CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025

[MistyWaters]

RBBM

The past tense bothers me.

MOO

<modsnip> ... his Maritimer twang makes it impossible to know if he said “loved” or “loves”, seems it’s a draw. CNN is leaning toward “loves”.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/05/americas/missing-siblings-canada-nova-scotia-intl-hnk

“Jack just absolutely loves bugs, dinosaurs,” Martell said. “Lily loves girly things but she also loves doing everything with Jack.”

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks, we are Victim Friendly until we can't be. I've heard that WSers don't like having to eat crow.

LE has not indicated that anyone is a POI or suspect. It is fine to question facts as they are presented, but please leave your insinuations/accusations out of this discussion.

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This does not mean, however, that statements made by family members and other third parties cannot come into discussion as the facts of the case are reported in the media. Members may reasonably discuss what is said in MSM by them or about them, but do not make random accusations, insinuations, suggest their involvement, trash, bash or attack them, or speculate negatively about them.

 

[whitelilac]

The media published the photo of the boyfriends trailer to illustrate where the children lived. Had they not, we’d be questioning the reason for secrecy. There’s no suggestion the boyfriend’s mother and brother are central to the children’s disappearance so a photo of their trailer would be infringing on their privacy, how I see it IMO.

Yes, absolutely understandable.
But I didn't mean "invisible" in that sense.
It's only in the last day we learned that Daniel's mother and brother live on the property in another trailer.
I simply wondered why Daniel did not mention checking it when he went out to look for the children.
Maybe, inconsequential or insignificant would have been better words.

 

[MistyWaters]

I certainly could be wrong but to me the optimism of LE is uplifting. It’s as if this wooded area search is smoke and mirrors to front a different source of investigation. Totally wild thought but we’ve seen other cases in Canada in the recent past where family members have abducted young children, believing they’re protecting them from negative influences. JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/pictou-county-missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-6-1.7527394

"Police are pursuing all investigative avenues and there's a variety of teams involved who are applying the tools and the skills and the expertise needed to locate and and bring Lily and Jack home," RCMP spokesperson Cpl. Carlie McCann told reporters Tuesday afternoon.

"This does remain a missing person investigation."

 

[MistyWaters]

Yes, absolutely understandable.
But I didn't mean "invisible" in that sense.
It's only in the last day we learned that Daniel's mother and brother live on the property in another trailer.
I simply wondered why Daniel did not mention checking it when he went out to look for the children.
Maybe, inconsequential or insignificant would have been better words.

Often comments published by the media aren’t entirely accurate, compared to what’s stated in police interviews. We can’t know why that is, or if from time to time reporters just leave parts out?

 

[Allabouttrial]

<modsnip> ... his Maritimer twang makes it impossible to know if he said “loved” or “loves”, seems it’s a draw. CNN is leaning toward “loves”.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/05/americas/missing-siblings-canada-nova-scotia-intl-hnk

“Jack just absolutely loves bugs, dinosaurs,” Martell said. “Lily loves girly things but she also loves doing everything with Jack.”

Hmmm, I originally heard it as loved, upon listening back with my headphones on it could be loves, you can hear the S in "Lily loves girly" but then I hear "also love" without the S. He talks pretty fast and with his accent it could quite possibly be "loves".

I've asked a mod to edit my post and insert a ? to be on the safe side!

 

[otto]

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I think the biggest piece of information we have that the parents are truthful is the fact that they split up ... where he is at home, and she is with her mother's family. If they were guilty of anything more than not locking the door, they would stay together to keep their story straight.

The children left the house on Friday morning. Was anyone else on the property? We don't know. The stepfather's mother and brother live on the property, but we don't know whether they were home. Because four adults live on the property, the parents would most likely ignore the sound of a vehicle on the property.

If the children were going to run-away, or leave the house to play, they would probably go to their fort. I think it's unlikely that they would go on a cross country journey. Could they have become lost? Yes. Abducted? Yes.

I'm curious how much time passed between telling their daughter to leave them alone to sleep, and when they started to look for the children. I'm also curious about how much time they spent looking for the children before calling RCMP. First they would check around the house, then check with the mother and brother, next to the forts, then the road, then drive down the road ... then phone call to RCMP.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Totally wild thought but we’ve seen other cases in Canada in the recent past where family members have abducted young children, believing they’re protecting them from negative influences.

SBM

I haven't been on many Canadian cases. If you know, in those cases how soon after the child went missing did they name the POI's?

 

[whitelilac]

Someone, who knows the area, earlier described that road to be quite busy, and sometimes people speed by. And that children would not tend to walk on it because there are no sidewalks.

What if they did go to the road...especially since they didn't like getting wet. (marshy areas I read.)
It is possible they were picked up, with some kind of ruse. Mom stated the kids talked to everyone. Also possible there was an accident, but there would have been signs I think. And if an accident, I doubt whomever would take them away if no-one saw anything.

I hate to think of abduction....but it's not out of the question imo.

 

[otto]

SBM

I haven't been on many Canadian cases. If you know, in those cases how soon after the child went missing did they name the POI's?

After the children were found.

 

[MistyWaters]

SBM

I haven't been on many Canadian cases. If you know, in those cases how soon after the child went missing did they name the POI's?

If it involves abduction, not long as LE must alert the public to be on the lookout for the abductor.

In this particular case nothing at all has ever been said about foul play being suspected, even though so far the area search has proven futile.

 

[MistyWaters]

After the children were found.

I’m thinking of the mother from Manitoba who was a lawyer, ran off with her son and was arrested in the US, and the aunt and grandma who abducted the girls, arrested near Radium or Invermere BC. I think you’re probably familiar with both those missing children cases.

 

[TristanP]

So convoluted as stories change daily.

Stories changing daily…and only one person actually talking. That’s problematic,

 

[otto]

I’m thinking of the mother from Manitoba who was a lawyer, ran off with her son and was arrested in the US, and the aunt and grandma who abducted the girls, arrested near Radium or Invermere BC. I think you’re probably familiar with both those missing children cases.

Yes. The Alberta family abductors were not named as persons of interest, but RCMP did ask them to contact RCMP and return the girls. The Manitoba abduction was different, as it was made to appear as a murder or random abduction. I don't recall whether the mother was identified as a person of interest, but there is a benefit of the doubt when mothers abduct their children.

 

[iveyguy]

Someone, who knows the area, earlier described that road to be quite busy, and sometimes people speed by. And that children would not tend to walk on it because there are no sidewalks.

This was me. My gut feeling is that there's a very, very remote chance of a stranger abduction from the first car that saw them on the highway. Otherwise, any other driver would have remembered and/or reacted to seeing two small, improperly dressed children on the highway, and this would have been reported by now.

I think there's a much greater chance of an abduction from the property, especially if it's normal for visitors to come & go. The timeline is not clear, but the stepfather estimated a 20-minute gap before he noticed them missing. Both the mother and stepfather have mentioned (repeatedly) that the children are friendly and would willingly get into a car with other adults. And, as mentioned above, they were both very quick in asking LE to investigate an abduction vs. searching locally.

 

[otto]

Stories changing daily…and only one person actually talking. That’s problematic,

My impression is that more information is revealed in response to online curiosity. When we learned that the mother had left the family home, and gone to stay with family, we were curious. Now we know. There was an altercation between the families at the family home, and the mother chose to leave with her family. We were curious about who else might have access to the property. Now we know that the stepfather's mother and brother live on the property.

I think the stepfather's description of his reaction to discovering that the children were missing was all over the place and out of order, but I don't think it has changed. He admitted that he told his daughter to leave them alone even though I think the parents should have got out of bed to look after the children. That must have been hard to admit. Both parents stayed in bed, so there's no reason for one to blame the other. They both messed up.

 

[Rosegold68]

Daft question coming up…. But is it Bear country?

 

[MistyWaters]

Daft question coming up…. But is it Bear country?

Google says there’s black bears but they’re not usually dangerous. Regardless, in the case of bear attacks there would be visible indications. ie blood, clothing, etc.

 

[Amstorrs]

I am having some speculation, but I think quite different than most people are having about this case. I think this one really requires an open mind, because it's not a case where it's "obvious" what happened.

I am in the same boat. I will be curious to see if we have the same idea, and if we, or one of us, are correct.

 

[byo]

I'm surprised no family dogs followed the children.