CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

I live on an island in a Dark Sky zone, so our nights have no artificial illumination. Cars can be seen coming from a considerable distance, but it would be very unusual for car headlights to light up the tree tops.

Headlights in Canada are set so the beam is directed 2.5" from the headlight centre point at 25'. The beam lights up the road about 200' in front of the car, but the beam is still at a low angle. Unless a car is approaching while going up a steep hill, the tree tops never get illuminated. It's unusual to see headlight illumination above the power lines.

Is it possible that the light seen was from torchs or headlights shone upward searching for the kids during the night ? And that is the light that was seen and the noise of a vehicle coming and going was not a car on the road but an atv searching through the woods .

Just a different viewpoint , musing and trying to incorporate what was heard but not in the places and from the type of vehicle the witness's thought.

Obviously I know the timeline given by DM and mbm and JM but by that stage could they possibly have gone into panic mode regarding prior CWS involvement???

 

[MistyWaters]

Even the Toronto Star is carrying the story. IMO it’s important for people to not draw incorrect conclusions if disputed information is taken to be factual, for the sake of future tips to assist in solving the disappearance of Lilly and Jack.


Surprisingly not paylocked.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural,

www.thestar.com

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case​

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.
Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review of surveillance footage from the area in Lansdowne Station, N.S., where six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan were reported missing on May 2.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Even the Toronto Star is carrying the story. IMO it’s important for people to not draw incorrect conclusions if disputed information is taken to be factual, for the sake of future tips to assist in solving the disappearance of Lilly and Jack.


Surprisingly not paylocked.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural,

www.thestar.com

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case​

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.
Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review of surveillance footage from the area in Lansdowne Station, N.S., where six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan were reported missing on May 2.

Well there you have it. They’re lost in the woods and haven’t been found imo. Crazy how thermal drones, sar and dogs found nothing. Wonder if we’ll ever know what happened

 

[su5ie]

Well there you have it. They’re lost in the woods and haven’t been found imo. Crazy how thermal drones, sar and dogs found nothing. Wonder if we’ll ever know what happened

So why are they not doing a grid search with the dogs ,and why are they stating somebody knows something , doesn't make sense.

But as I said in my previous post they are not being throughout enough if the general and working hypothesis is they are in the woods .

And if all evidence has led the rcmp to believe the kids haven't been victims to foulplay how can they state ,we have no evidence to say the kids are dead . Surely medically and scientifically logical thinking would give way to the knowledge and certainty they are dead to state , the kids are missing and assumed to be dead .

I wonder have first nations trackers been into the search area

I also would like to know if old historic mineshafts and Wells have been searched with drones if any exist

 

[MistyWaters]

Well there you have it. They’re lost in the woods and haven’t been found imo. Crazy how thermal drones, sar and dogs found nothing. Wonder if we’ll ever know what happened

Crazy for sure but they got to keep on lookin’.

 

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[OneLove]

Even the Toronto Star is carrying the story. IMO it’s important for people to not draw incorrect conclusions if disputed information is taken to be factual, for the sake of future tips to assist in solving the disappearance of Lilly and Jack.


Surprisingly not paylocked.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural,

www.thestar.com

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case​

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.
Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review of surveillance footage from the area in Lansdowne Station, N.S., where six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan were reported missing on May 2.

Even the Toronto Star is carrying the story. IMO it’s important for people to not draw incorrect conclusions if disputed information is taken to be factual, for the sake of future tips to assist in solving the disappearance of Lilly and Jack.


Surprisingly not paylocked.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural,

www.thestar.com

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case​

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May.
Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review of surveillance footage from the area in Lansdowne Station, N.S., where six-year-old Lilly and four-year-old Jack Sullivan were reported missing on May 2.

I've not seen s single person here draw incorrect conclusions, except for maybe misinterpreting the EXACT words released directly by the RCMP.

The HEADLINE of the msm article here was written by a media writer, NOT written by the RCMP.

We've all seen salacious drama headlines meant to grab people in their reactive feels before they filter through the rational brain. Quality written headlines are not written at all in that manner.

Of course, some folks lean heavily into those types of salacious headlines.

Here at Websleuths, I think most readers distinguish fairly well and even though proposing specific hypotheses, they are not married to anything until evidence PROVES something. Again, it's something akin to comprehending double negatives or not.

Nothing RCMP has said so far literally DISPUTES what witnesses have said. They HAVE said they've found no evidence to PROVE what has been said.

Hold on to your hats, folks, and let's hope they are thinking caps, not " hair on fire" hats.

 

[MistyWaters]

I've not seen s single person here draw incorrect conclusions, except for maybe misinterpreting the EXACT words released directly by the RCMP.

The HEADLINE of the msm article here was written by a media writer, NOT written by the RCMP.

We've all seen salacious drama headlines meant to grab people in their reactive feels before they filter through the rational brain. Quality written headlines are not written at all in that manner.

Of course, some folks lean heavily into those types of salacious headlines.

Here at Websleuths, I think most readers distinguish fairly well and even though proposing specific hypotheses, they are not married to anything until evidence PROVES something. Again, it's something akin to comprehending double negatives or not.

Nothing RCMP has said so far literally DISPUTES what witnesses have said. They HAVE said they've found no evidence to PROVE what has been said.

Hold on to your hats, folks, and let's hope they are thinking caps, not " hair on fire" hats.

Everything is not about us. I hope if there’s one person who knows something, they will break their silence.

Landowners in the area should keep their eyes open, instead of believing the children were carted away by a vehicle in the middle of the night. Lots of reasons why it’s important for misleading information to be corrected during an investigation.
JMO

 

[OneLove]

Everything is not about us. I hope if there’s one person who knows something, they will break their silence.

Exactly! And anyone implying that something has been ruled OUT by the RCMP when it in fact has NOT been is off course and just not understanding plain language.

There has been nothing to date that disproves anything.

We do know live scent dogs did not pick up live scent leading from the property shortly after the kids vanished. We do know cadaver dogs did not pick up cadaver scent. We do know heat sensing technology did not pick up anything. We do know when the last CONFIRMED sighting of live kids happened.

We do know the story on their last actions before the kids disappeared changed in the telling by the last 2 adults the children were seen with.

And with this last link that you kindly posted, we do know that Malehya declined to confirm a very vital piece of information that is mentioned at the end. The link will not allow me access a 2nd time so I can't copy an excerpt here but if anyone wants to, that would be very helpful

 

[Bigditch]

JMO but the midnight ride scenrio does fit with the crack fueled party rumor that allegedly happened on Thursday night.

 

[OneLove]

JMO but the midnight ride scenrio does fit with the crack fueled party rumor that allegedly happened on Thursday night.

Yes, and that has been neither proven nor disproven. When the RCMP announce "they have been unable to substantiate", thats EXACTLY what they mean.

 

[MistyWaters]

We do not know when the neighbor reported it. We only know the RCMP *did not interview* the neighbor until a week after the kids disappeared.

Its quite possible the "chain of command and custody" for reported tips took this amount of time to work it's way to completion. For all we know, the neighbor called this tip in the same day the kids were reported missing or shortly after the alert went out asking for tips to be called in.

Screening hundreds of called in tips can take considerable time. Just listening to them ALONE takes considerable time. Listening to the "hi, I'm XYZ, a volunteer in my kids classroom and my daughter says last year Lilly told her blah blah blah". All is good information IN GENERAL to get a good snapshot of Jack and Lily's life but only a few needles in the haystack prove to be leads that help solve the actual crime.

Yes, the date of the tip was May 8th.

Aug 8th G&M (presently paylocked) reporter reports speaking with one neighbour who claimed to have heard a “five-speed” going back and forth between midnight and 5am while working on his car. The article states he considered it important information. The tip was reported on May 8th, G&M confirmed that with the RCMP. The G&M didn’t reveal the neighbours name because he was concerned for his safety in the community.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Well there you have it. They’re lost in the woods and haven’t been found imo. Crazy how thermal drones, sar and dogs found nothing. Wonder if we’ll ever know what happened

I'd like to think we will, at some point.

 

[OneLove]

JMO but the midnight ride scenrio does fit with the crack fueled party rumor that allegedly happened on Thursday night.

In the US, sometimes one party tells what they know if they are given immunity from prosecution. Can someone tell us if this is ever used to solve cases in Canada?

 

[Megnut]

Iirc the mom said the step-dad was going to do some cleaning (though she indicated she couldn't tell what cleaning her done) but if he had a lot of cleaning to do, would that mesh with a couple of trips to a landfill situation? Maybe they don't have regular trash service.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

In the US, sometimes one party tells what they know if they are given immunity from prosecution. Can someone tell us if this is ever used to solve cases in Canada?

It’s known as a plea bargain, here as well.

 

[sunspun]

It’s known as a plea bargain, here as well.

I suppose the term plea bargain is related, but only when it's the defendant (or the accused, or charged, or indicted). But I believe what the poster was referring to was talking about info from a witness to a crime, not the suspect/defendant.

 

[Bigditch]

I suppose the term plea bargain is related, but only when it's the defendant (or the accused, or charged, or indicted). But I believe what the poster was referring to was talking about info from a witness to a crime, not the suspect/defendant.

An informant?

 

[OneLove]

It’s known as a plea bargain, here as well.

I'm referring to immunity FROM prosecution rather than a reduced sentence in exchange for information from a prosecuted defendent, more commonly known as a plea bargain. Those are the different terms in the US.

 

[sunspun]

I'm referring to immunity FROM prosecution rather than a reduced sentence in exchange for information, more commonly known as a plea bargain. Thats the way it works in the US.

Sorry bout that... I don't know why I didn't just let you answer for yourself there! Carry on ;-)