Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[Betty P]

Congress declares war & Presidents don't.

Congress already has the authority to restrain military operations by Presidents, assuming they care to exercise it. If they don't/won't exercise their powers, unnecessary legislation won't help.

War Powers Resoloution
Salient point within underlined by me:



So:

Q1) How far can the US military drive from Joint Base Lewis-McChord (Washingston State) or Fort Drum (Northern NY) in 48 hours before he needs to head to Congress?? A: Far enough

Q2) How much can they 'get done' in that 60 day window? 90 days if their withdrawal is active? A: A lot

Q3) Lastly, would Congress then authorize or deny him the funds to continue? A: The only unknown factor

So, I really don't expect to see this bill go anywhere (IMO), but if it did get out of committee and go to vote, it would certainly force each congressmen and women to take a position and to show if they're willing to stand for anything.

At this point, there's no point in debating whether such a war would be considered (legal terms) a 'just war' (jus ad bellum) because it's pretty obvious to most people even those blind and deaf that Canada poses no "threat" to the United States or it's sovereignty.

Most people is the key to the above. Some people don't act like most people. Putin's a good example of that!

IMO.

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I haven't researched this lately, but IIRC the Patriot Act (and subsequent renewals of it) gave POTUS more unilateral power to engage in hostilities.

It's unfathomable to me and most Americans that Trump is treating our allies so badly. There has to be some way to stop him.

 

[otto]

I'm wondering why Carney is saying 'Americans' instead of 'Trump' or 'Trump government'

I think it must be to pump up the Canadian Patriotism mood.

Maybe to needle Americans to protest?

I think most Canadians understand it's Trump, not Americans.

Trump is the first president to single out Prime Minister Trudeau, rather than Canadians, to bully on a regular basis since 2015.

Trump says that he likes Canadians, but he doesn't like Trudeau, and it's too bad that Canadians have to suffer for their bad decision to elect Trudeau.

Carney is returning to how it was before Trump. If the USA did something to harm Canadians, it was the country and government that inflicted harm, not the individual. I think that's a healthier viewpoint.

 

[LoveyG]

U.S. Congress bill aims to prevent funding of invasion of Canada, Panama or Greenland​

A new bill introduced to the United States House of Representatives would withhold federal funding for any American “operations to invade or seize territory from” Canada, Panama or Greenland -- unless Congress agrees to it first, that is.

Introduced Thursday by Rhode Island Rep. Seth Magaziner, the No Invading Allies Act would require U.S. President Donald Trump to seek a formal declaration of war, congressional approval or proof of a “national emergency created by attack or imminent threat of attack” to authorize offensive military action against the places mentioned above.

[...]

That's a nice idea but Trump has no problem circumventing Congress for his own desires. The idea that Congress is a co-equal arm of government has been proven to be false in recent weeks.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't know what part of the world you're in, but am I wrong to think "Indian" is more a US term than a Canadian one? I lived very close to (and occasionally visited) a rez for years and almost everyone I interacted with called themselves "Native" or wore "Native Pride" hats. I have never come across an Indigenous person here in Canada who used the term "Indian". Though I imagine it may have been used before my time.

I'm in the US so I can't speak to what indigenous people in Canada call themselves.

 

[otto]

I'm not only not convinced, I think Poilievre will forever remain in Canadian's minds as the man who told them they were broken when they needed someone telling them they would never break, would never be broken.. I do not think the current climate of Trump is going to assist Poilievre in any way shape or form. It is a severe handicap , the kind of handicap that drags a man backwards..

Britain's opposition, Kemi Badenoch, Priti Patel, the usual crew are also in exactly the same situation, they attached themselves to Trump's nonsensical ideology and they cannot extract themselves from the stench of it. It sunk Boris Johnson, and it sunk Rishi Sunak. And it will sink Ms Badenoch.

No one with any sense is going to debate Donald, it's like playing chess with a pigeon.

Poilievre was probably the right choice for the Conservative Party when Biden was president. He can win arguments. Canadians have to re-think their political choices today. There is a war, and we need to choose the best man to push back regardless of political parties.

Yes, telling Canadians that we are broken is not a good strategy. It makes us feel helpless, like we have to prepare for the worst - which is not a good place to be.

Carney said during his first address yesterday that Canada is not broken. That's important for Canadians to hear.

Jean Chretien gave a great speech, and mentioned a few times that he stood up to the USA trying to bully Canada. This is not the first time the USA has taken a run at Canada, so Canada has to do what it has done since 1776 - stand tall and push back.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

Poilievre was probably the right choice for the Conservative Party when Biden was president. He can win arguments. Canadians have to re-think their political choices today. There is a war, and we need to choose the best man to push back regardless of political parties.

Yes, telling Canadians that we are broken is not a good strategy. It makes us feel helpless, like we have to prepare for the worst - which is not a good place to be.

Carney said during his first address yesterday that Canada is not broken. That's important for Canadians to hear.

Jean Chretien gave a great speech, and mentioned a few times that he stood up to the USA trying to bully Canada. This is not the first time the USA has taken a run at Canada, so Canada has to do what it has done since 1776 - stand tall and push back.

Telling people their country is "broken" is one of the grossest, most unpatriotic things a leader could possibly do. I can't stand it when I hear politicians say that. It's telling people they have a problem and only you can provide the solution.

It made me happy to hear Carney say that. Just because things aren't going your way and you don't like who won an election, or their policies - all of which were determined democratically - doesn't mean the country is "broken". It means the majority of voters simply feel differently than you do.

 

[otto]

But wouldn't the Greenlanders then be nasty criminal migrants?

Of course they would. The USA has made it clear that they are inviting Greenlanders to go to the USA, where they claim the small population of 56,000 people would have a great life in the USA. They want Greenland's natural resources, and their strategic position for Arctic shipping channels.

Canada, Nunavut (territory of Canada), Denmark and Greenland have full control of their Arctic waters and the USA is angry that they have no authority in the region - so the USA wants to steal it.

"In June 2022, following 5 years of intensive negotiations, the Canadian, Nunavut, Danish and Greenlandic governments agreed on a modernized single maritime boundary, from the Lincoln Sea in the north to the Labrador Sea in the south—a distance of over 3,000 kilometres—which established the longest bilateral maritime boundary in the world. The agreement also resolved the overlap in our respective continental shelves in the Labrador Sea.
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The waters of Canada’s Arctic archipelago, including the various channels comprising the Northwest Passage, are internal waters of Canada by virtue of historic title and in accordance with international law. Canada’s Arctic sovereignty encompasses land, sea and ice. It extends without interruption to the seaward-facing coasts of the Arctic islands and beyond. These islands are joined, not divided, by the waters between them and are bridged for a large part of the year by ice."

2024

Canada’s Arctic Foreign Policy

www.international.gc.ca

 

[NuttMegg]

WashingtonCNN —
President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

Fact check: What Trump doesn’t mention about Canada’s dairy tariffs | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

amp.cnn.com

 

[otto]

Commonwealth Day 2025 will be celebrated across the Commonwealth on Monday 10 March.

Catherine, Princess of Wales, wears red - hopefully a nod towards Canada.

Commonwealth’s ‘powerful influence for good in the world’ celebrated at service

The King attended the annual Commonwealth Day event at Westminster Abbey with the Queen, Prince and Princess of Wales and the Princess Royal

www.standard.co.uk

 

[otto]

WashingtonCNN —
President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

Fact check: What Trump doesn’t mention about Canada’s dairy tariffs | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

amp.cnn.com

USA media is usually propaganda that omits fact checking. If one media outlet can return to responsible journalism, the country will benefit.

 

[NuttMegg]

USA media is usually propaganda that omits fact checking. If one media outlet can return to responsible journalism, the country will benefit.

The author is Daniel Dale, the CNN political fact checker. But he is swamped these days.

 

[otto]

The author is Daniel Dale, the CNN political fact checker. But he is swamped these days.

That's rather sad. One would hope, and more or less expect, that everyone who publishes an article has done fact-checking.

 

[LovesPeace2]

South Korea wants to sell submarines to Canada as relations sour with U.S.

South Korea sent a delegation to Canada to pitch itself as a reliable procurement partner for the Department of National Defence.

ottawacitizen.com

South Korea is pitching Canada on a host of new military equipment deals, pointing out that the Asian nation can not only deliver defence systems quickly but that it is a trustworthy ally.

The push comes as recent actions by U.S. President Donald Trump, which include cutting Ukraine off of military supplies and threatening to annex Canada, have American allies around the world reconsidering their security arrangements.

 

[otto]

South Korea wants to sell submarines to Canada as relations sour with U.S.

South Korea sent a delegation to Canada to pitch itself as a reliable procurement partner for the Department of National Defence.

ottawacitizen.com

South Korea is pitching Canada on a host of new military equipment deals, pointing out that the Asian nation can not only deliver defence systems quickly but that it is a trustworthy ally.

The push comes as recent actions by U.S. President Donald Trump, which include cutting Ukraine off of military supplies and threatening to annex Canada, have American allies around the world reconsidering their security arrangements.

That's excellent news. Canada can purchase military equipment from various allies, with a new condition that digital control is solely owned by Canada. Everything purchased from the USA has become garbage overnight.

 

[JDG]

Keep your stick on the ice!

 

[Snoopster]

The author is Daniel Dale, the CNN political fact checker. But he is swamped these days.

And Daniel Dale is Canadian. He did such a great job fact checking Trump, from north of the border, in his first term that CNN hired him. He had "less work" during the Biden years, but clearly he's needed back on full duty!

 

[Fabled Automatic]

WashingtonCNN —
President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

Those high tariffs kick in only after the US has hit a certain Trump-negotiated quantity of tariff-free dairy sales to Canada each year – and as the US dairy industry acknowledges, the US is not hitting its allowed zero-tariff maximum in any category of dairy product.

Fact check: What Trump doesn’t mention about Canada’s dairy tariffs | CNN Politics

President Donald Trump correctly noted Friday, as he has before, that Canada has tariffs above 200% on dairy products imported from the US. But Trump again failed to mention a critical fact.

amp.cnn.com

It was mind-bogglingly stupid to watch him say what "a bad deal" the US has... when it was him who signed the deal.

 

[otto]

Don't believe anything this woman says. She is currently under investigation by the RCMP for dismantling health care services and trying to put public money in the hands of private health care companies. Furthermore, she hired that same company to import millions of dollars of Turkish children's tylenol. Only a portion of the tylenol was delivered, and it was deemed unsafe by doctors - therefore it is not used. She is now looking to unload that unsafe tylenol in Ukraine.

Alberta Premier Daniel Smith is against the Liberal Party due to Trudeau decisions, so she is criticizing the newly elected Liberal leader before he is sworn in as Prime Minister.

Carney said yesterday that he supports a dual approach to Canada's environment strategy: both oil and soft energy such as wind, hydro, etc. Smith doesn't want what's best for Canada, she wants money through oil, money through control of Albertan's pension contributions, money through private health care friends, money through dumping unsafe drugs in Ukraine.

"Despite Carney's background as a central banker, Smith said she doesn't think the new Liberal leader will change the federal government's approach to the oilpatch. Smith and her cabinet colleagues regularly criticise the federal Liberals for their policies toward the sector, including the proposed oil and gas emissions cap.

"Mark Carney is responsible for net zero banking. He's been on a warpath against the energy industry for his entire career," Smith said at CERAWeek, an international energy conference in Houston.
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As part of his platform in the recent leadership campaign, Carney vowed to expand and modernize "our energy infrastructure so that we are less dependent both on foreign suppliers and the United States as our main customer."​

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-ceraweek-smith-carney-1.7479291

 

[otto]

$400k per days adds up to $146 million per year. Ontario Premier Doug Ford is also prepared to take USA states off the electricity grid if the USA escalates the war.

What a mess the USA is creating for itself; an act of self-mutilation.

"Surcharge will generate up to $400K per day to be used for worker, business supports: province
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He added the magnitude of the levy could be increased if the Trump administration continues to escalate its trade war against Canada.

"Until these tariffs are off the table, until these tariffs are gone for good, Ontario will not relent. We will not back down," Ford said alongside Ontario Energy Minister Stephen Lecce."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-electricity-tariffs-ford-trump-1.7479180

 

[musicaljoke]

I think Ontario's electricity tariff starts tomorrow (Monday).


The leader said new tariffs are scheduled to be implemented Monday in an effort to push back on Trump’s international economic measures.

... 25 percent tariff on electricity coming from Ontario to Michigan, New York and Minnesota ....

Ontario will tariff electricity going to 3 US states on Monday, premier says

Ontario Premier Doug Ford said three states would face tariffs on electricity after a week of President Trump’s swipes at Canada with fluctuating trade policies. “I love Americans. It’s been 20 years of my life. But in saying that, no, we’re going to put a 25 percent tariff on electricity coming...

www.yahoo.com

I wish he wouldn't do that to states that didn't even vote for Trump. It just seems vindictive, rather than strategic.