CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[TMich6811]

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.

Yes for sure. Not everyone has the luxury of taking off of work

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Yes for sure. Not everyone has the luxury of taking off of work

Wow - i'm truly surprised by that.

 

[musicaljoke]

Its striking to revisit the abduction theory I presented months ago, especially given the resistance I faced from those who refused to engage with the physical evidence. After investing countless hours in terrain analysis, mapping potential routes, and working with AI to systematically evaluate different scenarios, I knew something fundamental didn't align with the narrative that had taken hold.

The persistent problem in these discussions has been the tendency to fabricate evidence rather than work with what evidence actually exists. Criminal investigations don't operate on invented theories. I won't claim every detail I proposed was flawless, but I recognized early on that the fixation on the parents lacked evidentiary foundation.

Now an eyewitness report may corroborate both the abduction scenario and the vehicle staging location I identified months ago through terrain analysis. An effective investigation requires following evidence, not forcing evidence to follow a theory. Yet Occam's razor gets constantly misapplied in online discussions, as if it constitutes proof. That principle requires an absence of evidence. Here, we have substantial physical evidence pointing in a specific direction.

I'll also add that in a follow up post, I believe I brought up the question of where the offender would've parked. In one of my posts I had gotten a location wrong, and didn't cite my Google Earth photo, so I'm not sure if I deleted it, or if it was deleted by a moderator. Anyways, if there were two offenders, this would make perfect sense. One to watch the vehicle and the other (less threatening?) accomplice to take the kids.

I had been operating on the assumption that there was only one offender—a male who had experience in hunting/fishing and who used the pipeline trail before. An ATV was something I thought could've been used to transport the children from the home. Someone questioned the lack of tracks, but if you look at photos, you can see the terrain would allow people to move along it without leaving any. It isn't soft soil, it's rocky and compact. The gravel shifts under pressure.

Might Gramma not have heard an ATV? She said she hears everything.

 

[musicaljoke]

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.

We don't know if the teacher in May was the same teacher as was in the classroom at the beginning of the year. For all we know, there could have been a change, perhaps a maternity leave, or some other absence.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

We don't know if the teacher in May was the same teacher as was in the classroom at the beginning of the year. For all we know, there could have been a change, perhaps a maternity leave, or some other absence.

Yes, I guess I understand now the difference between Canada and where I live when it comes to schools / teachers / parents. I guess we only really know what we are used to.

 

[Curious-A]

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.

Yes, we put our children on the school bus on the first day of school and off they went. Those parents who drive or walk their children to school just hand them off to the teachers, aides or administrators who are waiting outside the school building for the children to arrive. No parent goes into the school on the first day or any day really. A couple of weeks after school starts the school district has a back to school night for parents to meet the teachers, administrators and staff.
Edited to add I’m in the U.S.

 

[LadyL]

I agree, and even without issues I would say it almost unheard of for a mother to have never met her 4 and 6 year olds teacher/s.

did someone post the source for this info? I followed the posts back and don't see it stated anywhere actually - was it edited out of someone's post?

ETA: I see that su5ie said it's in the documents

 

[LadyL]

It is odd to me , even if we look at it from the perspective of a severe social anxiety disorder.

I suspect she enrolled the children at one point in the school so may have met previous teachers or school principal.

In ireland teachers are not the same yearly for the kids . So in year 1 they have Ms 'so and so 'and in year 2 it will be Ms " somebody else " etc .

It could be one of the factors that contributed to the cps report being made , usually and I'm not saying its the case here but when a parent is not seen by authorities in their child's life , it can raise red flags

If we look at the social anxiety angle or people phobia we would have to question how MBM could handle all other social interactions in person such as appointments, grocery shopping and whatever else the order of the day entailed

My hunch is she prehaps was either hiding herself for whatever reason or couldn’t be bothered to make the journey to the school when things could be dealt with by phonecall

it's just the nature of anxiety - one can gather the courage to go into town one day and then not able to leave the house for weeks

and yes, a phonecall might be preferred over an in-person meeting, and texting even better than a phonecall ... and sometimes it takes massive energy just to be able to text JMO

we don't know what conditions, if any, M has or had at the time

 

[OneLove]

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.

Totally agree with this with only one teensy tiny exception: it's possible (though not likely given everything else) that Jack had seen the school enough already with Lily's several years there that maybe he'd already seen the classroom and layout of the school in the past. If this degree of "hands off" and disengagement is a family cultural norm, that might explain it. But I'm leaning toward a generalized pervasive state of overwhelm, for whatever reason.

I wonder if a voluntary tox screen was suggested that first day and whether it was declined or not.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I wonder if a voluntary tox screen was suggested that first day and whether it was declined or not.

For who?

 

[Slebby]

So are you saying it's normal there to send your 4 year old to school on their first day on the bus having never taken them to the school yourself?

Where I live that is literally unheard of. Parents take their child to their first day of school and their school visits before that. Most parents here would take their child to their first day of school every year for the first few years at least.

I personally would find that it’s not normal at all. I’m Canadian, but I’ve lived for a time in the US, and my experience there was the same. I would find it highly unusual to send a 4 year old, first day, and not go with them.
Does it ever happen? Probably. But imo and in my experience it is far from the norm.
IMHO

 

[OneLove]

For who?

Tox screen for the parents. And if they were just asking (since there were no charges), they could have asked step grandma too and the uncle (who is almost never mentioned for some reason) just to see their reactions. It doesnt cost to ask and can be of investigational use, even if the screens were not done.

 

[OneLove]

I personally would find that it’s not normal at all. I’m Canadian, but I’ve lived for a time in the US, and my experience there was the same. I would find it highly unusual to send a 4 year old, first day, and not go with them.
Does it ever happen? Probably. But imo and in my experience it is far from the norm.
IMHO

And we teachers took note of this and started watching more closely for other cues on the status of a kid's homelife. Wearing yesterday's clothes, lack of warm enough clothes, lack of breakfast or decent lunches, clothes that smelled of urine, bruises and welts, general state of fear, clinging, lethargy first thing in the morning, acting out especially close to end of the school day were all things we very particularly noticed.

 

[Gemmie]

And we teachers took note of this and started watching more closely for other cues on the status of a kid's homelife. Wearing yesterday's clothes, lack of warm enough clothes, lack of breakfast or decent lunches, clothes that smelled of urine, bruises and welts, general state of fear, clinging, lethargy first thing in the morning, acting out especially close to end of the school day were all things we very particularly noticed.

I am really sorry, and saddened, that you and other teachers even had to look for those signs.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I am really sorry, and saddened, that you and other teachers even had to look for those signs.

Me too. It’s so sad.