NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[nightowl1975]

It’s interesting how at first we mostly heard how super friendly, communicative, and open he was. How carefree he was.

Now it feels like very suddenly we’re reading now how he was depressed.
How he struggled with pain medication and
estranged from his family for a year.

It’s curious.

IMO, he was a completely different person prior to the back surgery. After that, for whatever reasons, he is not the same. Major back surgeries can truly be catastrophic in that debilitating pain lingers and cannot be adequately addressed or treated.

 

[nightowl1975]

I think we know her angle based on this:

AGNIFILO: Look, if I was the prosecutor in this case, I'd be very concerned about what they call jury nullification. Because, look, in a criminal case in New York, you have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 jurors and their verdict has to be unanimous. That's a very high burden and it's very hard to get 12 people to agree beyond a reasonable doubt on anything, right?

I’ll be shocked if a jury of 12 convicts him.

 

[ttjo]

It’s interesting how, at first, we mostly heard how super friendly, communicative, and open he was. How carefree he was.

Now it feels like, very suddenly, we’re reading how he was depressed.
How he struggled with pain medication and
was estranged from his family for a year.

It’s curious.

It is curious, but it makes sense. He was all those things, friendly and communicative until he ghosted everyone. There are other signs that to me, indicate possible medication misuse. I'm going to wait and see what comes out.

 

[slowpoke]

IMO, he was a completely different person prior to the back surgery. After that, for whatever reasons, he is not the same. Major back surgeries can truly be catastrophic in that debilitating pain lingers and cannot be adequately addressed or treated.

Yes, but what I meant was, is it that people weren’t willing to say these things about him in early reports?

Or, was it the ‘right’ people weren’t being interviewed who had these insights?

Or is it me who wasn’t catching this info earlier about his depression and struggle with painkillers?

Just my thoughts.

 

[otto]

I’ll be shocked if a jury of 12 convicts him.

How so? He's charged with murder. It sounds like there is ample evidence that Mangione murdered Brian Thompson. What would be a reasonable defence?

 

[ttjo]

Yes, but what I meant was, is it that people weren’t willing to say these things about him in early reports?

They may have suspected but maybe didn't know for sure. And while he's being dubbed as someone who sacrificed himself for the people, who's gonna step fwd? Look at how they were going to boycott McDonald's or how the people who played a part in his capture probably needed security.

Or, was it the ‘right’ people weren’t being interviewed who had these insights?

Maybe now they have the right people, they got him fast after being tipped. If anyone may know, it may be the family. Why was he estranged from his family? It's hard to know who would have even known if he was ghosting everyone, maybe it became too hard to hide it. More info will come out.

Or is it me who wasn’t catching this info earlier about his depression and struggle with painkillers?

No, it wasn't you who missed it. It can be hard to see unless you know it, either from experience or work, and those people recognize the behaviours that might be tell's. I'm trying to say it is nice. You just don't trust the stories. i.e., the surfing on Waikiki, it's possible that he could have aggravated a pre-existing injury and then needed a week of bed rest; it's also possible it was just an excuse for being dopesick.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Betty P]

So the PI didn't recognize LM in the photos all over msm? moo

‘Worried’ Family of Luigi Mangione Hired Private Eye After He Cut Them Off

Concerned loved ones of Luigi Mangione hired a private investigator after he cut off most of his family sometime in 2023, a friend has claimed. The pal of the UnitedHealthcare CEO’s alleged murderer said Mangione still couldn’t be tracked down by the investigator, the Daily Mail reported...

news.yahoo.com

12/13/2024

To be fair, most of the early photos didn’t show much of his face.

 

[sds71]

• His 40-year career includes prosecuting the Etan Patz murder and Brooke Astor swindle cases.
• Colleagues say he's tenacious and detail-obsessed, with an expertise in fighting psych defenses.

Luigi Mangione's NY prosecutor is Joel Seidemann, a Manhattan DA veteran described as a 'firecracker' in court

The 26-year-old accused in the Manhattan ambush murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO will face a 40-year prosecutor one colleague calls a "firecracker."

www.businessinsider.com

 

[JennieM]

Possibly not even his family would want to see him released. He is not safe to be around others or himself. Prison is the safest place for him to be.

 

[NuttMegg]

I’m taking this with a grain of sale for now. MOO

"We wish him the best"
Lol
Sounds kinda like "Bless his heart"

 

[JennieM]

Suspect in UnitedHealth executive murder was not a customer of the insurer​

• Mangione and his mother were not UnitedHealthcare customers

UnitedHealth does not have prior records for either Mangione or his mother, the spokesperson said.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/unitedhealth-group-ceo-andrew-witty-says-healthcare-system-is-flawed-2024-12-13/

 

[NuttMegg]

Given how intelligent and successful LM was, I wonder if his ego would allow him to use mental health or addiction as his defense. Seems like it would be a conflict against his grandiose ideas of why he targeted BT. IIRC the "manifesto" which is being circulated states that he didn't have any of these issues.

Anyone have an idea of how much his defense lawyer will charge for a case like this?

They'd probably pay HIM for the opportunity.

 

[NuttMegg]

It’s interesting how at first we mostly heard how super friendly, communicative, and open he was. How carefree he was.

Now it feels like very suddenly we’re reading now how he was depressed.
How he struggled with pain medication and
estranged from his family for a year.

It’s curious.

The difference is very obvious in his face. No wonder the mother had doubts. He now looks like someone in prison for years, that dead, I don't give a s**hit ĺook, Scott Peterson had it before someone goosed him with the new get out of jail scheme.
In just a year or so. His whole face has fallen. Looks 36 easily, nothing like his actual age.

 

[Betty P]

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[Friday Fan]

Yes, but what I meant was, is it that people weren’t willing to say these things about him in early reports?

Or, was it the ‘right’ people weren’t being interviewed who had these insights?

Or is it me who wasn’t catching this info earlier about his depression and struggle with painkillers?

Just my thoughts.

Media will grab anyone who will speak to them!
Family is not speaking.

Sleuthers and LE are scrubbing his SM etc. A picture emerges of someone who has had some significant health problems. And may have broken communication with those closest to him.

 

[Miss Poovy]

IMO - even if LM was not estranged from his family, it is hard for a family to convince an adult to seek mental health services. The family could not force him to seek treatment if mental health is a problem.

I, personally, think his back surgery was not up to modern standards as far as flexibility, if the photo is his spine.

Sometimes an attorney is hired to mitigate any sentence, not necessarily to get the “accused” off.
I believe in the jury system. I also believe there’s a lot of chatter regarding this case, but at the end of the day, I believe the justice system will work.

 

[waldojabba]

Addiction is a terrible thing, and abusing pain medications is not good for anyone's mental state, but I'm not sure I see how it can be a cause for a murder which entailed so much advanced planning. This was not a crime of passion, heat of the moment.

I'm sure his defense attorney will try to find a way to use that, but he had to be functioning at quite a high level to do all the stuff he did - making sure he had plenty of cash, wearing a mask everywhere, procuring a bike, figuring out when BT would be walking down the street, disappearing afterwards, wearing hoodies to cover his hair, and on and on.

Addicts typically commit crimes involving theft because they need money to buy drugs. This guy had thousands of dollars on him, so that motive is out. Plus he wrote his "manifesto" about his motives, which are ideological in nature.

“Addicts typically commit crimes involving theft because they need money to buy drugs. This guy had thousands of dollars on him, so that motive is out. Plus he wrote his "manifesto" about his motives, which are ideological in nature.”
This is not a forum on addiction so I’ll keep it simple. Drugs /alcohol - their repeated use alter the brain chemistry in many different ways for many people. It is a complex issue and comes in many shapes and sizes and leads to many behavioral/ personality changes. It leads to altered judgements and behavior and can open the door to many different mental health issues.
It is not an excuse for behavior of any sort. There is no excuse for murder. This guy is culpable as hell for all his actions. And he will def be held accountable imo.
To understand what he was doing begins to shine a light for me on how he got to where he is.
From what I understand, so far, he went from being a bright pretty normal acting kid to committing a monstrous act. So imo the drug abuse is very possibly a pretty big contributing factor to why he went so far off the “rails”.
Just my opinion.

 

[krikken]

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www.wisn.com

Poor Mr. Dickey. But I guess he got his 15 minutes.

 

[Miss Poovy]

“Addicts typically commit crimes involving theft because they need money to buy drugs. This guy had thousands of dollars on him, so that motive is out. Plus he wrote his "manifesto" about his motives, which are ideological in nature.”
This is not a forum on addiction so I’ll keep it simple. Drugs /alcohol - their repeated use alter the brain chemistry in many different ways for many people. It is a complex issue and comes in many shapes and sizes and leads to many behavioral/ personality changes. It leads to altered judgements and behavior and can open the door to many different mental health issues.
It is not an excuse for behavior of any sort. There is no excuse for murder. This guy is culpable as hell for all his actions. And he will def be held accountable imo.
To understand what he was doing begins to shine a light for me on how he got to where he is.
From what I understand, so far, he went from being a bright pretty normal acting kid to committing a monstrous act. So imo the drug abuse is very possibly a pretty big contributing factor to why he went so far off the “rails”.
Just my opinion.

This comment is the heart of the interest in this case: “To understand what he was doing begins to shine a light for me on how he got to where he is.”

 

[Baby baby Jane]

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect fled New York via train, not by bus as originally thought: reports

Investigators first thought Mangione had taken a bus out of the city because he was seen on surveillance video at the George Washington Bridge bus station.

nypost.com

Interesting to learn that LM travelled by Train from Penn Station and not bus. A clever manouver - we was not seen exiting because got to subway station thru a tunnel. Took A train, 8th Ave express - 6 stops til Penn Station. Very quick.
Understand now why he was surprised to be caught at Altoona.

“A pedestrian tunnel, maintained by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, links the bus terminal to the subway station.”