CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

We talked about it in thread one , I will go back and find the map and post

Oh that one, it’s not behind DMs residence. The New Lairg Pioneer/Landsdowne Cemetery is off another road, google maps will find it for you if you wish. The photos suggest it’s a very historic cemetary, any ground disturbance would be noticeable IMO

 

[su5ie]

The lack of details about Thursday evening bothers me , why is DM going on the defensive ? It should be something he feels comfortable talking about after all it was within these hours that they all were together, the one big happy family that he so misses .

I don't know what it is but something is amiss . The one thing that puzzles me when I consider other possibilities is , neither MBM or DM breaking and trying to blame the other . Even though they are broke up 5 months DM doesn't really acknowledge it imo .

Was the break up planned ?

 

[MistyWaters]

This entire article is interesting, worth reading. It’s why I don’t believe the gold car/waivy hair woman or 5 speed car were found to be connected to the case, since neither were redacted.

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

“The redacted documents made public in August include court applications filed by investigators for permission to conduct searches for phone records, banking records, and video related to the case. The RCMP agreed to remove some redactions this week, revealing that video surveillance was retrieved from the children’s school bus and that the bus driver joined the search for the children.

When asked why some redactions were removed while others remain in the documents, a spokesperson with the RCMP said those decisions lie with a judge. “Any questions in this regard are best directed to Nova Scotia courts.”….

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm guessing MBM must have "heard something through the grapevine" in the first few frantic hours or days, regarding Lilly and Jack's biological father, and possibly him taking them to New Brunswick.

Where some witness/tipster allegedly told LE they thought they saw him with Lilly and Jack in a hotel in New Brunswick during the night/evening of the day they disappeared.

IIRC, LE looked into it and found no evidence the potential "sighting" at the hotel was them, and their father was contacted and said it wasn't him, he was at home that night, and his mother/their grandmother he lives with corroborated his statement.

As far as MBM's reasons to repeat what she may have heard, perhaps she was desperate for some scenario under which to tell LE their children could be off somewhere with a family member, their dad, unbeknownst to her, and not having wandered from home.

A "Something Anything" kind of thing, IMO, desperate times calling for desperate measures...

And hopes for a reasonable explanation rising on where they were, and someone else being involved who the 2 kids knew and would maybe go with willingly.

Especially if their home life with their mom, her partner of 3 years, and their toddler half sister wasn't great, and they wished to live elsewhere and/or someone(s) knew that or felt the same way & stepped in to make it a reality.

It's a bit difficult to believe 2 people (MBM perhaps via the rumor mill & the person who said they thought they saw them at a hotel) would both tell LE the same 2 things (they could be with their father in New Brunswick) without any credence to it.

Unless it was a totally made up from whole cloth / grasping at straws idea, rumor, guess, ruse, or red herring kind of thing that grew legs unintentionally, IMO.

IIRC, MBM later called LE back and said she must have been / was wrong / retracted her statement.

But I don't think the public knows if the person who said they thought they had seen them at a hotel in New Brunswick also retracted their statement or stood by it, and LE was unable to confirm.

It would be nice to know if there were indeed people who stepped in to spirit them off to a new safe home, and their father was perhaps somehow of assistance but had to deny it and must stay silent for whatever his reasons.

ETA:

Perhaps MBM heard what the person said they thought they saw that night at the hotel "through the wires", and it went like that, chronologically speaking...

And while LE was following up on what MBM told them could have been them being with their dad and having gone to New Brunswick, they were able to contact that person, and their follow up on both fronts dovetailed into nothing substantive as a lead and/or with no evidence of it being a reality as far as LE has been able to confirm.

MOO

Yes, purely speculation (what we do) off the top of my head, the tip regarding CD could suggest a few other possibilities -
- CS had made threats to harm her or the children in the past.
- MBM was aware that CS resented paying the child support.
- MBM considered CS to be a nasty, untrustworthy character capable of abducting the children.
- MBM is prone to paranoid thoughts (which could also explain her sudden departure from DM as well)
- there’s an unknown connection of somebody in New Brunswick who MBM suspected CS was bringing the children to ? Why New Brunswick???

Purely brainstorming, my opinion only.

 

[abanddb123]

The lack of details about Thursday evening bothers me , why is DM going on the defensive ? It should be something he feels comfortable talking about after all it was within these hours that they all were together, the one big happy family that he so misses .

I don't know what it is but something is amiss . The one thing that puzzles me when I consider other possibilities is , neither MBM or DM breaking and trying to blame the other . Even though they are broke up 5 months DM doesn't really acknowledge it imo .

Was the break up planned ?

I find him one big red flag!

 

[thor124]

The lack of details about Thursday evening bothers me , why is DM going on the defensive ? It should be something he feels comfortable talking about after all it was within these hours that they all were together, the one big happy family that he so misses .

I don't know what it is but something is amiss . The one thing that puzzles me when I consider other possibilities is , neither MBM or DM breaking and trying to blame the other . Even though they are broke up 5 months DM doesn't really acknowledge it imo .

Was the break up planned ?

He's defensive because he was likely stoned out of his mind Thursday night thru early Friday morning. JMO.

 

[Serononin]

I'm guessing MBM must have "heard something through the grapevine" in the first few frantic hours or days, regarding Lilly and Jack's biological father, and possibly him taking them to New Brunswick.

Where some witness/tipster allegedly told LE they thought they saw him with Lilly and Jack in a hotel in New Brunswick during the night/evening of the day they disappeared.

IIRC, LE looked into it and found no evidence the potential "sighting" at the hotel was them, and their father was contacted and said it wasn't him, he was at home that night, and his mother/their grandmother he lives with corroborated his statement.

As far as MBM's reasons to repeat what she may have heard, perhaps she was desperate for some scenario under which to tell LE their children could be off somewhere with a family member, their dad, unbeknownst to her, and not having wandered from home.

A "Something Anything" kind of thing, IMO, desperate times calling for desperate measures...

And hopes for a reasonable explanation rising on where they were, and someone else being involved who the 2 kids knew and would maybe go with willingly.

Especially if their home life with their mom, her partner of 3 years, and their toddler half sister wasn't great, and they wished to live elsewhere and/or someone(s) knew that or felt the same way & stepped in to make it a reality.

It's a bit difficult to believe 2 people (MBM perhaps via the rumor mill & the person who said they thought they saw them at a hotel) would both tell LE the same 2 things (they could be with their father in New Brunswick) without any credence to it.

Unless it was a totally made up from whole cloth / grasping at straws idea, rumor, guess, ruse, or red herring kind of thing that grew legs unintentionally, IMO.

IIRC, MBM later called LE back and said she must have been / was wrong / retracted her statement.

But I don't think the public knows if the person who said they thought they had seen them at a hotel in New Brunswick also retracted their statement or stood by it, and LE was unable to confirm.

It would be nice to know if there were indeed people who stepped in to spirit them off to a new safe home, and their father was perhaps somehow of assistance but had to deny it and must stay silent for whatever his reasons.

ETA:

Perhaps MBM heard what the person said they thought they saw that night at the hotel "through the wires", and it went like that, chronologically speaking...

And while LE was following up on what MBM told them could have been them being with their dad and having gone to New Brunswick, they were able to contact that person, and their follow up on both fronts dovetailed into nothing substantive as a lead and/or with no evidence of it being a reality as far as LE has been able to confirm.

MOO

Do we know what order those two things - MBM saying that CS might have taken the kids to NB, and the tip about the potential sighting - happened in? Is it possible that LE said something like, "we've had a tip that they may have been seen in New Brunswick, can you think of anyone who would want to take them there?" and that's what prompted her to mention CS?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Yes, purely speculation (what we do) off the top of my head, the tip regarding CD could suggest a few other possibilities -
- CS had made threats to harm her or the children in the past.
- MBM was aware that CS resented paying the child support.
- MBM considered CS to be a nasty, untrustworthy character capable of abducting the children.
- MBM is prone to paranoid thoughts (which could also explain her sudden departure from DM as well)
- there’s an unknown connection of somebody in New Brunswick who MBM suspected CS was bringing the children to ? Why New Brunswick???

Purely brainstorming, my opinion only.

Thanks for sharing your pure speculation regarding CD, Lilly and Jack's father.

I haven't heard much about him, and hadn't thought of these possibilities, except in the back of my mind, that if it's true he somewhat recently lost his job and could no longer pay child support, it could have been a relief for him financially, of course, as well as he may have resented having to pay it at all if they were living under the auspices of his ex's newer family unit with DM and their child together.

Although I've visited Nova Scotia (NS) in the past, and at the time considered going up to New Brunswick (NB), it ended up being a bit far to travel to at the time, so I had to look up the locations / regions on a map to refresh my memory and think about the lay of the land and possibly "why NB", if it was a destination in this case of Lilly and Jack's disappearance and if they may have been "taken there".

According to Google Maps, it's about a 4 1/2 to 5 hour drive by car to the northwest from Landsdowne, NS to NB 'proper'/main locale.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/na9R1Csi9ZnPA7dt6

According to this publication of the Province of New Brunswick, December 2024, "Human Trafficking: Key Concepts and Statistics" (excerpt from page 13 of the PDF):

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/Corporate/Promo/equality-profile/Human-Trafficking.pdf

"Understanding the Prevalence of Human Trafficking

Figure 3 highlights the rates of human trafficking from 2016-2023 across New Brunswick (NB), the other Atlantic provinces, and Canada. From 2021-23, New Brunswick has seen a significant increase with an additional eight (8) cases taking place. Something important to note is that many of the cases represented in Atlantic Canada are from Nova Scotia."

So perhaps, IF Lilly and Jack were brought up/transported to NB from NS the day of their disappearance via a trafficking network to be given or sold to someone(s) elsewhere in the world (hopefully if so, via a network specifically earmarked to place them in a loving, secure new home), it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination for this to have happened via this corridor in Atlantic Canada, where cases are on the rise recently for transport from NS to NB.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

Do we know what order those two things - MBM saying that CS might have taken the kids to NB, and the tip about the potential sighting - happened in? Is it possible that LE said something like, "we've had a tip that they may have been seen in New Brunswick, can you think of anyone who would want to take them there?" and that's what prompted her to mention CS?

There had to be something to make her think of CS being a potential suspect , one does not usually point the finger at someone that hasn't had any contact in 3 years imo

Which brings me to my next point mbm stated CS wasn't paying Child support , he stated he was .

When reading back over the G&M article re the court documents. The polygraph results read as follows CS truthful , DM truthful , MBM truthful when asked specific questions. She is the only person where this line is added . Does this tell us MBM is capable of lying even in the circumstance in which her two children are missing?

 

[su5ie]

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

I don't know if this has previously been posted but I wonder why the information about the bus driver helping in the search was originally redacted ???

 

[su5ie]

Thanks for sharing your pure speculation regarding CD, Lilly and Jack's father.

I haven't heard much about him, and hadn't thought of these possibilities, except in the back of my mind, that if it's true he somewhat recently lost his job and could no longer pay child support, it could have been a relief for him financially, of course, as well as he may have resented having to pay it at all if they were living under the auspices of his ex's newer family unit with DM and their child together.

Although I've visited Nova Scotia (NS) in the past, and at the time considered going up to New Brunswick (NB), it ended up being a bit far to travel to at the time, so I had to look up the locations / regions on a map to refresh my memory and think about the lay of the land and possibly "why NB", if it was a destination in this case of Lilly and Jack's disappearance and if they may have been "taken there".

According to Google Maps, it's about a 4 1/2 to 5 hour drive by car to the northwest from Landsdowne, NS to NB 'proper'/main locale.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/na9R1Csi9ZnPA7dt6

According to this publication of the Province of New Brunswick, December 2024, "Human Trafficking: Key Concepts and Statistics" (excerpt from page 13 of the PDF):

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/Corporate/Promo/equality-profile/Human-Trafficking.pdf

"Understanding the Prevalence of Human Trafficking

Figure 3 highlights the rates of human trafficking from 2016-2023 across New Brunswick (NB), the other Atlantic provinces, and Canada. From 2021-23, New Brunswick has seen a significant increase with an additional eight (8) cases taking place. Something important to note is that many of the cases represented in Atlantic Canada are from Nova Scotia."

So perhaps, IF Lilly and Jack were brought up/transported to NB from NS the day of their disappearance via a trafficking network to be given or sold to someone(s) elsewhere in the world (hopefully if so, via a network specifically earmarked to place them in a loving, secure new home), it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination for this to have happened via this corridor in Atlantic Canada, where cases are on the rise recently for transport from NS to NB.

JMO

Thank you so much for sharing this ,really opens the eyes

 

[Serononin]

Grandmother of missing N.S. children says RCMP should share more information on case | Globalnews.ca

The grandmother of two missing Nova Scotia children says she's disappointed by how little information about their case has been publicly shared by RCMP.

globalnews.ca

I don't know if this has previously been posted but I wonder why the information about the bus driver helping in the search was originally redacted ???

I wondered that, too. The guy gave an interview to the press, didn't he? So his being involved in the search wasn't exactly a secret (or at least doesn't come as a suprise)

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Thanks for sharing your pure speculation regarding CD, Lilly and Jack's father.

I haven't heard much about him, and hadn't thought of these possibilities, except in the back of my mind, that if it's true he somewhat recently lost his job and could no longer pay child support, it could have been a relief for him financially, of course, as well as he may have resented having to pay it at all if they were living under the auspices of his ex's newer family unit with DM and their child together.

Although I've visited Nova Scotia (NS) in the past, and at the time considered going up to New Brunswick (NB), it ended up being a bit far to travel to at the time, so I had to look up the locations / regions on a map to refresh my memory and think about the lay of the land and possibly "why NB", if it was a destination in this case of Lilly and Jack's disappearance and if they may have been "taken there".

According to Google Maps, it's about a 4 1/2 to 5 hour drive by car to the northwest from Landsdowne, NS to NB 'proper'/main locale.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/na9R1Csi9ZnPA7dt6

According to this publication of the Province of New Brunswick, December 2024, "Human Trafficking: Key Concepts and Statistics" (excerpt from page 13 of the PDF):

https://www2.gnb.ca/content/dam/gnb/Corporate/Promo/equality-profile/Human-Trafficking.pdf

"Understanding the Prevalence of Human Trafficking

Figure 3 highlights the rates of human trafficking from 2016-2023 across New Brunswick (NB), the other Atlantic provinces, and Canada. From 2021-23, New Brunswick has seen a significant increase with an additional eight (8) cases taking place. Something important to note is that many of the cases represented in Atlantic Canada are from Nova Scotia."

So perhaps, IF Lilly and Jack were brought up/transported to NB from NS the day of their disappearance via a trafficking network to be given or sold to someone(s) elsewhere in the world (hopefully if so, via a network specifically earmarked to place them in a loving, secure new home), it wouldn't be a huge stretch of the imagination for this to have happened via this corridor in Atlantic Canada, where cases are on the rise recently for transport from NS to NB.

JMO

Replying to my own post to add, JMO:

IF Lilly and Jack were taken from NS to NB through a trafficking network, it doesn't have to have been arranged by any one person.

It could have been arranged by:

-- Multiple parties in agreement or cahoots or "separate but working together" as cogs in the wheel, with no one person being the obvious perp

-- For multiple different reasons with different modus operandii

-- For more than one person's benefit, financially or otherwise (e.g.,shedding themselves of responsibilties in raising them further)

Therefore, no one who was in their "circle" is off the hook for being potentially involved in their disappearance, IMO.

IF they were trafficked.

I'm not usually one to refer back to my earliest posts on a MP case here re my potential theories (they're numerous), but I did bring up this possibility re their parents at the time, because it made sense to me then.

And nothing has changed in the last 5 months in my mind with LE coming up with no evidence one way or the other, except perhaps the players.

JMO

 

[Bigditch]

Polygraphs are junk science, not proof of anything except the ability to lie and stay cool about it. Gary Ridgway passed, and he killed maybe as many as eighty women and girls.

MOO

It is good to be reminded of such things.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I wondered that, too. The guy gave an interview to the press, didn't he? So his being involved in the search wasn't exactly a secret (or at least doesn't come as a suprise)

Yes, I saw still photos (I think from a video) of him, their bus driver, showing the seats on the school bus where Lilly and Jack usually sat with a handmade sign above their saved seats with their names written.

As to why anything he may have said was redacted, it could have been LE wanting to protect his privacy and opinions on their disappearance when tempers were high and everyone could be considered suspect who knew them.

IIRC, he said he didn't observe anything abnormal or unusual of late with them, and just confirmed they were not attending school or on the bus for those 2 days they were out sick after the teacher inservice day off midweek.

Perhaps what LE felt at first should be redacted until they had a chance to confirm things, ended up being releasable after their investigation progressed and they found no tie to the busing of them related to their disappearance.

JMO

 

[Bigditch]

I agree. It was definitely strange to me that he said he knows 100% they won't find anything.

My feeling on that remark is that Daniel knows that area like the back of his hand. imo

 

[MistyWaters]

There had to be something to make her think of CS being a potential suspect , one does not usually point the finger at someone that hasn't had any contact in 3 years imo

Which brings me to my next point mbm stated CS wasn't paying Child support , he stated he was .

When reading back over the G&M article re the court documents. The polygraph results read as follows CS truthful , DM truthful , MBM truthful when asked specific questions. She is the only person where this line is added . Does this tell us MBM is capable of lying even in the circumstance in which her two children are missing?

It might mean DMs questions were included but MBMs were redacted, although the document indicated she answered truthfully. Polygraphs are always conducted with the polygrapher asking the subject very specific questions, it’s not conversational.

I don’t understand why the confusion about child support, he either was paying it or he wasn’t. If he wasn’t paying it, wouldn’t MBM get in contact with him to find out the problem? She wouldn’t know he was unemployed.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

I've just remembered lily got a black eye at patti's was this this Wednesday. They were officially off school that day for teacher training. But the Thursday and Friday they were meant to be in school

I had often wondered if the parents checked to see if lilly was still too sick for school on Friday. And I thought a black eye is not a good look if you've had recent cps visitation .

I don't think the kids were sick I think they were kept home to hide an injury . Lilly's visible injury and the chance jack might tell would be motivation enough to ring in a sick day for both .

Now what if lilly wanted to go to school . I wonder did she have access to an ipad or phone . If she had discord she could potentially call someone if she had been given a number by someone to ring in case of emergency. After all we are given the impression things weren't rosy in the garden at home

Prehaps someone had told her if you ever need anything call me . The staff were providing for the children . Could a well intentioned person have collected them to teach the parents a lesson and then it blew up too big to confess

I wonder did lilly have a secret number in her backpack or a phone ?? That's why she kept it close ?

Pure speculation and possibly overactive imagination and just my alternative scenario

 

[MistyWaters]

Replying to my own post to add, JMO:

IF Lilly and Jack were taken from NS to NB through a trafficking network, it doesn't have to have been arranged by any one person.

It could have been arranged by:

-- Multiple parties in agreement or cahoots or "separate but working together" as cogs in the wheel, with no one person being the obvious perp

-- For multiple different reasons with different modus operandii

-- For more than one person's benefit, financially or otherwise (e.g.,shedding themselves of responsibilties in raising them further)

Therefore, no one who was in their "circle" is off the hook for being potentially involved in their disappearance, IMO.

IF they were trafficked.

I'm not usually one to refer back to my earliest posts on a MP case here re my potential theories (they're numerous), but I did bring up this possibility re their parents at the time, because it made sense to me then.

And nothing has changed in the last 5 months in my mind with LE coming up with no evidence one way or the other, except perhaps the players.

JMO

Was looking for this below to quote, re sequence of events. I would imagine the camera footage of Cobequid Pass is a substantial amount of the total CCTV that’s been reviewed by the RCMP. Why the timeframe from May 1st is a mystery.

Did MBM tell the biogram she had suspected her son of abduction? For that reason I do wonder about the extent of any relationship between BG and MBM.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

“Brooks-Murray did, however, call RCMP at 12:45 a.m. on May 3 to report that the children's biological father might have picked them up and taken them to New Brunswick.

RCMP showed up at Sullivan's house at 2:50 a.m.

"Cody said he had not seen Jack and Lilly in three years and confirmed they were not with him," Curl said in her court application.

On May 7, RCMP spoke to Sullivan again because a tip said he had been seen by a hotel employee in New Brunswick.

Police confirmed once again he was at home in Nova Scotia.

Later that month, RCMP requested all camera footage at the Cobequid Pass, the location of a toll plaza on the Trans-Canada Highway in northern Nova Scotia about 70 kilometres from the New Brunswick border, between May 1 at 2:25 p.m. and May 3 at 3 a.m.“

 

[MistyWaters]

My feeling on that remark is that Daniel knows that area like the back of his hand. imo

Some of the MSM interviews are really shoddy in terms of information purposes. It’s as if when DM makes a statement, either the reporter doesn’t ask him to expand on his comment or his additional remarks are cut out just invite speculation.

How do we know he wasn’t out there day after day, already searching every square inch of the same area the cadaver dogs later covered. Would be expect they’d find anything, if he didn’t?