CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[OneLove]

Sorry bout that... I don't know why I didn't just let you answer for yourself there! Carry on ;-)

I was asking if that is used in Canada as it is in the US. I knew what immunity from prosecution *means* as differentiated from a plea bargain. Now, allocution??? Hoo boy... thats something too, isn't it? BTK's allocation was off the charts. Maybe there will be one eventually for this case too.

 

[OneLove]

The G&M didn’t reveal the neighbours name because he was concerned for his safety in the community.

Whoa; I wonder WHY he would be afraid for his own safety just for reporting DM's vehicle was driving back and forth and pausing often in the dead of night? Who might possibly want to *hurt* him just for reporting that?

 

[Andreee]

dbm

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks,
Stop the back and forth bickering or timeouts are going to be issued. Members guests and family members don't come here to read people arguing endlessly.

 

[flowershop]

There is mention of railroad tracks in one of the witness accounts. Anyone know if those tracks are in operation?

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

 

[OneLove]

There is mention of railroad tracks in one of the witness accounts. Anyone know if those tracks are in operation?

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

I dont know whether theyre in operation or not and this is this first time I've seen that the neighbor specifically said DM's car turned around at the railroad tracks.

Excerpt from the above posted link:

>>Police say Smith told them the vehicle was on Highway 289 and turned around by the railroad tracks near the area of Gairloch Road and Lansdowne Station Road.<<

 

[OneLove]

Whoa; I wonder WHY he would be afraid for his own safety just for reporting DM's vehicle was driving back and forth and pausing often in the dead of night? Who might possibly want to *hurt* him just for reporting that?

Timed out for editing so I'm reposting this to add "it seems odd that being reported for driving the car to the railroad tracks and back several times just to test out some late night mechanical work would raise the ire of anyone to the level of violence. Likewise if the reason was to sooth a crying baby. Or especially if the car never even left the premises at all. I wonder what the tipster was in fear of, from whom, and exactly why. --Any hypotheses?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Iirc the mom said the step-dad was going to do some cleaning (though she indicated she couldn't tell what cleaning her done) but if he had a lot of cleaning to do, would that mesh with a couple of trips to a landfill situation? Maybe they don't have regular trash service.

JMO

Good point.

A trip to the landfill or other disposal locale could have possibly been in order if trash/rubbish/debris accumulated after the planned cleaning inside the house & fence/play structure building/repair for the kids by DM, and prepping for putting in a pool for the kids by DM's mother who was raking the surface of the ground outside her trailer, IIRC.

Though IIRC, MBM stated it looked like DM hadn't cleaned inside the house that night as planned.

JMO

 

[OneLove]

Good point.

A trip to the landfill or other disposal locale could have possibly been in order if trash/rubbish/debris accumulated after the planned cleaning inside the house & fence/play structure building/repair for the kids by DM, and prepping for putting in a pool for the kids by DM's mother who was raking the surface of the ground outside her trailer, IIRC.

Though IIRC, MBM stated it looked like DM hadn't cleaned inside the house that night as planned.

JMO

Interesting hypothesis on taking outside debris, etc. I wonder, if he did do that, why he would not have reported that so investigators could go immediately to the dump and locate his debris to corroborate his story and clear him of suspicion. Its interesting that with all that went on the next day, and all the questions about the night before and that early morning that he would omit that not small detail.

I'm not calling into question whether he might have made those trips to the dump because thats a viable possibility (if it's accessible to the public in the middle of the night) but I'm wondering about the details.

If the dump wasn't open to the public in the middle of the night, might he have transfered the rubbish to someone who may have met him partway (like maybe the railroad tracks) and then that person may trips to the dump later?

I just can't put my finger on why he wouldn't have reported that. Or why Google maps locating wouldn't have tracked that.

Do you suppose he's been asked if he turns his battery saver mode on and off at times? Maybe he does that often to, well, save battery life? That would be reasonable. Would a cell phone log when specifically that happens or even log it at all? Would Google have that?

 

[Hexe]

I'm just wondering, for those inclined to disbelieve the 2 neighbors detailed reports, what reason you think they might have for confabulating such elaborate lies.

I don't think they are lying. I think they might be confused which night they actually saw that car.

 

[Greenestdays]

This post lands at random and not a response to anyone in particular.

I'm just wondering, for those inclined to disbelieve the 2 neighbors detailed reports, what reason you think they might have for confabulating such elaborate lies.

I have ideas but just curious what your thought process is about this matter.

I don’t think they are lying, simply misremembering. Eyewitness accounts are notoriously unreliable and the stories get even muddier when discussed with others (and we know from the article they talked to each other about the alleged movements).

 

[Andreee]

Do you just make it your day to disagree with everything?

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case - Halifax | Globalnews.ca

RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth near the home where two young children went missing in May.

globalnews.ca

I don't think they are lying. I think they might be confused which night they actually saw that car.

I really dont see why they would get the day mixed up. Especially since there are two of them mentioning it. Just my opinion.

 

[Hexe]

I really dont see why they would get the day mixed up. Especially since there are two of them mentioning it.

Because human memory is fallible. Also, it seems they talked anoit it before going to the police, so the mistake of one of thrm could have influenced the other.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Interesting hypothesis on taking outside debris, etc. I wonder, if he did do that, why he would not have reported that so investigators could go immediately to the dump and locate his debris to corroborate his story and clear him of suspicion. Its interesting that with all that went on the next day, and all the questions about the night before and that early morning that he would omit that not small detail.

I'm not calling into question whether he might have made those trips to the dump because thats a viable possibility (if it's accessible to the public in the middle of the night) but I'm wondering about the details.

If the dump wasn't open to the public in the middle of the night, might he have transfered the rubbish to someone who may have met him partway (like maybe the railroad tracks) and then that person may trips to the dump later?

I just can't put my finger on why he wouldn't have reported that. Or why Google maps locating wouldn't have tracked that.

Do you suppose he's been asked if he turns his battery saver mode on and off at times? Maybe he does that often to, well, save battery life? That would be reasonable. Would a cell phone log when specifically that happens or even log it at all? Would Google have that?

Possibly if he was trying to save $ and get rid of debris under cover of darkness -- e.g., saving on a tipping fee or having a dump sticker, which even so may not accept everything which doesn't fit in a trash bag, like larger pieces of scrap metal or matresses or carpet & it would have to go elsewhere.

No telling if it is likely or not getting rid of things at night to save $ or for convenience would "be a thing" someone like DM would be privvy to knowing about and/or how to do it.

Hypothetically speaking of course, in response to this potential scenario as to why someone could have been coming & going that night & not wish to divulge it to LE.

JMO

 

[Spectrix]

There is mention of railroad tracks in one of the witness accounts. Anyone know if those tracks are in operation?

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

The railroad crossing that was referenced to be the place where a noisy car (that may or may not exist) was thought to be turning around late at night, I believe it is here: (map reference).
The track surface looks to be reasonably shiny which indicates at least semi regular use.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I really dont see why they would get the day mixed up. Especially since there are two of them mentioning it. Just my opinion.

I agree. Especially because of the intensity of the situation and them being "right there" living nearby to all the activity that occured that day with Lilly and Jack's family members & LE searching for them.

IMO, if the 2 neighbors were close enough by to hear and/or see nightime vehicle activity on the Martell property and nearby within the 8 hours before they disappeared (as they later testified to LE) & then dozens of people showed up to search for them, with LE sending out alerts local to them & asking for any info which could be relevant, for them to have gotten the night before and day of their disappearance mixed up is unlikely.

Even if they talked to eachother about it & contacted LE separately with their testimony/tips & were "in line" waiting for LE to follow up with them for days on end.

Even if Lilly and Jack's custodial father/stepfather/partner of their mother stated what he did of his own volition in media interviews about what he knows about other people and what he claims he told LE, which has not been corroborated, AFAIK.

IMO, 2 neighbors who were concerned about 2 young kids in their neighborhood going missing as family & LE showed up to search with even more vehicles & drones & dogs & helicopters within hours of that night wouldn't (one or both) be likely to lose track of or be confused about the night before & day of the events happening right then and there in the surroundings of their rural residences they couldn't help but be witness to, and would be unlikely to mark the day & date incorrectly.

In all likelihood, it would be hard for them to forget exactly when and where they were witnesses to what they said they heard and/or saw every day, week, and month which has gone by since then.

JMO

 

[tlcya]

Possibly if he was trying to save $ and get rid of debris under cover of darkness -- e.g., saving on a tipping fee or having a dump sticker, which even so may not accept everything which doesn't fit in a trash bag, like larger pieces of scrap metal or matresses or carpet & it would have to go elsewhere.

No telling if it is likely or not getting rid of things at night to save $ or for convenience would "be a thing" someone like DM would be privvy to knowing about and/or how to do it.

Hypothetically speaking of course, in response to this potential scenario as to why someone could have been coming & going that night & not wish to divulge it to LE.

JMO

Are there laws and statutes about fly dumping in that region? If a run to get rid of accumulated garbage or debris and done in the dead of night was someone fly dumping and therefore wanted to do so under cover of darkness and then in light of missing children didn't want to admit that?

 

[MistyWaters]

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Even if they talked to eachother about it & contacted LE separately with their testimony/tips & were "in line" waiting for LE to follow up with them for days on end.

“In line” for 6 days waiting for LE to ask for their tip? How do you know this, where is this information coming from? I’ve never heard of people having to wait days and days to offer tips, that seems highly disorganized and counterproductive to a quality investigation. I assure you Canada’s RCMP is not a third-world police force.

The G&M confirmed with the RCMP that this tip was received on May 8th. Tips are called in and should officers involved in the investigation want to speak to the tipster, they contact them. Which according to news reports, they did a day later, on May 9th.

Nova Scotia RCMP dispute witness accounts in missing children case

HALIFAX — Nova Scotia RCMP say they have found no evidence to back up witness accounts of a vehicle driving back and forth early in the morning near the rural, northeastern home where two young children went missing in May. Spokesperson Cindy Bayers said investigators conducted a thorough review...

halifax.citynews.ca

“The documents say one of those residents, Brad Wong, told police on May 9 that in the early hours of May 2 he heard a loud vehicle coming and going from the family’s home on Gairloch Road. Wong said he could also see vehicle lights over the treetops and that the vehicle left their address three or four times after midnight and into the early morning hours.”

 

[tlcya]

Is it your belief that when someone calls in a tip in a case that receives hundreds of tips into the hotline set up for that case their statement is taken by investigators during that initial call? Such that a caller's tip is investigated in real time, same day?

My understanding is that the caller's contact information is collected along with some basic notes about what the caller is reporting. Then the tips are assigned to investigators to follow up on by interviewing the tipster. It seems logical to me that tips may or may not be followed up on same day depending on the number of investigators available, the volume of tips received and how investigators then prioritize their tips for follow up?

I could be wrong I suppose, in assuming that the day a tipster is interviewed may not be the same day they actually reached out to LE.
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Police have followed up on tips from the public, saying they have received more than 355 so far.

They also say they have interviewed more than 50 people, and have more interviews planned in the coming days.

Few other details about the investigation have been released.
Missing N.S. children were seen day before disappearance: police published May 28th and describes the volume of tips and the number of interviews conducted at that point.

 

[MistyWaters]

Is it your belief that when someone calls in a tip in a case that receives hundreds of tips into the hotline set up for that case their statement is taken by investigators during that initial call? Such that a caller's tip is investigated in real time, same day?

My understanding is that the caller's contact information is collected along with some basic notes about what the caller is reporting. Then the tips are assigned to investigators to follow up on by interviewing the tipster. It seems logical to me that tips may or may not be followed up on same day depending on the number of investigators available, the volume of tips received and how investigators then prioritize their tips for follow up?

I could be wrong I suppose, in assuming that the day a tipster is interviewed may not be the same day they actually reached out to LE.
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Police have followed up on tips from the public, saying they have received more than 355 so far.

They also say they have interviewed more than 50 people, and have more interviews planned in the coming days.

Few other details about the investigation have been released.
Missing N.S. children were seen day before disappearance: police published May 28th and describes the volume of tips and the number of interviews conducted at that point.

It seems we waste a whole lot of time word-warping what is reported to make it fit a scenario of choice. I can’t link what was written in the G&M August 8 news story as it’s paylocked. But it implicitly stated the G&M confirmed with the RCMP the tip was received Aug 8th. Not on August 9th, when Wong was spoken to, nor does it indicate he first contacted them May 2nd and waited 6 days for a followup.

There are various means of submitting tips, including online.

https://rcmp.ca/en/nova-scotia/news/2025/05/missing-children-help-rcmp-find-lilly-sullivan-and-jack-sullivan

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Lilly Sullivan and Jack Sullivan is asked to contact Pictou County District RCMP at 902-485-4333. To remain anonymous, call Nova Scotia Crime Stoppers, toll-free, at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477), submit a secure web tip at www.crimestoppers.ns.ca, or use the P3 Tips app.