CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

So this information was true. I remember it being in an article months ago.

Brooks-Murray was asked if Martell was ever physically abusive.

“Malehya said he would try to block her, hold her down and once he pushed her,” the documents said.

“She said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”

Meanwhile, Martell told investigators they had recently been fighting about money, but otherwise their relationship was “good.”

Thank you so much @Slebby

Extremely interesting article

 

[Chimera]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

Thanks for the link, now it's out in the open and officially stated.

From the link :

RCMP Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon confirmed the nature of the relationship between Brooks-Murray and Martell at the time of the disappearance is part of the investigation.
Also : “He (Daniel) said they would yell at each other when they were fighting, but there was no physical violence in their relationship.:

“She (Malehyah) said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”
All emphasis mine.

First & second bolded : Was wondering about this.
Good to hear it directly from law enforcement.

Third and fourth bolded : So we have a he said, she said.
Jmo.

 

[tlcya]

In submissions filed recently with the court as part of the CBC’s application to access records, the Crown noted that although there is currently no “reasonable grounds” to believe a crime has taken place, as the investigation persists, it “could become criminal, and persons of interest in the disappearance of the children might be identified.”

The submissions also included an affidavit filed by the RCMP, noting police are “leveraging technology-based investigative techniques which may provide information to support criminality and uncover the whereabouts of the missing children.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

I agree with former detective Michael Arntfield, about the linguistic distinction.

 

[Sarahlou]

Thanks for the link, now it's out in the open and officially stated.

From the link :

RCMP Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon confirmed the nature of the relationship between Brooks-Murray and Martell at the time of the disappearance is part of the investigation.
Also : “He (Daniel) said they would yell at each other when they were fighting, but there was no physical violence in their relationship.:

“She (Malehyah) said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”
All emphasis mine.

First & second bolded : Was wondering about this.
Good to hear it directly from law enforcement.

Third and fourth bolded : So we have a he said, she said.
Jmo.

I know who I believe.
She took the very (likely) first safe chance to get out of there and away from him.

Still hoping the evidence that could lead to an arrest turns up very soon.

JMO.

 

[Gemmie]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

Was it somehow about money, either directly or indirectly? Lord knows that kids are expensive.

Martell told investigators they had recently been fighting about money

and...

The documents also suggest that Lilly and Jack’s biological fatheB [snip] had not seen the children in a few years, but was paying child support up until he lost his job nine months before their disappearance.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

 

[seasideForest]

Thanks for the link, now it's out in the open and officially stated.

From the link :

RCMP Staff Sgt. Rob McCamon confirmed the nature of the relationship between Brooks-Murray and Martell at the time of the disappearance is part of the investigation.
Also : “He (Daniel) said they would yell at each other when they were fighting, but there was no physical violence in their relationship.:

“She (Malehyah) said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”
All emphasis mine.

First & second bolded : Was wondering about this.
Good to hear it directly from law enforcement.

Third and fourth bolded : So we have a he said, she said.
Jmo.

On the third and fourth it could actually be the same actions 'interpreted' differently. Some physical abusers will hit someone and say "That wasn't violence! If it had been, you would have landed in hospital/ been bleeding/ had visible bruises everywhere".

Heard it myself in my teens.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

In submissions filed recently with the court as part of the CBC’s application to access records, the Crown noted that although there is currently no “reasonable grounds” to believe a crime has taken place, as the investigation persists, it “could become criminal, and persons of interest in the disappearance of the children might be identified.”

The submissions also included an affidavit filed by the RCMP, noting police are “leveraging technology-based investigative techniques which may provide information to support criminality and uncover the whereabouts of the missing children.”
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

I agree with former detective Michael Arntfield, about the linguistic distinction.

It seems as if the RCMP have rounded out the information in this release to indicate their investigation is indeed looking in every direction (perhaps to satisfy the public) without actually mentioning any specific progress in this missing children’s investigation whatsoever. “Could become criminal” is not definitive of “becoming criminal”.
JMO

 

[303gmf]

It seems as if the RCMP have rounded out the information in this release to indicate their investigation is indeed looking in every direction (perhaps to satisfy the public) without actually mentioning any specific progress in this missing children’s investigation whatsoever. “Could become criminal” is not definitive of “becoming criminal”.
JMO

About flipping time!!
Seems so much has been wasted

 

[tlcya]

It seems as if the RCMP have rounded out the information in this release to indicate their investigation is indeed looking in every direction (perhaps to satisfy the public) without actually mentioning any specific progress in this missing children’s investigation whatsoever. “Could become criminal” is not definitive of “becoming criminal”.
JMO

agree, not at all definitive. Just as no evidence at this time does not mean cleared.

 

[hersay]

Mother of missing N.S. children complained of intimate partner violence to police, court documents show

Lilly and Jack Sullivan remain missing more than eight months after they disappeared

www.theglobeandmail.com

This is paywalled, not sure if anyone can access to summarize if there is any additional information not in the CBC article. MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

Court documents shed light on relationship of mother, stepfather of missing N.S. children​

Lilly, 6, and Jack, 5, went missing from Lansdowne, N.S., in May 2025​

Aly Thomson, Angela MacIvor · CBC News · Posted: Jan 15, 2026 5:00 AM EST | Last Updated: 9 hours ago

This may just be an update/different take on info posted in the article linked upthread, just providing this link with these particular excerpts that were maybe not highlighted upthread (BBM):

"The disappearance is still being investigated under the provincial Missing Persons Act and has not moved to a criminal investigation, according to RCMP.
..........
In submissions filed recently with the court as part of the CBC’s application to access records, the Crown noted that although there is currently no “reasonable grounds” to believe a crime has taken place, as the investigation persists, it “could become criminal, and persons of interest in the disappearance of the children might be identified.”

The submissions also included an affidavit filed by the RCMP, noting police are “leveraging technology-based investigative techniques which may provide information to support criminality and uncover the whereabouts of the missing children.”

Michael Arntfield, a former police detective and professor at Western University in London, Ont., said the Crown is choosing its words carefully in its submissions.

“When they state that there are no reasonable grounds for a criminal offence, what that really says to me is that there is currently not enough evidence to make an arrest for a crime, but a crime is not obviously being ruled out,” said Arntfield in a recent interview.

“It's a very important linguistic distinction.”

"

 

[Serononin]

Further proof that physiology and the ability to control stress response are what a polygraph reads not some magic truth serum

Most worldwide intelligence agencies train their operatives in physiological control so they don't fall victim to an enemy state under polygraph and give away state secrets or buckle under pressurised interrogation.

I have stated before that ones ability to lie determines whether or not they can fool people into thinking they are truthful . A simple example would be poker face at a high stakes card game . Most sociopaths could pass a lie detector too as they are used to having no emotional reaction to things most would find distressing

Some studies have suggested games like call of duty and Gta have desensitized young children and teens to violence so they are more likely to have a non reactive state when faced with similar in RL

So depending on the psychological make up of the person and what they have been exposed to , it will influence results.

While I have to take it as face value that each person was deemed truthful I can also have doubts to the tests reliability jmho

I was actually shocked when I found out (through following this case) that police forces actually used polygraphs at all, I thought they were just used for theatrics on Jeremy Kyle these days

 

[su5ie]

I was actually shocked when I found out (through following this case) that police forces actually used polygraphs at all, I thought they were just used for theatrics on Jeremy Kyle these days

Me Too, I actually thought they were pseudoscience

 

[Bigditch]

Me Too, I actually thought they were pseudoscience

A psychic's trick.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I was actually shocked when I found out (through following this case) that police forces actually used polygraphs at all, I thought they were just used for theatrics on Jeremy Kyle these days

Cops I've known over the years call them more of an investigative tool. I guess they're useful in their own way, even if not considered realiable enough for the courts.

jmo

 

[su5ie]

https://archive.is/APDov

Another article in the globe and mail

What was removed as evidence during the search

 

[Bigditch]

https://archive.is/APDov

Another article in the globe and mail

What was removed as evidence during the search

The toothbrush bit is interesting. Possible drug residue? Jmo

 

[Bigditch]

Cops I've known over the years call them more of an investigative tool. I guess they're useful in their own way, even if not considered realiable enough for the courts.

jmo

They were probably a great tool in their day, but like a lot of forensic tools the bad guys proved to outsmart them. Jmo

 

[Sillybilly]

The toothbrush bit is interesting. Possible drug residue? Jmo

Children's toothbrushes for the DNA of the children.

 

[Bigditch]

Children's toothbrushes for the DNA of the children.

Yeah okay, took me a minute to get where you were going Sillybilly.