Millbrook to get gas and she stopped to get a vape for Daniel at High Grade."

The entire family later went for groceries and eventually arrived back home at 10:19 p.m.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

It was the two sweaters he was wearing when searching he said. So they went missing after the children went missing.

 

[OneLove]

It was the two sweaters he was wearing when searching he said. So they went missing after the children went missing.

Ahhh....maybe they were squirreled away for dna testing....or maybe just maybe they were squirreled away to *prevent* dna testing..

 

[OneLove]

So we just don't know and have to defer to what has been publicly stated, their mother called or messaged their school at 6:15 am that day and said they were "sick with coughs".

MOO

Does their school require a call-in for absences by a certain time? Is it known if the messaging system or voicemail is only to be used before a certain time? Might a message or voice mail have been used at that very early time for the purpose of avoiding a real time interaction? I can visualize a mom up all night for "whatever reason" and about to crash and maybe also feeling guilty about the other times she'd sent the kids to school dressed inappropriately and even dangerously so if no/inadequate outerwear or rain and/or wind protection (and even been reported for it) might want to avoid the person to person communication out of guilt or feelings of inadequacy. Or maybe even she was in too much of an altered state to be able to handle a person to person communication? Maybe between 6a and the 911 call, they were busy fabricating and practicing a seemingly logical story. After all, the youngest would be unable to verify whatever sequence of events really happened in the night or that morning so they can say anything they want.

I do hope wherever the mom and youngest are that they are in a positive protective and supportive environment and healing in whatever way healing is needed. Someday we may learn more and that's more likely to happen coming from a stabilized and healthy mom who is more able and ready to talk.

This assumes that there is more to this story than has already been said of course.

 

[Traymar]

Good points!

I didn't suggest they would have left them home alone, at 4 and 6 years old, they are too young to be home alone (it's against the law in the US to leave a child 10 years old or younger home alone/unsupervised, and goes against common sense as well).


MOO

RSBM

I just wanted to point out that there isn't a national law in the US regarding a minimum age for children to be left home alone. It's a state issue, and varies from state to state. In some states, like mine, there is no defined minimum age at all. Surprising, but true.

MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

RSBM

I just wanted to point out that there isn't a national law in the US regarding a minimum age for children to be left home alone. It's a state issue, and varies from state to state. In some states, like mine, there is no defined minimum age at all. Surprising, but true.

MOO

Good point!

Yes, it isn't a federal law, and varies by state in the US.

And I don't know if there are any similar laws in Canada, just was wondering and saying it was a law elsewhere in my experience, in a few states I've lived in.

JMO

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It was the two sweaters he was wearing when searching he said. So they went missing after the children went missing.

Oh! I totally missed that detaill Thank you for clarifying that.

I did not realize it was THE sweaters that he was wearing while searching, now that is hinky for sure. He needed to wear TWO that day?

I got the impression he was hinting they were in his home to hint that a thief in the night took them or something.

 

[LadyL]

Oh! I totally missed that detaill Thank you for clarifying that.

I did not realize it was THE sweaters that he was wearing while searching, now that is hinky for sure. He needed to wear TWO that day?

I got the impression he was hinting they were in his home to hint that a thief in the night took them or something.

I got the same impression but that he thought cops took them.

 

[Slebby]

Well that is just what Daniel said on social media. That M took the two sweaters he was searching in when she left

I didn’t recall seeing this onMSM, and I feel like I’ve been on top of every news release.
IMO

 

[Serononin]

Well that is just what Daniel said on social media. That M took the two sweaters he was searching in when she left

But I thought MBM hadn't been back to the house at all since the police briefing on the 3rd?

 

[Ontario Mom]

I didn’t recall seeing this onMSM, and I feel like I’ve been on top of every news release.
IMO

I've not seen this in MSM either. I think some SM info is leaking it's way here as if fact.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

But I thought MBM hadn't been back to the house at all since the police briefing on the 3rd?

When she left on the 3rd she may have taken the 2 sweaters of his is what's one of the implications comimg from DM on SM according to posts above.

 

[Serononin]

When she left on the 3rd she may have taken the 2 sweaters of his is what's one of the implications comimg from DM on SM according to posts above.

The impression I got is that she went straight to her mother's house from the briefing and didn't return home at all, but I could be wrong

 

[Ontario Mom]

DBM

 

[Ontario Mom]

Police dogs trained in detecting human remains will be taking part in upcoming searches for Lilly and Jack Sullivan — two young Nova Scotia siblings who went missing more than four months ago.

N.S. missing kids: Cadaver dogs to be used as RCMP announce new searches | Globalnews.ca

Police dogs trained in detecting human remains will be taking part in upcoming searches for Lilly and Jack Sullivan -- two young siblings who went missing more than 4 months ago.

globalnews.ca

 

[Twistinginthewind]

N.S. missing kids: Police dogs trained in detecting human remains to take part in new searches | Globalnews.ca

RCMP said there is "nothing definitive to support the children are deceased," but that other searches to date have not located the children.

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[Sarahlou]

Police scheduled a media availability Friday afternoon with two officers who are experts on the use of cadaver dogs to discuss how the process works.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-says-cadaver-dogs-will-be-deployed-to-search-for-missing-n-s-children-1.7638195

 

[Twistinginthewind]

"The RCMP would not confirm when the cadaver dogs would be deployed, citing safety concerns, but did say it wouldn't be this weekend."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-says-cadaver-dogs-will-be-deployed-to-search-for-missing-n-s-children-1.7638195

LE cited "safety concerns" in terms of not confirming when the cadaver dogs would be deployed.

Wow... I hope they can do their work on this undisturbed after all this time... JMO

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I understand wanting to conduct the investigation with the dogs without any public interference—but ‘officer safety concerns’? I don’t understand that (does anyone have any ideas?) We have had incidents here in NS and NB where officers were targeted, but they didn’t mention this during the initial searches. That makes me think that it isn’t a boilerplate explanation. Why officer safety concerns now?

And I’m relieved and happy that they’re doing this. Right now in NS, the leaves on the trees are turning colour and are beginning to fall. Because of the months of little precipitation, a lot of grass and foliage dried up, so it may be a good time for a ground search, imo. Also, the forecast is sunny and warm this week and next, and there aren’t many bugs out in the daytime.

This is also incredibly sad and my heart is with everyone involved, especially the family.

I hope the officers and dogs involved stay safe.