CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Twistinginthewind]

I feel this is the scenario if they were lost. They likely would have sought shelter/refuge, succumbed to the cold/elements being so small.

I believe a child would make a makeshift type "fort" from tree base or dugout, leaves, branches, etc. I see my kids do these things when we're in nature or at the beach (logs washed up, rocks, etc). They will make stuff with what's around them.

Children can be crafty and imaginative, so I wouldn't be surprised if lost, these children will be very hard to find.

Good points!

I agree if they wandered off together of their own volition, and down the road literally, while mom & stsepdad & lil sis presumably were sleeping in...

As the hours progressed between 9 to 10 am ish, while they could have walked away on their tiny feet, and with everything so vast and disorienting it took them all day to exhaust themselves and they had to hunker down to spend the night and keep warm, etc., ...

Just hmmmm....

That would imply under Lilly's lead as the oldest if in charge, there were no interactions with someone else who would want tp help them typically nearer to the road to their home where their school bus always picked them up & dropped them off.

No Jack tumbling down a ravine and Lilly screaming & trying to help him (DM said he heard screamimg during initial sesrches but it was drowned out by heñicopters) and both injured then not able to rally, so they sheltered in place.

Just wondering if this stll a legit scenario, them having taken shelter as it got colder & later, but what about the 12 ish hours in between them disappearing and trying to find shelter.

MOO

 

[Serononin]

Good points!

I agree if they wandered off together of their own volition, and down the road literally, while mom & stsepdad & lil sis presumably were sleeping in...

As the hours progressed between 9 to 10 am ish, while they could have walked away on their tiny feet, and with everything so vast and disorienting it took them all day to exhaust themselves and they had to hunker down to spend the night and keep warm, etc., ...

Just hmmmm....

That would imply under Lilly's lead as the oldest if in charge, there were no interactions with someone else who would want tp help them typically nearer to the road to their home where their school bus always picked them up & dropped them off.

No Jack tumbling down a ravine and Lilly screaming & trying to help him (DM said he heard screamimg during initial sesrches but it was drowned out by heñicopters) and both injured then not able to rally, so they sheltered in place.

Just wondering if this stll a legit scenario, them having taken shelter as it got colder & later, but what about the 12 ish hours in between them disappearing and trying to find shelter.

MOO

They might have tried to find shelter sooner rather than later, seeing as they were quite possibly underdressed for the weather, the woods were full of blackflies, and as far as we know they hadn't had anything to eat or drink that day

 

[MistyWaters]

dbm

 

[musicaljoke]

They might have tried to find shelter sooner rather than later, seeing as they were quite possibly underdressed for the weather, the woods were full of blackflies, and as far as we know they hadn't had anything to eat or drink that day

Yes, they may still be found closer to home than we might have expected.

There not likely were black flies yet when the kids first went missing since the weather was still too cool, but if I recall correctly, it started to drizzle that night, so at least by nighttime, the kids probably tucked in wherever the could get shelter.

 

[Bigditch]

I mean if he's 100% sure they're not on his property, then he must 100% think they were abducted. Which is what he said in the beginning. But then why is he happy about the cadaver dogs being brought in? if they're not going to find anything? unless he thinks they could be on a neighbour's property?

I'm confused.

I understood it to mean the dogs won't find anything because Daniel feels the kids were abducted.

 

[dotr]

Not likely, just wondering if there is any chance the platform under the bench seen in this video could be lifted up?

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Sep 22, 2025 #missing #novascotia #news
Cadaver dogs will soon scour for two children who disappeared from rural Nova Scotia more than four months ago, but RCMP maintain they do not have reason to believe Lilly and Jack Sullivan are dead. Their stepfather, Daniel Martell, says he believes the latest search will confirm there are no human remains on the property. He spoke to the CBC's Angela MacIvor.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Yes, they may still be found closer to home than we might have expected.

There not likely were black flies yet when the kids first went missing since the weather was still too cool, but if I recall correctly, it started to drizzle that night, so at least by nighttime, the kids probably tucked in wherever the could get shelter.

Today is the three-year history of Hurricane Fiona, which hit both PEI and Nova Scotia very badly. If what remember of trees that did not have to be moved still lying all over the place in PEI's capital of Charlottetown is at all relevant, in deeply rural Nova Scotia the forests must be an impassable maze. I have no idea if finding the children is even a realistic hope.

 

[bluestsocks]

I have always found him to sound seemingly honest, almost earnest and candid too however, I have been duped before so I am not closing that door yet.

A big part of me doesn't suspect him but then there's some things where I think it's hinky. It's not even him I'd suspect first but maybe someone he knows or he's close to as a reason he might lie, defer or state things with such conviction.

They say (not sure who, psychologists/criminologists?) there is usually an element of truth when people tell lies. I think maybe it makes it easier for them to believe it themselves.

I am hoping neither MBM or DM are involved. If foul play I still think it's through association, relation, local to the area, had an interaction with the family, etc. MOO JMO

I’m honestly inclined to believe him, even though I wasn’t early on. I tend to think one couldn’t have done something without the other knowing and that at this point, or at least early on, they’d have a more united front if they were covering up a crime. I also just find him kind of… believable, I guess? Like this man is not a criminal genius and he is constantly talking - I guess I just think he’d have made more mistakes by now if he’d done something to the kids.

 

[Lucy6226]

Not likely, just wondering if there is any chance the platform under the bench seen in this video could be lifted up?

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Sep 22, 2025 #missing #novascotia #news
Cadaver dogs will soon scour for two children who disappeared from rural Nova Scotia more than four months ago, but RCMP maintain they do not have reason to believe Lilly and Jack Sullivan are dead. Their stepfather, Daniel Martell, says he believes the latest search will confirm there are no human remains on the property. He spoke to the CBC's Angela MacIvor.

'but RCMP maintain they do not have reason to believe Lilly and Jack Sullivan are dead'

This is an absolute wild statement to me. They have been missing since begining of May!

 

[Sarahlou]

'but RCMP maintain they do not have reason to believe Lilly and Jack Sullivan are dead'

This is an absolute wild statement to me. They have been missing since begining of May!

Plus according to DM they asked him questions about "Lilly and Jack's deaths" in the polygraph test.
The whole thing is so peculiar.

 

[FromGermany1]

It would be interesting to know, why M's marriage broke some years ago. One can't recognize, how she may have been as a spouse or a mother. So one can't recognize a possible motive, even from the outside. Did somebody think to help her, because she is impotent? Did somebody try to punish her, because she is impotent? Did somebody the disappearing of her children only for his/her own pleasure? I am not able to recognize a cause.

Because I don't know a motive, I imagine Lilly and Jack alive somewhere. Just as I thought/am thinking about little William in AUS until today: Yes, disappeared. Yes, for some reasons. Yes, probably by some helpers, who don't have to have a good reputation.

 

[MistyWaters]

'but RCMP maintain they do not have reason to believe Lilly and Jack Sullivan are dead'

This is an absolute wild statement to me. They have been missing since begining of May!

It’s police speak, the RCMP do not dwell on assumptions or speculation, only facts. Their proof or ‘reason to believe’ the children are dead would include evidence such as discovery of bodies or indicators such a blood trail, CCTV of a murder, a confession etc. Simply being missing is not proof someone is dead and LE does not assume. However by using cadavers dogs and reigniting the search, they are seeking proof of death. By asking DM polygraph questions about murdering the children, they were also seeking proof of death.

It’s just that the investigation to date has not uncovered any ‘proof of death’ therefore LE does not have reason to belief Lilly and Jack are dead. But that does not indicate LE believes the children are alive as I doubt if they have proof of that either.

If you think of it through the lens of LE their statement kinda makes sense.

 

[musicaljoke]

Today is the three-year history of Hurricane Fiona, which hit both PEI and Nova Scotia very badly. If what remember of trees that did not have to be moved still lying all over the place in PEI's capital of Charlottetown is at all relevant, in deeply rural Nova Scotia the forests must be an impassable maze. I have no idea if finding the children is even a realistic hope.

Thank you for saying that. This is indeed true. I don't even have much hope that the cadaver dogs will find them. The sad thing is that if the children are not found, many will believe that they simply are not in the bush and cast a stink eye on the family forever. It is hard to accept the fact that the kids may be lost in the woods forever.

 

[Slebby]

Thank you for saying that. This is indeed true. I don't even have much hope that the cadaver dogs will find them. The sad thing is that if the children are not found, many will believe that they simply are not in the bush and cast a stink eye on the family forever. It is hard to accept the fact that the kids may be lost in the woods forever.

Alternatively, if they perished as a result of foul play, many will assume they were simply wandered into the bush and were not found. It’s hard to accept the fact someone may get away with it, if this is the case.
IMHO

 

[TMich6811]

Alternatively, if they perished as a result of foul play, many will assume they were simply wandered into the bush and were not found. It’s hard to accept the fact someone may get away with it, if this is the case.
IMHO

 

[MistyWaters]

Alternatively, if they perished as a result of foul play, many will assume they were simply wandered into the bush and were not found. It’s hard to accept the fact someone may get away with it, if this is the case.
IMHO

Yes that is true but I doubt anyone may be getting away with it. If the bodies are found forensic pathologists should be able to determine if a person died in the same location or if they were moved after death.

Alternately would we want an innocent person prosecuted for murder just on the opinion of the general public even though there’s no evidence of it?

 

[musicaljoke]

Alternatively, if they perished as a result of foul play, many will assume they were simply wandered into the bush and were not found. It’s hard to accept the fact someone may get away with it, if this is the case.
IMHO

So far, we have not heard that there is any evidence of foul play.

 

[RandyMcDonald]

Even a badly dysfunctional family can have accidents. If anything, dysfunction might make these more common.

 

[Slebby]

Yes that is true but I doubt anyone may be getting away with it. If the bodies are found forensic pathologists should be able to determine if a person died in the same location or if they were moved after death.

Alternately would we want an innocent person prosecuted for murder just on the opinion of the general public even though there’s no evidence of it?

I think you misread my comment, I’m talking about one possible perception if they are not found, and this was in response to musicalnote’s comment about another perception if they are not found.
One perception could be that someone has gotten away with it, in the absence of bodies. The other perception is that it was a terrible accident, that they simply walked into the woods and perished, when in fact someone has gotten away with it.
Really, I’m not sure where anyone said they would want an innocent person prosecuted based on “opinion of the general public”. It should be obvious, no one wants that or has called for that.

IMHO

 

[Slebby]

So far, we have not heard that there is any evidence of foul play.

I agree