CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Gemmie]

My gut tells me these kids are alive and were taken. If they were killed at their home, don't you think the police would have found some indication. It is hard to clean everything plus, why kill two kids.

Or taken and no longer alive.

 

[Colleen Donnelly]

MBM said pretty quickly to MSM, paraphrasing, that DM was a very involved father and helped take care of them, especially when she overwhelmed, and that he had a voice they would listen to, and he was not a scary or violent stepdad was what she implied.

She never said that about Daniel to the media. She said something similar to the RCMP and the media reported that.

 

[tlcya]

“There are multiple aspects of this investigation ongoing simultaneously,” said Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon, officer in charge of major crime and behavioural sciences.

“Each piece of information, including the results from the search teams, helps inform our next steps. With support from agencies across Canada, the investigative team is working to validate or eliminate leads and follow the evidence wherever it takes us.

He added that RCMP are still "considering all possibilities."

"We’ll keep going until we determine, with certainty, the circumstances of the children’s disappearance and they’re found," said McCamon.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...-search-for-lilly-and-jack-sullivan-9.6931359

 

[su5ie]

If the children were abducted, I don’t believe for a minute a 4 and 6 year old would’ve been glued to the TV waiting to hear their mommy express how much she loves them. If anyone was expecting her to do that, all I can say is it’s very wise for the RCMP to advise her not to speak to the media.

Maybe because I’m Canadian where public pleas are uncommon, but I really don’t understand how that would prove or disprove her love for her children. Do people like watching that sort of thing, someone’s raw and tortured emotional pain, through their tears? I will say I don’t, it’s as disturbing to me as watching someone with a bleeding wound. I don’t know, maybe in this country we’re kinder. The young woman already has experienced deep trauma by her children going missing, maybe she doesn’t want to put herself on public display where surely more judgement will follow, it’s her call.
JMO

Maybe your right about ones country of origin and maybe if its uncommon in Canada prehaps it is why I from another country find it strange.

I'm sure your familiar with the way missing stories are run in UK and Irish newspapers and maybe that's why I find it strange .

I may have my opinion but im open to hearing others too . And it is interesting when hearing from those familiar with the workings of investigations and the way they are conducted in the public eye .

Despite the lack of regular msm updates the children's plight is being talked about on the street even in ireland , I actually overheard 2 people in a supermarket queue on Saturday talking about the kids and how sad that there is no understanding as what happened them after all this time .

I do think the RCMP are wording the statements they are releasing quite weirdly though , maybe it's just me but they are very mixed snd not one has stated that the children definitely wandered into the woods even though they are stating, not criminal and not abduction

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe your right about ones country of origin and maybe if its uncommon in Canada prehaps it is why I from another country find it strange.

I'm sure your familiar with the way missing stories are run in UK and Irish newspapers and maybe that's why I find it strange .

I may have my opinion but im open to hearing others too . And it is interesting when hearing from those familiar with the workings of investigations and the way they are conducted in the public eye .

Despite the lack of regular msm updates the children's plight is being talked about on the street even in ireland , I actually overheard 2 people in a supermarket queue on Saturday talking about the kids and how sad that there is no understanding as what happened them after all this time .

I do think the RCMP are wording the statements they are releasing quite weirdly though , maybe it's just me but they are very mixed snd not one has stated that the children definitely wandered into the woods even though they are stating, not criminal and not abduction

Really, I wonder how long it took this RCMP officer to scramble up this statement?

Cadaver dogs fail to find human remains in search for missing Nova Scotia children

Police in Nova Scotia say no human remains have been found during recent searches for two young missing siblings in Pictou County.

www.ctvnews.ca

“The dogs are highly trained to detect and indicate the scent of human remains, therefore, if the dogs did not alert their handlers, it suggests the dogs were never in the presence of human remains odour,” said Staff Sgt. Stephen Pike in the release.

“However, this doesn’t definitively rule out the presence of remains in the areas that were searched. It means either the odour is there and couldn’t be detected or the odour isn’t there.”

 

[su5ie]

New article today. Cadaver dogs searched 40 km but found no trace whatsoever...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/human-remains-were-not-found-during-cadaver-dog-s-search-for-lilly-and-jack-sullivan-9.6931359

In summary: LE is still "considering all possibilities." "We’ll keep going until we determine, with certainty, the circumstances of the children’s disappearance and they’re found,"

I'm really starting to feel the kids were never in the woods .

One line from the article peaked my curiosity and I would love to hear more expierenced posters take on it .
' investigators would not talk about what investigative theories they had "
If we rule out criminality and abduction and a possibility no wandering took place what other theories are possible.

 

[MistyWaters]

Maybe your right about ones country of origin and maybe if its uncommon in Canada prehaps it is why I from another country find it strange.

I'm sure your familiar with the way missing stories are run in UK and Irish newspapers and maybe that's why I find it strange .

I may have my opinion but im open to hearing others too . And it is interesting when hearing from those familiar with the workings of investigations and the way they are conducted in the public eye .

Despite the lack of regular msm updates the children's plight is being talked about on the street even in ireland , I actually overheard 2 people in a supermarket queue on Saturday talking about the kids and how sad that there is no understanding as what happened them after all this time .

I do think the RCMP are wording the statements they are releasing quite weirdly though , maybe it's just me but they are very mixed snd not one has stated that the children definitely wandered into the woods even though they are stating, not criminal and not abduction

In Canada there have been occasions where various relatives of a missing person or homicide victim have appeared before the media to appeal to the public for assistance. But on every occasion I can recall, they’ve been flanked and supported by the presence of LE and it’s quite clear both parties are united in their efforts to solve the crime that occurred while seeking justice. I’ve heard it rumoured that LE often assists the loved one with a script of what to say, in the hope of maximizing a positive outcome. Other times the family is there but does not speak at all, only LE. The presentation is tasteful, somewhat formalized. I think most of us are quite comfortable with that.

This is not the scenario that for various reasons I don’t see it happening here. The fractures within the children’s family run deep, the immediate family has already burned their bridges. The RCMP stated there’s no evidence of an abduction and apparently advised MBM not to speak to the media. Unless something changes….

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm really starting to feel the kids were never in the woods .

One line from the article peaked my curiosity and I would love to hear more expierenced posters take on it .
' investigators would not talk about what investigative theories they had "
If we rule out criminality and abduction and a possibility no wandering took place what other theories are possible.

My conclusion is they want the public to believe the investigation is leading somewhere when it’s not.

Only possibility left that I can think of is if the RCMP believe the children might’ve been voluntarily placed in a caregiving family home, but then why not say it?
JMO

 

[Megnut]

IMO if LE suspects foul play, they won't say so publicly until there's an arrest.

IMO they're keeping their theories to themselves for a reason. Reason being the integrity of their investigation.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

IMO if LE suspects foul play, they won't say so publicly until there's an arrest.

IMO they're keeping their theories to themselves for a reason. Reason being the integrity of their investigation.

JMO

Virtually everything mentioned on these threads occurred well before July 16th when LE indicated to the court they did not believe the case was criminal in nature.

There’s no need for the RCMP to publish their theories, they never do that. But if this case has become a criminal investigation there is absolutely no harm in stating that. The alternative is an RCMP officer on the witness stand being questioned by a defence attorney about why he or she has reason to believe the accused is innocent.
JMO

 

[tlcya]

Really, I wonder how long it took this RCMP officer to scramble up this statement?

Cadaver dogs fail to find human remains in search for missing Nova Scotia children

Police in Nova Scotia say no human remains have been found during recent searches for two young missing siblings in Pictou County.

www.ctvnews.ca

“The dogs are highly trained to detect and indicate the scent of human remains, therefore, if the dogs did not alert their handlers, it suggests the dogs were never in the presence of human remains odour,” said Staff Sgt. Stephen Pike in the release.

“However, this doesn’t definitively rule out the presence of remains in the areas that were searched. It means either the odour is there and couldn’t be detected or the odour isn’t there.”

yeah the BBM is so doublespeaky as to no loner make sense IMO

DOGS NOT DETECTING SCENTS SUGGESTS NO SCENT WAS THERE.

BUT

MAYBE THE SCENT WAS THERE BUT THE DOGS DIDN'T SMELL IT. OR MAYBE IT ISN'T THERE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE.

ya think?? Literally a mouthful of nothing with that business. Just another in a series of updates that aren't really anything of the sort.

 

[Megnut]

LE may well have a POI. Just because they haven't named one doesn't mean they don't have one nor does it mean they presently think that person is innocent, far from it.

So, on the hypothetical stand, the LEO wouldn't be explaining why he or she believed the person was innocent during the period we're in now but rather would testify to work product. When and how the person became their POI, what investigative steps were taken, what evidence was collected, etc.

I don't think LE is lost right now. In fact I suspect they are laser-focused. Gathering evidence so that an arrest, when it comes, can reach BARD at trial.

From experience here at WS, if LE thought there was a 1% chance those precious children might still be alive, they'd be leading the campaign to get the word out.

JMO

 

[OneLove]

I'm really starting to feel the kids were never in the woods .

One line from the article peaked my curiosity and I would love to hear more expierenced posters take on it .
' investigators would not talk about what investigative theories they had "
If we rule out criminality and abduction and a possibility no wandering took place what other theories are possible.

We really have no need to rule out criminality and/or abduction despite what law enforcement has said. They lie all the time when it is needed to solve open cases. The more distance time-wise from the crime, the looser the lips become. Investigations are often lingering and ongoing. Some are not solved for 10 years or more when former relationships dissolve or people develop a conscience and cannot live with their guilty knowledge or even after someone dies or when evidence falls into an estate and heirs turn it in. There are so many ways and means that are not common public knowledge, even insertion of undercovers that take time to build.

I feel this case will someday be solved.

There was no live scent leaving the property except at the end of the driveway. There was no dead scent on or leaving the property.

And as you pointed out, "some" of us, even worldwide, care. Its not a lust for morbid entertainment that leads us to care; it's our human spirit and sense of humanity on the whole.

 

[Bigditch]

They may yet be out there, but from the beginning, I've had the gut feeling that they're not there, and that all the searches have been in the wrong place.

There should have been a landfill search within days, in my opinion.

MOO

I don't recall hearing about a landfill, but definitely yes.

 

[Ontario Mom]

yeah the BBM is so doublespeaky as to no loner make sense IMO

DOGS NOT DETECTING SCENTS SUGGESTS NO SCENT WAS THERE.

BUT

MAYBE THE SCENT WAS THERE BUT THE DOGS DIDN'T SMELL IT. OR MAYBE IT ISN'T THERE BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE.

ya think?? Literally a mouthful of nothing with that business. Just another in a series of updates that aren't really anything of the sort.

I took that to mean, that normally if the dogs don't alert the handlers it suggests that they're not in the presence of human remains. However, that's not a sure thing, since they could be in the presence but the odor is somehow unable to be detected. Possibly concealed somehow with chemicals or something? My speculation.

When I think about all the cases I've followed over the years where cadaver dogs totally missed finding remains, it makes more sense what Staff Sgt. Pike said here. Basically, dogs aren't infallible. A google search says they're roughly 95-98% effective.

jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

LE may well have a POI. Just because they haven't named one doesn't mean they don't have one nor does it mean they presently think that person is innocent, far from it.

So, on the hypothetical stand, the LEO wouldn't be explaining why he or she believed the person was innocent during the period we're in now but rather would testify to work product. When and how the person became their POI, what investigative steps were taken, what evidence was collected, etc.

I don't think LE is lost right now. In fact I suspect they are laser-focused. Gathering evidence so that an arrest, when it comes, can reach BARD at trial.

From experience here at WS, if LE thought there was a 1% chance those precious children might still be alive, they'd be leading the campaign to get the word out.

JMO

The RCMP can absolutely NOT lie in legal documents that are presented to the Court for the Judge’s approval. Please understand how serious that would be if LE lied knowingly lied to Judges in order to obtain search warrants or subpoenas, it’s not a matter up for debate. In that statement to the Court as at July 16th they did not believe the case was criminal in nature says everything they investigated prior to July 16th was neither suspicious nor incriminating. That’s the reason I wrote IMO it could come back to haunt them

Only after that date might their investigation have turned a corner into criminal. That’s why there’s absolutely no harm in them stating that fact, if that’s the reality. But protecting the integrity of the investigation is not at risk by announcing what is the type of investigation is currently in progress. Maybe it would even encourage more tips.

I do agree the RCMP has been far too silent if they believed Jack and Lilly were still alive.
JMO

 

[OneLove]

Virtually everything mentioned on these threads occurred well before July 16th when LE indicated to the court they did not believe the case was criminal in nature.

There’s no need for the RCMP to publish their theories, they never do that. But if this case has become a criminal investigation there is absolutely no harm in stating that. The alternative is an RCMP officer on the witness stand being questioned by a defence attorney about why he or she has reason to believe the accused is innocent.
JMO

If this case has become a criminal investigation OR has been all along, there is MUCH harm stating so, especially publicly. There is no better way to clamp down investigative leads in a case than doing that.

It might be helpful to have a well trained well experienced investigator do an educational post for websleuthers but then again, that would be quite counterproductive to solving cases.

The end goal is solving the case. The end justifies the means where no harm is done other than bringing guilty parties to justice. Thats why law enforcement is granted leeway to mislead the public.

Hoping for a crack in the case soon.

 

[TMich6811]

The RCMP can absolutely NOT lie in legal documents that are presented to the Court for the Judge’s approval. Please understand how serious that would be if LE lied knowingly lied to Judges in order to obtain search warrants or subpoenas, it’s not a matter up for debate. In that statement to the Court as at July 16th they did not believe the case was criminal in nature says everything they investigated prior to July 16th was neither suspicious nor incriminating. That’s the reason I wrote IMO it could come back to haunt them

Only after that date might their investigation have turned a corner into criminal. That’s why there’s absolutely no harm in them stating that fact, if that’s the reality. But protecting the integrity of the investigation is not at risk by announcing what is the type of investigation is currently in progress. Maybe it would even encourage more tips.

I do agree the RCMP has been far too silent if they believed Jack and Lilly were still alive.
JMO

I don’t believe anyone in this thread is insinuating they’ve lied in legal documentation. Lied to the public? Sure. Selectively put their theories in court documents even though they have a different theory so that when requested by the press, the court documents only reflect certain items? Absolutely

 

[su5ie]

My conclusion is they want the public to believe the investigation is leading somewhere when it’s not.

Only possibility left that I can think of is if the RCMP believe the children might’ve been voluntarily placed in a caregiving family home, but then why not say it?
JMO

I think this hit the nail on the head , I also believe they want the public to believe the investigation is going somewhere when in reality they are back at square one if they ever ventured to square two at all .

I feel they left sending in cadaver dogs a bit late tbh , I feel 2 weeks from the kids disappearance would have been optimum timing for scent to have been got from fresh decomposition ( pardon my crude phrase ) if the kids did indeed wander they were likely dead within a week unless they knew survivalist skills which I doubt as they were so young . The odour of rotten flesh is a bit more alerting to dogs than prehaps scattered ,clean bones imo

 

[Megnut]

The RCMP can absolutely NOT lie in legal documents that are presented to the Court for the Judge’s approval. Please understand how serious that would be if LE lied knowingly lied to Judges in order to obtain search warrants or subpoenas, it’s not a matter up for debate. In that statement to the Court as at July 16th they did not believe the case was criminal in nature says everything they investigated prior to July 16th was neither suspicious nor incriminating. That’s the reason I wrote IMO it could come back to haunt them

Only after that date might their investigation have turned a corner into criminal. That’s why there’s absolutely no harm in them stating that fact, if that’s the reality. But protecting the integrity of the investigation is not at risk by announcing what is the type of investigation is currently in progress. Maybe it would even encourage more tips.

I do agree the RCMP has been far too silent if they believed Jack and Lilly were still alive.
JMO

To which court document(s) are you referring?