CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lily Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025

[Snoop Sister]

I agree. This is reminding me of the case of Orrin and Orson West.

Yes I remember following that case. They still haven’t found those boys, have they? I hope Lily and Jack are found.

 

[Andreee]

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yes and it may have been too early for them to make a judgement. Thats why I think the timing of it was a good opportunity to separate them.

Yes, I think it was a wise and good thing to separate the couple, which of course is often LE policy. That way, each individual can give their account of what happened that morning. This is a remote area, and it just makes sense for the mother and baby to join her immediate family IMO. It gives the investigators space as well at the scene. The mother did give one public statement and that is enough. As for the stepdad, as he and his family own or rent the property, it makes more sense for him to stay there with his brother and mother for now IMO. If he is the spokesperson so be it. Let him talk publicly as much as he wants, every word can be analyzed by the powers that be.

 

[Chimera]

Yes, apparently this fight occurred on Saturday, the day after the children were reported missing at an unknown time. Now I’m thinking DM doesn’t know the time MBM called 911 because he was out searching. And she’s no longer talking to him or the media. So we really don’t know when the children were last seen or heard by the either of the couple, let alone by others. I’m sure this is being kept out of the news for a good reason.

BBM

RCMP scaling back search for missing Pictou County children

Despite public appeals, there have been no reports of sightings Jack and Lily Sullivan.

www.saltwire.com

Daniel Robert Martell, the children’s stepfather, told The Chronicle Herald that he and the children’s mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, last heard Jack and Lily on Friday morning as they lay in bed with their baby.

“The sun was already up and Lily came into the (bedroom),” said Martell.

“She had a pink shirt on. We could hear Jackie in the kitchen. A few minutes later we didn’t hear them so I went out to check. The sliding door was closed. Their boots were gone.”

Martell is not Jack and Lily’s father. He’s been Brooks-Murray’s partner for three years.

He said the children have undiagnosed autism and it is not like them to wander far. Martell said he immediately jumped in the car and searched neighbouring roads, looking in culverts. By the time he returned home, the RCMP were there, having been called by the children’s mother.

Brooks-Murray left the home Saturday to be with family. According to Martell, the two have had no contact since.

Martell said Wednesday that he had been working with Northeast Nova Major Crime, had provided the RCMP with his cellphone and had agreed to do a lie detector test.

All bolding mine.
Good points !
A lot to unpack here, imo.

Red bolded : If the children haven't been diagnosed, does the stepdad know this for certain ?
Is this the second time stepdad has said they're autistic ?
Asking as my neighbor's second husband thought her son (from her first marriage) had autism and he even took the child in for tests and wanted to start him on some meds.
The boy (3 yrs old) does not have autism nor is he showing symptoms. Not sure what is going on there.

However ... back to Lily and Jack.

Green bolded : Just an observation and only my opinion; I would be very unhappy if the mother of my toddler took him and didn't contact me. I would need to see my little one !
Just sits wrong w/me, somehow ?

Purple bolded : Did LE ask him to take one ?
B/c if not-- I prob. wouldn't volunteer.
If the stepdad Martell is basing this on social media comments-- he shouldn't be reading anything and only helping to search.
The only thing that matters is finding Jack and Lily.
Nothing else !

Orange bolded : Wonder why ?
Imo.

 

[MistyWaters]

Do you have a source for this? Not doubting you, would just be curious to read it myself. I hadn't heard that.

I was a topic of discussion here a few days ago. Report by CBC -

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/pictou-county-missing-children-lily-jack-sullivan-may-6-1.7527394

Martell said that after the disappearance, the children's mother left the area to be with her family in another part of the province and has blocked him on social media.

He said there was an argument between the two families out in the yard of the home that day.

"My mother had to kick … some people off the property 'cause they were saying that I did it, I had something to do with it, and I'm the only one here fighting for them, which is sad," he said.

The children's mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, spoke to CTV News on Saturday, saying that she was trying to stay hopeful.

"I want to hold them and I want them home," she told CTV.”

 

[MistyWaters]

All bolding mine.
Good points !
A lot to unpack here, imo.

Red bolded : If the children haven't been diagnosed, does the stepdad know this for certain ?
Is this the second time stepdad has said they're autistic ?
Asking as my neighbor's second husband thought her son from her first marriage had autism and he even took the child in for tests and wanted to start him on some meds.
The boy (3 yrs old) does not have autism nor is he showing symptoms. Not sure what is going on there.

However ... back to Lily and Jack.

Green bolded :Just an observation and only my opinion : I would be very unhappy if the mother of my toddler took him and didn't contact me. I would need to see my little one !
Just sits wrong w/me, somehow ?

Purple bolded : Did LE ask him to take one ?
B/c if not-- I prob. wouldn't volunteer.
If the stepdad Martell is basing this on social media comments-- he shouldn't be reading anything and only helping to search.
The only thing that matters is finding Jack and Lily.
Nothing else !

Orange bolded : Wonder why ?
Imo.

The mother also stated both children had possible autism. See her interview transcript, post 181 - page 10 - on this thread so it must’ve been a situation discussed between the two.

“They are definitely verbal, and they do have possible autism, but it's not extreme autism; It's just... they have issues with school and they don't catch up with the other kids.”

 

[ttjo]

Alternatively, she may have legal council. I wouldn’t be surprised if Chief and Council from her reserve, have provided some support.

Right ! I forgot about that, often the band gets a big say in things, like taking the baby temporarily until the property is repaired.. If that were the case
In fact a lot of times they try to reach out to family members ( stakeholders) first, especially when a child is that small.

 

[flashy09]

The trailer that the mother and brother live in are not far from the sliding door the kids came out.Why did they not see or hear the kids?I would like to know where they were as well!
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This feels like Summer Wells all over again

 

[ttjo]

It’s impossible to form an opinion without having all the facts at hand to base it upon.

The time a 911 call was placed is a significant piece of information in every other case I’ve followed, don’t know why it wouldn’t be here. That two adults are apparently still in bed dozing off at 10 a.m., ignoring their 4 and 6 year old children who have silently slipped out a patio door doesn’t paint a very good picture IMO

I hear you, and I am open to anything I might not be aware of. I can understand it can help contribute to a timeline, I guess I am stuck on not knowing the last time they were seen by anybody else. I imagine if they were in school Tuesday, they were seen then but after that its hard to know what could have happened and when. I am sure L/E are putting everything together, cell phone data etc. location services.

Sadly it doesnt change that the kids are missing or the potential outcome at this point.

 

[Snoop Sister]

Right ! I forgot about that, often the band gets a big say in things, like taking the baby temporarily until the property is repaired.. If that were the case

The band can’t take the baby…that would be CAS. I meant legal help, referring the mom to different mental and emotional support programs that the Rez has etc.

 

[ttjo]

The band can’t take the baby…that would be CAS. I meant legal help, referring the mom to different mental and emotional support programs that the Rez has etc.

ok I see what you mean, I thought you were talking about bill C-92 on the placement of children

An Act respecting First Nations, Inuit and Métis children, youth and families

Federal laws of Canada

laws.justice.gc.ca

 

[TMich6811]

Do we know who owns all of the land they searched?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Plus apparently not speaking to the step-dad since either...raises alarm bells doesn't it?!

No. None whatsoever.

 

[Seni]

Yes, I think it was a wise and good thing to separate the couple, which of course is often LE policy. That way, each individual can give their account of what happened that morning. This is a remote area, and it just makes sense for the mother and baby to join her immediate family IMO. It gives the investigators space as well at the scene. The mother did give one public statement and that is enough. As for the stepdad, as he and his family own or rent the property, it makes more sense for him to stay there with his brother and mother for now IMO. If he is the spokesperson so be it. Let him talk publicly as much as he wants, every word can be analyzed by the powers that be.

Could also have been to remove the youngest from potentially dangerous situation, whilst authorities evaluate. By that I mean the possibility of a predator/abductor had not been eliminated

 

[Bethanya85]

By their parents.

I'm dying to know when the last time anyone who was not their parents saw either of the children.

This. I think this is very important. I don’t feel very confident in the accounting of events by the parents. I think it would be really enlightening to find a third party who last saw the kids.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

This. I think this is very important. I don’t feel very confident in the accounting of events by the parents. I think it would be really enlightening to find a third party who last saw the kids.

Exactly. All the "facts" that we know at this point have come from two people. The last two people to have allegedly see the children. <modsnip>

 

[Tilly23]

Could also have been to remove the youngest from potentially dangerous situation, whilst authorities evaluate. By that I mean the possibility of a predator/abductor had not been eliminated

Yes, that could be.

Another possibility could be that it is really hard for a small child (the 16 month old) to be in that environment, with drones and helicopters flying overhead at all hours and everyone around them in deep distress. I have the impression that the mother is not all that far away - likely not more than an hour or so by car.


All MOO.

 

[Bethanya85]

Yes, that could be.

Another possibility could be that it is really hard for a small child (the 16 month old) to be in that environment, with drones and helicopters flying overhead at all hours and everyone around them in deep distress. I have the impression that the mother is not all that far away - likely not more than an hour or so by car.


All MOO.

Okay but, earnestly, I *cannot* imagine leaving the place my children last were so soon after they have been lost. I really can’t. Can you? I’m sincerely asking. In that same place, would you leave that place because of loud machinery?

 

[Beans]

Yes, that could be.

Another possibility could be that it is really hard for a small child (the 16 month old) to be in that environment, with drones and helicopters flying overhead at all hours and everyone around them in deep distress. I have the impression that the mother is not all that far away - likely not more than an hour or so by car.


All MOO.

Yes, you can imagine that being difficult, but I still find it strange that the mother is prepared to leave the area where the kids went missing, while search efforts are ongoing, even if she isn't allowed to participate or help.

 

[LivvyL]

I kinda believe him. Of course I’ve been wrong before.

 

[MistyWaters]

I kinda believe him. Of course I’ve been wrong before.

I’ve been wrong before too but nothing jumps out at me yet to indicate anything more nefarious than what he claims. As both of their stories align very well, it’s difficult for me to believe two people would be involved in a double homicide of small children. That leaves the possibility of coverup of an accidental death or an abduction of some sort. I’m confident the RCMP will figure it out.