CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Bigditch]

Just searched on Google and fb nothing from any source . I did see that the searchers were apparently using the community centre as a base and cbc had a reporter there according to a post on fb but I've checked the news feed and nothing

Was it cbc

Yes

 

[Bigditch]

That's a serious allegation of illegal activity with no evidence to suggest it. His finances and bank account were checked and he was guilt-free about that part of his life.

No offense, I'm not accusing Daniel, I'm applauding him if that's something he has chosen to do.

 

[Bodhi]

I agree. Being overwhelmed may be the reason the children were left on their own in the morning. It also could be the reason why they weren’t sent off to school, especially if they were not eager to go, which could be the case if they were challenged in keeping up with other children in their classes. It can be a situation where the children ‘call the shots’ in order to avoid the child having a temper tantrum, which I sort of gathered by DM saying they wouldn’t listen to MBM.

But I’m not sure that the children going to bed in their clothes is an indication of anything other than the way it is with strong willed children. For whatever reason, never did figure it out, my grandson hated putting on his pjs and sometimes it was just not worth the fight after he tucked himself into bed with blankets up to his chin. I suspected it was because he didn’t like getting up in the morning and he saved time by not having to get dressed. He would’ve wore the same clothes all week if he had his way.

Neighbors routinely dressed their kids for bed in what they'd wear to school the next day. The dress code at the kids' private school made it easy: navy sweat pants and a white jersey polo were comfortable for sleeping. It made mornings so much easier on everyone. Less scolding the kids to stay on task. Fewer meltdowns. The mornings became more positive, which meant the kids went off to school less stressed and ready to learn.

For families where everyone has to be out the door early, putting kids to bed in the clothes they'll where the next day may be a necessity. Many children eat breakfast at school or childcare. Children's clothing is more similar to pajamas than it used to be. Clothes are less rigid. Kids aren't wearing overalls with big buckles, smocked dresses, or pressed trousers to school. Most young children wear soft, flexible clothing that would be comfortable to sleep in.

 

[Bodhi]

I've been thinking about Lilly's backpack. According to both parents, Lilly was in the habit of putting her backpack next to the bed when she went to sleep. That indicates to me that she often jumped out of bed and within minutes was running down the driveway to get the bus. MOO.

Does anyone know what time the school bus usually picked up Lilly and Jack? Has it been stated publicly what time MBM reported them absent?

MBM told the school the kids were staying home because Lilly had a cough. Was that a white lie? Was the actual reason that they missed the bus because neither parent got up? Illness is a valid excuse. Absence because parents didn't feel up to getting kids ready is not. And it invites unwanted questions.

Here's where Lilly's backpack becomes relevant. The fact that she seems to have taken it indicates the kids expected to go to school that day IMO.

The kids also wanted to go to school, IMO. Maybe they were bored after 2 days off. Maybe something special was happening at school that day. Maybe they liked the structure--predictable daily routines and scheduled meals. Maybe they missed their teachers and friends. When their parents didn't get up, Lilly and Jack left the house to get the school bus. They didn't know they'd missed it.

Something in the woods along the road must have attracted their attention as they waited in vain for the bus. IMO. They'd never been across the road. It was novel. Maybe that's the direction they went. The forest edge is dense (from streetview on Google Maps recorded this summer). It appears to have a steep dropoff too. It'd be fun for little kids to run down, but maybe too difficult to climb back up. They moved on, either exploring further or looking for an easier way home. IMO.

I'm glad searchers are going back to that area. Let's hope they find clues that help bring the kids home.

 

[FromGermany1]

Neighbors routinely dressed their kids for bed in what they'd wear to school the next day. The dress code at the kids' private school made it easy: navy sweat pants and a white jersey polo were comfortable for sleeping. It made mornings so much easier on everyone. Less scolding the kids to stay on task. Fewer meltdowns. The mornings became more positive, which meant the kids went off to school less stressed and ready to learn.

For families where everyone has to be out the door early, putting kids to bed in the clothes they'll where the next day may be a necessity. Many children eat breakfast at school or childcare. Children's clothing is more similar to pajamas than it used to be. Clothes are less rigid. Kids aren't wearing overalls with big buckles, smocked dresses, or pressed trousers to school. Most young children wear soft, flexible clothing that would be comfortable to sleep in.

-ten years ago, as a mother of three school-aged children, I would never have come up with this idea. Never heard of other mum's, who did so. But that's me and GER.

 

[su5ie]

I've been thinking about Lilly's backpack. According to both parents, Lilly was in the habit of putting her backpack next to the bed when she went to sleep. That indicates to me that she often jumped out of bed and within minutes was running down the driveway to get the bus. MOO.

Does anyone know what time the school bus usually picked up Lilly and Jack? Has it been stated publicly what time MBM reported them absent?

MBM told the school the kids were staying home because Lilly had a cough. Was that a white lie? Was the actual reason that they missed the bus because neither parent got up? Illness is a valid excuse. Absence because parents didn't feel up to getting kids ready is not. And it invites unwanted questions.

Here's where Lilly's backpack becomes relevant. The fact that she seems to have taken it indicates the kids expected to go to school that day IMO.

The kids also wanted to go to school, IMO. Maybe they were bored after 2 days off. Maybe something special was happening at school that day. Maybe they liked the structure--predictable daily routines and scheduled meals. Maybe they missed their teachers and friends. When their parents didn't get up, Lilly and Jack left the house to get the school bus. They didn't know they'd missed it.

Something in the woods along the road must have attracted their attention as they waited in vain for the bus. IMO. They'd never been across the road. It was novel. Maybe that's the direction they went. The forest edge is dense (from streetview on Google Maps recorded this summer). It appears to have a steep dropoff too. It'd be fun for little kids to run down, but maybe too difficult to climb back up. They moved on, either exploring further or looking for an easier way home. IMO.

I'm glad searchers are going back to that area. Let's hope they find clues that help bring the kids home.

Maleyha reported the kids absent through the school app at 6..20am or thereabouts on Wednesday and Thursday morning , both mornings separately. It's in the documents.

A normal morning according to documents she arose at about 6.30am got the kids dressed , fed them ,brushed their teeth and washed them and got them to the end of the yard for the schol bus arriving circa 7.30 am so most mornings mbm planned plenty of time to get organised in the morning for the kids going to school it would seem .

The backpack is of huge interest to me as its never stated if this was her schoolbag or what it contained and I feel this is very important not for me personally but for locals , hunters and the rcmp in knowing the contents in case they were dropped or discarded if it became to heavy or was torn apart by wild animals . Locals would then know if they came across something whether it was relevant or not . Now prehaps this is local knowledge and it just hasn't been released in the wider public arena.

I have seen it reported in msm later articles or on the official missing page of the rcmp rewards system that lilly may have had her backpack and jack may have been wearing a pull up . ( you can 100% take my word for it on that wording ) so i take from that wording thsg there is a small possibility that they did not .

If the kids have wandered as it is speculated and the investigation is leading in that direction, something definitely attracted their attention to venture further than was normally allowed . It is mentioned in the documents that they were allowed venture further than their normal boundary when accompanied by ( redacted info ) I'm speculating DMs older children . So where did they usually venture to with this person that usually accompanied them . ?

I initially felt the kids wanted to go to school and prehaps were not aware they had to stay home but with the normal school morning seemingly being explained by mbm this morning definitely looked different from all aspects And I'm assuming lilly realised this even if she was not specifically told .

With no evidence found of the children being found venturing outside of the trailer or the yard I'm still stuck on Thursday at 2.25pm at the Dollarama not because I don't believe MBM or DM it's because I trust the search methods and the technology and dog type used and the effort that went into it . And I'm very surprised that even a direction of course was not found by dog ,human ,technology nothing . So what are we left with ? A vanishing into thin air ,with no clue and an unexplainable reason as to why ?

 

[dotr]

Nov. 15 2025

Some ‘items of interest’ located in ‘last-ditch’ search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan

Ontario-based not-for-profit led Saturday's search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan over rough terrain along Middle River

www.saltwire.com

''Ontario-based not-for-profit leads Saturday's ‘last-ditch’ search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan''
By Glenn MacDonald

Map of the five-kilometre loop that the volunteers searched for the missing children on Saturday. – GLENN MacDONALD

''Up to 40 volunteers congregated at Union Centre Community Hall on Saturday morning about 15 kilometres from where they will search the banks of Middle River for Lilly and Jack Sullivan. – GLENN MacDONALD
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“I’m disappointed in the community, to be honest. It has to take a group that’s not from this province that’s willing to do this,” said Gray, who made the hour-long drive from her Upper Musquodoboit home Saturday morning to the rendezvous point at Union Hall Community Centre, about 15 kilometres from where the children disappeared.
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“I thought more people in the community would have gotten involved. I know they have their reasons. But there’s a lot of private property signs now that weren’t up on May 2 (the date the children were reported missing). It’s disappointing to see that. Even the ones that can’t search. This is the day that a search is taking place. If you have property, do your own search on your own property so that way we can mark it off, to know that it’s been done.''

Belynda Gray, the paternal grandmother of Lilly and Jack Sullivan, stands outside Union Centre Community Hall in Pictou County on Saturday morning. – GLENN MacDONALD

“I hope we find something that tells us we’re on the right path.”

 

[Bigditch]

Depression? IIRC something about what Maleyha was doing in New Glasgow was contained in the documents. Depression can happen to anyone and any medical related information would no doubt be redacted. Purely speculation but it might’ve also prompted her mother to leave with her.
JMO

Worth considering that Malehya was suffering from depression and possibly seeing a therapist. It makes sense in terms of not remembering what the kids were wearing. Meds could have made her lethargic. Given her fog brain. Jmo

 

[MistyWaters]

Worth considering that Malehya was suffering from depression and possibly seeing a therapist. It makes sense in terms of not remembering what the kids were wearing. Meds could have made her lethargic. Given her fog brain. Jmo

I think DM eluded to Maleyha’s mental health issues when he asked that the public not attack her with online speculation. I also thought she appeared very fragile and vulnerable during that one and only interview after the children went missing.

Stepfather of missing N.S. kids reportedly says mother's grief worsening due to online speculation

Daniel Martell said online speculation about the missing children was making their mother's grief worse, per CTV news.

nationalpost.com

“It doesn’t get any easier. One month has passed,” Martell told CTV News. “Don’t attack Maleyha because her mental health is going to be reflected on our daughter, so I don’t want anyone attacking Maleyha anymore.”

 

[Bigditch]

I think DM eluded to Maleyha’s mental health issues when he asked that the public not attack her with online speculation. I also thought she appeared very fragile and vulnerable during that one and only interview after the children went missing.

Stepfather of missing N.S. kids reportedly says mother's grief worsening due to online speculation

Daniel Martell said online speculation about the missing children was making their mother's grief worse, per CTV news.

nationalpost.com

“It doesn’t get any easier. One month has passed,” Martell told CTV News. “Don’t attack Maleyha because her mental health is going to be reflected on our daughter, so I don’t want anyone attacking Maleyha anymore.”

Dbm

 

[MistyWaters]

Nov. 15 2025

Some ‘items of interest’ located in ‘last-ditch’ search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan

Ontario-based not-for-profit led Saturday's search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan over rough terrain along Middle River

www.saltwire.com

''Ontario-based not-for-profit leads Saturday's ‘last-ditch’ search for Lilly and Jack Sullivan''
By Glenn MacDonald
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Map of the five-kilometre loop that the volunteers searched for the missing children on Saturday. – GLENN MacDONALD

''Up to 40 volunteers congregated at Union Centre Community Hall on Saturday morning about 15 kilometres from where they will search the banks of Middle River for Lilly and Jack Sullivan. – GLENN MacDONALD
Article content
“I’m disappointed in the community, to be honest. It has to take a group that’s not from this province that’s willing to do this,” said Gray, who made the hour-long drive from her Upper Musquodoboit home Saturday morning to the rendezvous point at Union Hall Community Centre, about 15 kilometres from where the children disappeared.
Article content
“I thought more people in the community would have gotten involved. I know they have their reasons. But there’s a lot of private property signs now that weren’t up on May 2 (the date the children were reported missing). It’s disappointing to see that. Even the ones that can’t search. This is the day that a search is taking place. If you have property, do your own search on your own property so that way we can mark it off, to know that it’s been done.''
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Belynda Gray, the paternal grandmother of Lilly and Jack Sullivan, stands outside Union Centre Community Hall in Pictou County on Saturday morning. – GLENN MacDONALD

“I hope we find something that tells us we’re on the right path.”

BG has already stated she doesn’t believe the children will be found in the woods and now she’s criticizing locals for not continuing to search. Not a good way to win their cooperation IMO. I wonder why she changed her tune?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400

"I started to feel that I can't see them being in the woods.… There's trees everywhere. You literally have to climb over trees, climb under bushes. It is really, really thick."

Over six days, search and rescue teams combed through the forest as helicopters and drones whirred overhead.

The wider ground search was scaled back on May 7, but subsequent targeted searches have taken place since then. RCMP say they have extensively searched the children's home and property as well as nearby wells, mine shafts and septic systems as well as underwater searches of lakes.

Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.

"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

 

[FromGermany1]

BG has already stated she doesn’t believe the children will be found in the woods and now she’s criticizing locals for not continuing to search. Not a good way to win their cooperation IMO. I wonder why she changed her tune?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400

"I started to feel that I can't see them being in the woods.… There's trees everywhere. You literally have to climb over trees, climb under bushes. It is really, really thick."

Over six days, search and rescue teams combed through the forest as helicopters and drones whirred overhead.

The wider ground search was scaled back on May 7, but subsequent targeted searches have taken place since then. RCMP say they have extensively searched the children's home and property as well as nearby wells, mine shafts and septic systems as well as underwater searches of lakes.

Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.

"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

Maybe, there is a difference for her between "the woods" and "private property", which indeed is not the same. Does she think, the children could be found on private property and therefor that has to be searched also, best with members of another community?

 

[su5ie]

BG has already stated she doesn’t believe the children will be found in the woods and now she’s criticizing locals for not continuing to search. Not a good way to win their cooperation IMO. I wonder why she changed her tune?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-grandmother-missing-children-1.7563400

"I started to feel that I can't see them being in the woods.… There's trees everywhere. You literally have to climb over trees, climb under bushes. It is really, really thick."

Over six days, search and rescue teams combed through the forest as helicopters and drones whirred overhead.

The wider ground search was scaled back on May 7, but subsequent targeted searches have taken place since then. RCMP say they have extensively searched the children's home and property as well as nearby wells, mine shafts and septic systems as well as underwater searches of lakes.

Gray said she does feel the area has been extensively searched, describing the many orange and pink ribbons tied to trees to mark off areas that have been covered off.

"You could see places around where they played and you could see places around where you might want to explore as a kid," she said.

"But beyond those exploration points, there's no reason for any child to wander deep into the woods."

I think she makes a valid point though in fairness . Why did no local help with the search effort , regardless of who was organising the search where is the compassion, where is the community coming together for a common goal of finding those two precious kids .

Does BG abandon all hope of finding them in the woods just because she feels it has been searched throughly before ? Even if there is a 1% chance they may have found something, anything that indicates they are in there ?

I don't think BG clutching at straws is to be frowned upon I'm not related and I would want to double check and double check and then some if there was a slim chance the children could be found . Wouldn't you ?

I had wondered why locals had not done smaller searches once the rcmp lifted the cordone. I did wonder if they just minded their business or if the general consensus is that its futile because the suspicion or gossip is mbm hid them or whether it's a distrust or dislike of DM and his family prehaps over land / property issues .

In a human world these are two children 4 and 6 years old does it matter who is spearheading the campaign to find them as long as someone is trying otherwise they meant nothing to no one and are as forgotten as last years snow imo

 

[MistyWaters]

I think she makes a valid point though in fairness . Why did no local help with the search effort , regardless of who was organising the search where is the compassion, where is the community coming together for a common goal of finding those two precious kids .

Does BG abandon all hope of finding them in the woods just because she feels it has been searched throughly before ? Even if there is a 1% chance they may have found something, anything that indicates they are in there ?

I don't think BG clutching at straws is to be frowned upon I'm not related and I would want to double check and double check and then some if there was a slim chance the children could be found . Wouldn't you ?

I had wondered why locals had not done smaller searches once the rcmp lifted the cordone. I did wonder if they just minded their business or if the general consensus is that its futile because the suspicion or gossip is mbm hid them or whether it's a distrust or dislike of DM and his family prehaps over land / property issues .

In a human world these are two children 4 and 6 years old does it matter who is spearheading the campaign to find them as long as someone is trying otherwise they meant nothing to no one and are as forgotten as last years snow imo

I think it’s inconsiderate to criticize local people of something they’re not responsible for doing and I think her comments are uncalled for. How does she know this? She just assuming land owners have not searched their own properties, what kind of proof does she expect?

Between SAR and the RCMP a substantial search effort was undertaken, iirc largest in N.S. history, that includes private property in the search area, There’s also a risk to locals becoming involved when it’s known searchers and/or land owners get publicly accused of committing criminal acts (aka Abby and Libby). We’ve become a society where it’s become prudent to just mind one’s own business.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

I think it’s inconsiderate to criticize local people of something they’re not responsible for doing and I think her comments are uncalled for. How does she know this? She just assuming land owners have not searched their own properties, what kind of proof does she expect?

Between SAR and the RCMP a substantial search effort was undertaken, iirc largest in N.S. history, that includes private property in the search area, There’s also a risk to locals becoming involved when it’s known searchers and/or land owners get publicly accused of committing criminal acts (aka Abby and Libby). We’ve become a society where it’s become prudent to just mind one’s own business.
JMO

I do understand criticism of locals is not going to help gain the support of those same people. And therefore she could avoid them becoming a block in future searches . So yes prehaps speaking her mind publicly in this way might be a hindering factor .

You mention the search undertaken for lilly and jack by the RCMP's and SARS being the biggest in the history of nova scotia and I agree , which is why I find it harder to understand how they didn't find anything . But do you think that because it was such a big effort that the woods should now be ruled out and boxed off as kids not in there ,move on ,nothing to see here , why bother ? Because I feel none of the searches this one or any future ones are not in vain as long as someone is looking

Despite many cases showing how the perp can often participate in a search or how it has often turned out that a person from the locality that you thought you knew turns out to be an evil monster like in the libby and abby case , I still feel lots of locals would push past that possibility to go search for two small children . I do understand that society has become more prudent of getting involved but sure isn't that why so many children end up murdered because people have become adept at turning a blind eye and having a none of my business attitude or don't want to get involved for example the Sara Sharif case in England is a prime example of this current societal norm coming into play

Do we now consider that prehaps the kids aren't in the woods having wsndered , do we now consider that they came to harm not by misadventure but by someone else's hand like an abductor ?

 

[su5ie]

Maybe, there is a difference for her between "the woods" and "private property", which indeed is not the same. Does she think, the children could be found on private property and therefor that has to be searched also, best with members of another community?

Great observation. Yes private property would need the permission of the land owner

 

[Tilly23]

New article from cbc:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/items-discovered-during-volunteer-search-for-missing-n-s-children-not-relevant-rcmp-9.6980852

It seems the searchers found quite a few things during yesterday's search; however the RCMP has already stated that none of them are relevant.


MOO

 

[su5ie]

New article from cbc:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/items-discovered-during-volunteer-search-for-missing-n-s-children-not-relevant-rcmp-9.6980852

It seems the searchers found quite a few things during yesterday's search; however the RCMP has already stated that none of them are relevant.


MOO

Some great info to be gleaned from that article. Thanks for posting

So first off there was a bear or bears in the area

Secondly accredited cadaver dogs will return to the search area

And a child's t-shirt was found but mbm did not recognise it when shown by photo

Also seems to be conflict between local person and search team , I wonder who this local person is it is a man .

Rcmp did not involve themselves in the search

All in agreement woods were searched throughly by rcmp

Another child's blanket also found rcmp deemed it not important. Do the rcmp know something we don't?

 

[abanddb123]

I think she makes a valid point though in fairness . Why did no local help with the search effort , regardless of who was organising the search where is the compassion, where is the community coming together for a common goal of finding those two precious kids .

Does BG abandon all hope of finding them in the woods just because she feels it has been searched throughly before ? Even if there is a 1% chance they may have found something, anything that indicates they are in there ?

I don't think BG clutching at straws is to be frowned upon I'm not related and I would want to double check and double check and then some if there was a slim chance the children could be found . Wouldn't you ?

I had wondered why locals had not done smaller searches once the rcmp lifted the cordone. I did wonder if they just minded their business or if the general consensus is that its futile because the suspicion or gossip is mbm hid them or whether it's a distrust or dislike of DM and his family prehaps over land / property issues .

In a human world these are two children 4 and 6 years old does it matter who is spearheading the campaign to find them as long as someone is trying otherwise they meant nothing to no one and are as forgotten as last years snow imo

Apparently this doesn't matter to some people

 

[sunspun]

Nov 15, 2025 #ctvnews #ctvnationalnews #canadiannews
A new search is taking place for two children who have been missing since May 2. Robert Parker, warden of Pictou County, N.S. discusses the latest search efforts.

Wow, just look at this picture of them! You can see MBM's face so clearly in Lily's face here.

And then look at Jack! To me, he strongly resembles DM!

But I know, it doesn't mean anything, and others probably wouldn't agree, but I just can't not see it personally!

And they are sooooo happy in this picture.

Poor kids. I do so wonder what could have happened.