Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025 #3

[acutename]

The US is not the only country with a sordid history. We have one, too. (eg: Link and Link ) But we are owning it, and trying to rectify it.

And I think the reason that not everything that a museum owns is on display is because they have too much stuff. They have to rotate it. Put some out in exhibitions, then take that down and put other stuff out. It also keeps people interested in visiting the museum on multiple occasions to view the things that were previously stored.

The US seems to not only be involved in newly formed trade wars, but is now also at war with its own history. Which is not particularly enlightening for the youngsters who are growing up with no knowledge of the mistakes of the past, so those mistakes are not made again.

imo

If you go back through some US history, there is discrimination, and then are "protected classes," and then there are quotas and then there are reverse discrimination law suits which are not initially successful. There are law suits about who qualifies to be in what class and who does not and it gets technical and almost discriminatory itself. It is not so much a progression as a timeline with backlash and you are seeing a tidal wave of that now. (Puerto Rico: "weren't we going to be the 51st State? On second thought, never mind....")

But I do not understand the new expansionism with Canada, Greenland and Panama... I understand the maps and the shipping routes, but if all of this was thought about before, really missed it. Alaska was called "Seward's Folly" and was thought to be an extravagant and foolish purchase in 1867.... of course they say that you cannot create more land, but we probably could do that with an engineering project as we routinely dredge and shore up beaches.

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[Trooper]

I bet congress rues the day with ever increasing deep regret that they lazily allowed the right to inflict tariffs move from them to the president. What a colossal error, and what monumental consequences on the horizon that are now set in motion. .

 

[Snoopster]

If you go back through some US history, there is discrimination, and then are "protected classes," and then there are quotas and then there are reverse discrimination law suits which are not initially successful. There are law suits about who qualifies to be in what class and who does not and it gets technical and almost discriminatory itself. It is not so much a progression as a timeline with backlash and you are seeing a tidal wave of that now. (Puerto Rico: "weren't we going to be the 51st State? On second thought, never mind....")

But I do not understand the new expansionism with Canada, Greenland and Panama... I understand the maps and the shipping routes, but if all of this was thought about before, really missed it. Alaska was called "Seward's Folly" and was thought to be an extravagant and foolish purchase in 1867.... of course they say that you cannot create more land, but we probably could do that with an engineering project as we routinely dredge and shore up beaches.

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Harbor Island

Harbor Island is an artificial island in the mouth of the Duwamish River in Seattle, Washington, United States, where it empties into Elliott Bay. Built by the Puget Sound Bridge and Dredging Company, it was completed in 1909 and was then the largest artificial island in the world, at 350 acres (1.4 km2).

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"I do not understand the new expansionism."

It's simple. It's called greed (wanting key resources and an Arctic route). And control over who goes through the Panama Canal. Greed is selfish. It's a desire for complete control (yet sucking up to Russia, so that's a twist).

 

[Herat]

If you go back through some US history, there is discrimination, and then are "protected classes," and then there are quotas and then there are reverse discrimination law suits which are not initially successful. There are law suits about who qualifies to be in what class and who does not and it gets technical and almost discriminatory itself. It is not so much a progression as a timeline with backlash and you are seeing a tidal wave of that now. (Puerto Rico: "weren't we going to be the 51st State? On second thought, never mind....")

But I do not understand the new expansionism with Canada, Greenland and Panama... I understand the maps and the shipping routes, but if all of this was thought about before, really missed it. Alaska was called "Seward's Folly" and was thought to be an extravagant and foolish purchase in 1867.... of course they say that you cannot create more land, but we probably could do that with an engineering project as we routinely dredge and shore up beaches.

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Harbor Island

Harbor Island is an artificial island in the mouth of the Duwamish River in Seattle, Washington, United States, where it empties into Elliott Bay. Built by the Puget Sound Bridge and Dredging Company, it was completed in 1909 and was then the largest artificial island in the world, at 350 acres (1.4 km2).

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I think that the reality of global warming is showing the northern Arctic is a feasible trade route after all, and a route that must be protected in a way that was not considered in the 20th century. During the 1800's and such it was just a frozen nightmare where there was a Northwest Passage, but it was an unreliable trade route.

I'd like to know how Trump came up with the idea of annexing Canada and Greenland. I have to think that somehow Putin gave him the idea. He should have propsed a Northern Arctic Association or something like that where there was a common interest and common ownership of the territory and routes, sort of along the lines of NATO to keep Putin out, without having to own the entire thing.

His faith in his ability to Deal is not a fruitful way to do global diplomacy. Trying to make secure neighbors capitulate by manipulating trade is unwarranted economic war.

 

[Snoopster]

I bet congress rues the day with ever increasing deep regret that they lazily allowed the right to inflict tariffs move from them to the president. What a colossal error, and what monumental consequences on the horizon that are now set in motion. .

Well some of them for sure.
Rep Don Bacon (GOP - nebraska) said it was a mistake to hand over their rightful power to the President's office and suggested that the House/Congress should take back their rightful power.

Unfortunately I don't think the rest of the Republicans will agree since they have lost their agency and will agree to anything Trump asks.

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[SouthAussie]

"I do not understand the new expansionism."

It's simple. It's called greed (wanting key resources and an Arctic route). And control over who goes through the Panama Canal. Greed is selfish. It's a desire for complete control (yet sucking up to Russia, so that's a twist).

I would bet that some of Trump's billionaire backers are shipping magnates. Not that it is easy to determine such a thing. We learned in the Bayesian tragedy, while researching other incidents, that shipping magnates conceal their ownership under layer after layer of LLCs - for insurance purposes and avoidance of liabilities.

I remember reading, not long ago, about the US whining about how much they pay to Panama for using the Panama Canal.


Ships using the canal must pay fees set by the canal authority. Variable rates have soared in recent years amid droughts worsened by global heating, which dry up essential reservoirs and reduce the canal’s capacity.

Who owns the Panama Canal and why does Trump want it?

In his inaugural speech Trump claimed the Panama Canal was a ‘foolish gift’ that should never have been made and vowed to take it back

www.theguardian.com

imo

 

[Herat]

The Panama Canal had some recent activity that is very curious.

A Hong Kong billionaire, Li Ka-Shing actually owned and operated two of the five ports along the the Panama Canal through the company CK Hutchison. CK Hutchison owned and operates 45 major ports across the world. They had owned Balboa and Cristobal ports in Panama since 1997.

CK Hutchison sold the two Panamanian ports as well as control interests in the other 43 ports for $22.8 billion USD cash to a US-based Blackrock, Inc consortium. The deal is to be finalized in April.

China has been hugely concerned about this purchase, and may try to block it. China has made substantial investments in South America and having some common interests as the Hong Kong businessman gave them some stability. China has issued a ban on dealing with the Li Ka-Shing family in any of it's operations.

Like Warren Buffet, Li Ka-Shing has turned significant assets to cash, and there are concerns this is a sign of a severe economic downturn.

 

[Herat]

You've got my total support. I would love to believe there is another view, but I can't find it.

I'm curious. Why is the US admin trying to take over Canada (and is being more aggressive to Canada, their closest ally), but not Mexico? What is the difference between the two countries? Is it resources? Is it race? I'm not sure, but I'm definitely curious.

Trade routes and military security. Oil, Oil, Oil, then mining for rare earth elements. Both northern Canada and Greenland are very sparsely populated so there is less of the messy business of dealing with the homes and lives of millions of people in Mexico.

 

[Trooper]

The Panama Canal had some recent activity that is very curious.

A Hong Kong billionaire, Li Ka-Shing actually owned and operated two of the five ports along the the Panama Canal through the company CK Hutchison. CK Hutchison owned and operates 45 major ports across the world. They had owned Balboa and Cristobal ports in Panama since 1997.

CK Hutchison sold the two Panamanian ports as well as control interests in the other 43 ports for $22.8 billion USD cash to a US-based Blackrock, Inc consortium. The deal is to be finalized in April.

China has been hugely concerned about this purchase, and may try to block it. China has made substantial investments in South America and having some common interests as the Hong Kong businessman gave them some stability. China has issued a ban on dealing with the Li Ka-Shing family in any of it's operations.

Like Warren Buffet, Li Ka-Shing has turned significant assets to cash, and there are concerns this is a sign of a severe economic downturn.

I wonder if it has some connection to the proposed new canal to be built, thru Nicaragua... .... apparently, to be built to cater for supership container carriers.... Ortega is rumored to be all for it... The Chinese are on board with it from the get go...

 

[Herat]

Well some of them for sure.
Rep Don Bacon (GOP - nebraska) said it was a mistake to hand over their rightful power to the President's office and suggested that the House/Congress should take back their rightful power.

Unfortunately I don't think the rest of the Republicans will agree since they have lost their agency and will agree to anything Trump asks.

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Elon Musk's ability to give out very large sums of money without following campaign finance laws is an irrestistable lure to redneck congressmen trying to keep their jobs. They have only 2 year terms (in contrast with the Senate's 6-year terms). That means House Representatives are always campaigning for the next election. Always campaigning and as a result, always fundraising. Elon can ease their pain and reduce the number of rubber chicken dinners in Paducaville they have to do.

Trump is essentially using Musk to bribe the GOP congress. You would think there would be some senior statesmen and real patriots emerge and throw it back as they held fast the US Constitution.

 

[Herat]

I wonder if it has some connection to the proposed new canal to be built, thru Nicaragua... .... apparently, to be built to cater for supership container carriers.... Ortega is rumored to be all for it... The Chinese are on board with it from the get go...

Interesting. Interesting.

The fellow that started the work on the Panama Canal Frederich de Lesseps, was French, and had just finished the Suez Canal. The project was a logistical nightmare and full of yellow fever and death of workers. He started in 1881 but had to quit in 1889 because of lack of money and the presence of disease. The US re-started the project in 1903 after helping create Panama from Colombian ownership, and completed it in 1914.

I don't know much about the topograpy of Nicaragua. The Caribbean side would be more sandy and marshy, but probably nothing like Panama.

I do recall reading perhaps a year ago that DHS personnel at the US southern borders had detected a significant increase of Chinese immigrants. They were being flown from China to an airport in Nicaragua to travel north to the US. It is entirely possible that China is now looking at a Nicaragua canal. They are very ambitious in a world-wide view.

This is an interesting article about Chinese economic migrants getting to the US via Ecuador in pre-COVID days.

China | Trek North: Coming to America on Foot

A growing number of Chinese migrants in recent years have traveled thousands of miles to South America, where they begin a dangerous trek to the United States. Their journey begins in Ecuador and through Colombia, and then...

projects.voanews.com

 

[Herat]

I notice Trump and his henchmen and woman have not made much, if any, noise about searching for and removing illegal Chinese immigrants.

I wonder why?

 

[Kemug]

It’s wild that they apparently are able to use personal phones to communicate national security matters. Why are their personal external contacts able to be intermingled with internal government contacts who have security clearance?

Seems like a failure on multiple points. The chat member who added JG for starters, but at a higher level, the White House cybersecurity team who manage communication platforms.

jmo

Did you say "higher level"??!! I really don't think there is one!!

 

[Herat]

OMG. WIRED magazine is saying there are more Trump associates with open Venmo accounts, some with some "interesting" transactions ( like with eggplant emojis) Four of them are in the Houthi Signal Scandal chat.

"A number of top Trump administration officials—including four who were on a now-infamous Signal group chat—appear to have Venmo accounts that have been leaking data, including contacts and in some cases transactions, to the public. Experts say this is a potentially serious counterintelligence problem that could allow foreign intelligence services to gain insight into a target’s social network or even identify individuals who could be paid or coerced to act against them.

“The speed of the digital world has outpaced our ability to keep a handle on it,” she adds. “If you have all this information out there—how the heck are you going to put the toothpaste back in the tube?”

“What’s the risk of someone at the Cabinet level using Venmo to pay their personal trainer? On the surface, it doesn’t look like much,” Yeagley says. “But now I know who that trainer is—or the gardener, or whoever—and suddenly I’ve expanded my ability to target by identifying the people around that official.”

Yeagley adds that “our adversaries are sophisticated and carnivorous in their data collection,” which means that “just the smallest bit of daylight is of interest to someone sophisticated. They will use that data point. They will build from it.”

 

[Trooper]

Did you say "higher level"??!! I really don't think there is one!!

I don't think they have actually dispensed with actively inhabiting the 'lowest level'.. I think there is room to sink further down.....

 

[Herat]

Did you say "higher level"??!! I really don't think there is one!!

Precisely. The National Security Advisor, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence.

The level of responsibility doesn't go any higher. Other than maybe Elon Musk.

 

[Lyanna]

I read that to mean that oil is on the table. Although the Alberta premier has said that she's in charge and she says no, the decisions falls on the federal government, not provincial governments. I think oil should be on the table, and I think that Canada should hit back hard - hard enough that this notion that Canada will happily die by 1000 USA gov't cuts is erased.

Water also needs to be on the table.

Canada's energy supply to the USA needs to be stopped, or highly tariffed. Furthermore, all USA natural resource exploration and mining in Canada needs to stop and those companies need to be expelled from the country as a "security risk" ... same excuse as the USA gov't claims about fentanyl.

The USA gov't said 10% tariff on Canada energy. Ontario said 25% surplus on energy. USA gov't said 50% tariff on automotive industry. Carney should keep going. 100% on energy. 100% on oil. Keep going until the people of the USA say stop loud enough for the gov't to hear.

I doubt it will happen, but sitting back waiting for more doesn't seem like a good idea.

I hope they do keep increasing their tariffs in response to Donald. Enough is enough.

Moo

 

[Trooper]

It is 5.35 am in Nuuk , Greenland, Friday morning... the day is almost beginning for the sturdy folks of Nuuk , a hearty breakfast of porridge, and rhubarb jam and toast, some fine cheese and fresh rye bread, and then it's time to man the barricades and hoist up the placards and pull on the good boots to stand one's ground..... just another Friday in Greenland!!

 

[Trooper]

Flight bookings between Canada and US down 70% amid Trump tariff war

Airline capacity between two countries reduced through October 2025 as high-profile incidents of Ice arrests on rise

www.theguardian.com

( this is one colossal drop in the market, seventy percent!! that's bankrupt country ) ​

Flight bookings between Canada and US down 70% amid Trump tariff war​

Airline travel between Canada and the US is “collapsing” amid Donald Trump’s tariff war, with flight bookings between the two countries down by over 70%, newly released data suggests.

According to data from the aviation analytics company OAG, airline capacity between Canada and the US has been reduced through October 2025, with the biggest cuts occurring between the months of July and August, which is considered peak travel season. Passenger bookings on Canada to US routes are currently down by over 70% compared to the same period last year.


Comparing the available bookings from March 2024 to March 2025, OAG looked at how many people have booked trans-border flights in the six-month period between April through September. It found that the number of tickets booked was down anywhere from 71% to 76%.

 

[Trooper]

Flight bookings between Canada and US down 70% amid Trump tariff war

Airline capacity between two countries reduced through October 2025 as high-profile incidents of Ice arrests on rise

www.theguardian.com

Total capacity available for passengers on flights between the two countries has also seen a reduction, likely a response to decreasing demands. The data shows that more than 320,000 seats have been removed by airlines operating between the two countries through to the end of October, with the highest cuts, 3.5%, also occurring during the peak summer months.

But the steep decline suggests that the current capacity cuts do not even begin to cover the current disinterest in traveling to the US.

( Tariff wars , ey?? the collateral damage is immeasurable )