NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[slowpoke]

“Alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer Luigi Mangione was estranged from his family for over a year, causing them to hire a private investigator to locate him, sources told DailyMail.com.”

“The friend said they had been told that Mangione had struggled with pain medication due to an injury.”

Luigi Mangione 'mysteriously cut off family and went missing': Source

Alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer Luigi Mangione was estranged from his family for over a year, causing them to hire a private investigator to locate him, friends told DailyMail.com.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[fred&edna]

How does an unemployed LM able to pay a lawyer of that stature???? And without family support??

Did he or his family state that they didn't/wouldn't support him? (I haven't seen that stated but it's very possible I missed it).

 

[Surfbrah]

His new NY attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo was on CNN a few days ago prior to her being retained by LM. She was talking about a possible psychiatric defense. I couldn’t find the video, but found the transcript.

CNN.com - Transcripts

I think we know her angle based on this:

AGNIFILO: Look, if I was the prosecutor in this case, I'd be very concerned about what they call jury nullification. Because, look, in a criminal case in New York, you have to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt to 12 jurors and their verdict has to be unanimous. That's a very high burden and it's very hard to get 12 people to agree beyond a reasonable doubt on anything, right?

 

[fred&edna]

His new NY attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo was on CNN a few days ago prior to her being retained by LM. She was talking about a possible psychiatric defense. I couldn’t find the video, but found the transcript.

CNN.com - Transcripts

Good find!

 

[acutename]

Prison is meant to be uncomfortable, what were they expecting? soft pillows and lobster thermidore? can’t do the time? don’t do the crime

since LM mostly eats home fries, he may not suffer so much from the prison food IMO

 

[Tiff23fr]

The FBI spoke to Luigi Mangione’s mother the night before her son’s high-profile arrest and told the feds he bore a resemblance to the suspect wanted for killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, according to law enforcement sources.

Members of the Joint Violent Crimes Task Force questioned Kathleen Mangione late Sunday night after receiving a tip from San Francisco police – four days prior – about a missing person’s report the family had filed with the department in November, the sources said.

Luigi Mangione’s mother spoke with the FBI the night before accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer was arrested: sources

Police tipped off the feds after they recognized the 26-year-old’s face in surveillance images put out by the NYPD after Thompson, 50, was gunned down last week – but his mother wasn’t quite sure t…

nypost.com

 

[Teche]

I dunno -- if the evidence authorities have for murder proves true, LM must know his days of freedom are over. I don't think I'd be in any hurry to leave PA State Correctional in Huntingdon (depicted below) for Rikers Island! I think I'd be on the extended stay --but that's just me.
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Prosecutors in NYC presenting evidence in the CEO murder case to a grand jury: sources

An indictment could strengthen the case for extradition, which 26-year-old Luigi Mangione is fighting.

abc7ny.com

That mattress looks so cushy for one’s back issues. Luckily the government can provide no-cost healthcare.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The FBI spoke to Luigi Mangione’s mother the night before her son’s high-profile arrest and told the feds he bore a resemblance to the suspect wanted for killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, according to law enforcement sources.

Members of the Joint Violent Crimes Task Force questioned Kathleen Mangione late Sunday night after receiving a tip from San Francisco police – four days prior – about a missing person’s report the family had filed with the department in November, the sources said.

Luigi Mangione’s mother spoke with the FBI the night before accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer was arrested: sources

Police tipped off the feds after they recognized the 26-year-old’s face in surveillance images put out by the NYPD after Thompson, 50, was gunned down last week – but his mother wasn’t quite sure t…

nypost.com

Wow. Good find. Glad FBI took the SF LE tip seriously and that they followed up the tip with LM's mother, talking with her the night before LM's arrest.

As per the above NY post linked article, "his mother wasn’t completely confident that was actually her son in the images."

 

[10ofRods]

I'll say it again - the McDonald's caller saved investigators countless hours of work sorting through tips and camera footage to determine where LM went from the Port Authority bus station near the George Washington bridge. Until today, they assumed that he'd taken a bus, but they just discovered today that he'd taken a train. If it were not for that McDonald's employee, they might very well still be searching for LM. I hope that employee is being protected. She is indeed the hero in this story. MOO

I believe it was a customer who approached the McDonald's employee and pointed him out. The employee then agreed that the "elderly customer" had a bead on the suspect and called it in.

IMO. I do have a link.

Luigi Mangione: McDonalds customer recounts moment CEO shooting suspect spotted

A customer at the fast-food outlet thought his friends were kidding when they pointed out the likeness between a patron and the shooting suspect.

www.bbc.com

 

[Auntie Cipation]

And "social engineering" doesn't mean capturing restricted information (finding out where BT is or is going) as much it means influencing the behavior of people by conning them, in this case, getting BT to do something or go somewhere.

I can't help but also think about the interpretation of 'social engineering' that could mean performing an action (an assassination qualifies) with the intent that it triggers a social movement or cultural uprising, such as what may actually be happening.

I mean, obviously that version of social engineering wasn't what he meant when he included it in his list of things "it took" to accomplish his goal -- that is circular logic -- but I do think that might have crossed his mind as something he would like to see happen as a result of his action. MOO

 

[Kapua]

I believe it was a customer who approached the McDonald's employee and pointed him out. The employee then agreed that the "elderly customer" had a bead on the suspect and called it in.

IMO. I do have a link.

Luigi Mangione: McDonalds customer recounts moment CEO shooting suspect spotted

A customer at the fast-food outlet thought his friends were kidding when they pointed out the likeness between a patron and the shooting suspect.

www.bbc.com

OK, I will revise to say that if it were not for the people who spotted him at McDonalds and the person, presumably an employee, who called local PD, NYPD and the FBI might still be scrambling to ID LM and determine his whereabouts. And they might very well be looking for him today. That was my point.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Assuming that information is true... that must have been very intense for his family to be questioned by the FBI about him looking like the pictures of the shooter, only to find their son is arrested the next day for that crime. Their heads must have been spinning. No normal person ever thinks their own child would be capable of such a brazen act.

 

[waldojabba]

“Alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer Luigi Mangione was estranged from his family for over a year, causing them to hire a private investigator to locate him, sources told DailyMail.com.”

“The friend said they had been told that Mangione had struggled with pain medication due to an injury.”

Luigi Mangione 'mysteriously cut off family and went missing': Source

Alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer Luigi Mangione was estranged from his family for over a year, causing them to hire a private investigator to locate him, friends told DailyMail.com.

www.dailymail.co.uk

IMO If true, this is a key piece to the puzzle I have been anticipating - the" painkiller thing"/ aka imo the addiction.
From the article:

"The friend said they had been told that Mangione had struggled with pain medication due to an injury.

'There was some sort of accident. I knew he was hurt some time ago and that led to the painkiller thing, and then the whole family issue,' he said."

Anyone who has had a child/young adult addicted to anything knows the desperation the family feels. Parents and loved ones in this "world" have tried everything, thrown cash at it etc and begged and pleaded and then experienced the long gaps of time when their loved one just stops communication.

IME you just feel them being pulled further and further away from you - like they are out to sea about to drown and there you stand on the shore and cannot seem to do one damn thing to make a difference. The programs and" experts" will tell you to let go, that you didn't cause it, you cannot cure it and you don't control it etc etc.
Your biggest fear is losing them permanently. That they will OD. Death.
The next biggest fear, if they don't die and they somehow are found - is who will they be - what shape will they be in physically and emotionally when you get them back. How much damage will there be to their brain etc.
It's an ugly ride with not so many happy outcomes.
Hence the PI, hence the mothers desperation to find her son.
In this case they found their son but now they need to face who he has become. The unthinkable. A murderer.
As ugly as this whole thing is -the family loves their son/brother and will support him IMO
I am seeing a plea
Tragic is not a strong enough word - for all concerned and as always there is just so much collateral damage
Just imo

 

[acutename]

I can't help but also think about the interpretation of 'social engineering' that could mean performing an action (an assassination qualifies) with the intent that it triggers a social movement or cultural uprising, such as what may actually be happening.

I mean, obviously that version of social engineering wasn't what he meant when he included it in his list of things "it took" to accomplish his goal -- that is circular logic -- but I do think that might have crossed his mind as something he would like to see happen as a result of his action. MOO

It is a computer fraud term:
Social engineering is the tactic of manipulating, influencing, or deceiving a victim in order to gain control over a computer system, or to steal personal and financial information. It uses psychological manipulation to trick users into making security mistakes or giving away sensitive information.

Social Engineering - Information Security Office​

I believe that he found a way to phone or email and get information on where the CEO was staying and his schedule IMO

 

[Auntie Cipation]

It is a computer fraud term:
Social engineering is the tactic of manipulating, influencing, or deceiving a victim in order to gain control over a computer system, or to steal personal and financial information. It uses psychological manipulation to trick users into making security mistakes or giving away sensitive information.
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Social Engineering - Information Security Office​

I believe that he found a way to phone or email and get information on where the CEO was staying and his schedule IMO

Yes, understood. And that's what I assume he meant by it in his list of "what it involved".

But the broader definition seems to also cover what I described. That's all I was observing.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Addiction is a terrible thing, and abusing pain medications is not good for anyone's mental state, but I'm not sure I see how it can be a cause for a murder which entailed so much advanced planning. This was not a crime of passion, heat of the moment.

I'm sure his defense attorney will try to find a way to use that, but he had to be functioning at quite a high level to do all the stuff he did - making sure he had plenty of cash, wearing a mask everywhere, procuring a bike, figuring out when BT would be walking down the street, disappearing afterwards, wearing hoodies to cover his hair, and on and on.

Addicts typically commit crimes involving theft because they need money to buy drugs. This guy had thousands of dollars on him, so that motive is out. Plus he wrote his "manifesto" about his motives, which are ideological in nature.

 

[JDG]

Very much a premeditated murder by a cold blooded murderer. MOO

As long as he’s locked in a cage for the rest of his life, I don’t care if it’s a prison for the criminally insane or a regular prison or Supermax, just lock him up. Then, throw away the key.

ETA. my sympathies are with the family of the victim, Brian Thompson and secondly, with the Mangione family.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Given how intelligent and successful LM was, I wonder if his ego would allow him to use mental health or addiction as his defense. Seems like it would be a conflict against his grandiose ideas of why he targeted BT. IIRC the "manifesto" which is being circulated states that he didn't have any of these issues.

Anyone have an idea of how much his defense lawyer will charge for a case like this?

 

[slowpoke]

It’s interesting how at first we mostly heard how super friendly, communicative, and open he was. How carefree he was.

Now it feels like very suddenly we’re reading now how he was depressed.
How he struggled with pain medication and
estranged from his family for a year.

It’s curious.

 

[Herat]

That mattress looks so cushy for one’s back issues. Luckily the government can provide no-cost healthcare.

State Prisons in many states contract with Medicaid for the healthcare of inmates. There are a lot of restrictions on getting diagnostic services, prescriptions, and treatments and the prison doctors spend a great deal of time trying to justify expenses.

Don't be too worried about prisoners getting easy access to care.