NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[citygirl]

Many of us thought he was a lone wolf, and then we heard that he has a big family and he was popular in grade school and college - life of the party, cracking that beer open on his head.

I think adulting is a rude awakening to many late teens/twenty-somethings regardless of whether you come from a working-class, middle-class or affluent background. It's a huge adjustment from school days. I am certain that losing his job was traumatic as well.

I think he had a mental break. I can't pretend to know what triggered it, or if he was somehow predisposed to it. There are many possibilities - bipolar disorder? early onset schizophrenia? But nobody in his life has come forward to say that they saw it coming. In fact, the opposite appears to be true. I wish his mom's PI could have found him before he committed this heinous crime.

All MOO

Cannot like this enough.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Basically, the San Fran police tip went to the FBI and was then forwarded to NYPD. Because the FBI didn’t say this tip had come from another LE agency, it was handled just like a standard tip, when it should have received priority.

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UnitedHealthcare CEO killing latest: Veteran former prosecutor to represent Luigi Mangione in New York

Luigi Mangione may waive extradition to New York City as early as Tuesday, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said on Friday.

abcnews.go.com

This post just reminds me of how quickly Atlanta is so far back in the rearview mirror...
And actually, I dont recall it was feeling so important it was early on... Atlanta was never really that absolute.... just that that bus originated there... i now, do wonder why it was so important....

 

[Tiff23fr]

Interesting reference:

This is how the narratives we create on social media often become far from the reality of the situation, especially complex and confounding ones like this. Yet the more people see something repeated, the more they believe it, whether or not it’s true. In psychology, this is known as the “illusory truth effect.” As a result, our society’s popular understanding of events can become significantly detached from and even at odds with the facts that eventually emerge.

The Internet Missed the Point on Luigi Mangione

Mythologizing Mangione will not get us any closer to the truth of what happened or what he seems to be after.

time.com

 

[fred&edna]

Any idea on how much money LM spent on the fake ID's... were they most likely counterfeit or stolen?

 

[mrstfs]

This post just reminds me of how quickly Atlanta is so far back in the rearview mirror...
And actually, I dont recall it was feeling so important it was early on... Atlanta was never really that absolute.... just that that bus originated there... i now, do wonder why it was so important....

I think it was important because it was one of few known data points at that time. They knew he arrived in NYC on a bus that originated from Atlanta.

 

[CityKid]

Interesting story about the mythos of the American outlaw turned anti-hero in the New Yorker. I'm a subscriber and I'm not sure if this is behind a paywall but it's worth a read, especially for those who are shocked at the support he's getting, to learn how this dates back to the Wild West.

Luigi Mangione and the Making of a Modern Antihero

The support for the alleged shooter is rooted in an American tradition of exalting the outlaw.

www.newyorker.com

 

[MassGuy]

Any idea on how much money LM spent on the fake ID's... were they most likely counterfeit or stolen?

They were counterfeit, or at least the one we’ve seen was. It would be a couple hundred bucks at most.

 

[Kapua]

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The NYPD previously said none of the hundreds of tips it received included Mangione's identity.

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UnitedHealthcare CEO killing latest: Veteran former prosecutor to represent Luigi Mangione in New York

Luigi Mangione may waive extradition to New York City as early as Tuesday, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg said on Friday.

abcnews.go.com

I must have missed a previous article because I don't recall the NYPD ever saying that "none of the hundreds of tips it received included Mangione's identity." Interesting. He must have a lot of lookalikes.

 

[JennieM]

What's the evidence against Luigi Mangione in the UnitedHealthCare CEO shooting, according to authorities?​

Here is a look at the evidence authorities say they have gathered so far against Mangione.

What's the evidence against Luigi Mangione in the UnitedHealthCare CEO shooting, according to authorities?

Police say the evidence against Luigi Mangione includes fingerprints and notebook entries linking him to the shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[rgreene]

I think in terms of yearly revenue they're something like #4.
$400+ billion taken in last year.

He kept his fake ID card, and gun, I think he wanted to get caught/become a cult hero

I don’t think he was working alone though,he was on the phone to someone minutes before BT got shot. Who? bit early to be phoning a friend for a casual chat, I think he had a lookout

He appeared to be talking to someone, but he could be pretending. When I am waiting for an Uber, I fake talk on the phone… weird I know, but it makes me feel less awkward for some reason. I am not in fear of my safety. Phone fakers: THESE are the situations we’re most likely to turn to our phones to avoid

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I am absolutely revolted by the people who are mocking, doxxing, and threatening the McDonald's worker who called 911.

That person did the right thing. LM is (allegedly) a murderer and needed to be taken off the streets for public safety. Since he apparently didn't discard the murder weapon, he may well have been planning to kill someone else.

LM is NO hero. The McDonald's caller is the hero.

The McDonald's caller is not the villain here. LM is the villain here.

I bet all those piling on (and worse) to the McDonald's worker might have quite a different view if it had been their friend or loved one gunned down.

It's beyond disgusting. That person did the right thing and now their life is being ruined.

 

[Angelcat13]

I apologize if this has already been discussed in this thread (I’ll admit I haven’t read every post in every section), but this has been on my mind since there has been some mention in MSM about LM having an interest in psychedelics.

Suspect in CEO killing is charged with murder. Records show he had California ties

A 26-year-old man has been charged with murder and multiple other counts in the New York shooting death of UnitedHealthcare's chief executive.

www.latimes.com

I wonder if he simply had an interest in psychedelics or if he actually experimented/used them - especially ayahuasca. I came across an article about ayahuasca a few years ago and did a little reading on it at the time and since. As with any drug/medication, there appear to be pros and cons. There is a long history of the use of ayahuasca in many cultures/civilizations. Some articles that I have read claim that it has shown promise in treating people with PTSD, substance abuse and chronic pain (bbm). However, other articles claim that there are serious side-effects. IMO, the "truth" probably lies somewhere in between and likely has a lot to do with who is administering it/supervising its use, the amount/quality of the "drug" and the medical/mental health, personality, etc of the person using it - along with many other factors that may as of yet be unknown.

Most of the articles that I have read emphatically state that ayahuasca should "only be taken when supervised by an experienced shaman". I wonder if LM may have experimented with ayahuasca (or another similar psychedelic) because of his chronic pain and, if so, did he do so under appropriate supervision or on his own? If he did experiment - especially if he did so without the proper preparation, administration, supervision and guidance of an appropriate and qualified shaman/person - I wonder if he may have had an adverse reaction that contributed to his mental changes/decline?

Ayahuasca: Use, Benefits, and Side Effects

Ayahuasca is a brew with powerful hallucinogenic properties claimed to open your mind and heal past trauma. This article reviews Ayahuasca, including its negative and positive effects on health.

www.healthline.com

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2949834124000436

 

[minneolo]

Love your post except for the sentence ''We can recognise that capitalism is the most effective economic system in history'' There isn't any need for a generalisation here; you can recognise it if you like (I am guessing you are seeing this from an American perspective) I won't as there are at least five alternatives to capitalism just as effective and one that is even more effective and fairer with people. Jmoo.

As for Mr Witty providing an insight into BT as a person, as a worker from his own experience as a colleague, and his humble beginnings, this is lovely and much needed to get a balanced press on this case.

Now what is really missing is for him to carry out an exercise of self-criticism so that he can explain why his company still denies one third of all claims as his words do not seem to match his business actions.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/vargasreports/health-insurance-delay-tactic-cigna-unitedhealthcare/#:~:text=Mathew said that UnitedHealthcare denies,insurance companies,” he said.

Always down for a nuanced discussion / debate. We’d have to start with definitions!

 

[CityKid]

I am absolutely revolted by the people who are mocking, doxxing, and threatening the McDonald's worker who called 911.

That person did the right thing. LM is (allegedly) a murderer and needed to be taken off the streets for public safety. Since he apparently didn't discard the murder weapon, he may well have been planning to kill someone else.

LM is NO hero. The McDonald's caller is the hero.

The McDonald's caller is not the villain here. LM is the villain here.

I bet all those piling on (and worse) to the McDonald's worker might have quite a different view if it had been their friend or loved one gunned down.

It's beyond disgusting. That person did the right thing and now their life is being ruined.

The McDonald's worker had what they thought (correctly) that they had a murderer in their store. They had no idea if he was armed and had other victims in mind, or if their life was in danger. They absolutely did the right thing and I'm sorry they're suffering for it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

The McDonald's worker had what they thought (correctly) that they had a murderer in their store. They had no idea if he was armed and had other victims in mind, or if their life was in danger. They absolutely did the right thing and I'm sorry they're suffering for it.

Exactly. People are messed up.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

Very coincidentally, I started to read Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" just around the time the BT murder occurred. The book was written in 1866 in Russia. There are several striking parallels between the protagonist-murderer in the novel and LM. The C&P murderer is a young brilliant man who is tall, dark and handsome and has dropped out of university and more or less society-at-large. He suffers from depression and hypochondria. He is also destitute, but that is because of his problems of not working or going to school. He murders a greedy pawnbroker, ostensibly for the money so he can help his family, but he has also justified the murder to himself because of his belief that some "exceptional" individuals can commit crimes if such acts result in a greater good. He has a savior complex. I'm only about one-third into the novel, but that's what I've noticed thus far. I keep thinking of LM while reading it. Btw, if you are interested in reading C&P, I recommend the version translated a few years ago by Michael Katz.

 

[tatertot]

I suspect that he knew or had planned to do something like what he did and figured it would be easier or less noticeable to 'go off grid' and 'be gone' for a period of time beforehand, rather than just disappearing the week of the event. Make Sense?

For example - if someone goes radio silent from their family, the first week is going to be persistent calls, emails, messages etc. etc. and then you pop-up a week or two later and everyone is after you "where have you been?" etc. etc. Instead, the way he did it - he was long disassociated - he was well into the "out of sight, out of mind" phase for most everyone other than his parents, likely.

This makes perfect sense. Slightly off-topic, but I've often suspected D.B. Cooper was never identified because he dropped out of sight long before he dropped out of...well, a perfectly good 727, and if he did survive, I'd imagine he took his good sweet time reintegrating into society afterward.

I am absolutely revolted by the people who are mocking, doxxing, and threatening the McDonald's worker who called 911.

That person did the right thing. LM is (allegedly) a murderer and needed to be taken off the streets for public safety. Since he apparently didn't discard the murder weapon, he may well have been planning to kill someone else.

LM is NO hero. The McDonald's caller is the hero.

The McDonald's caller is not the villain here. LM is the villain here.

I bet all those piling on (and worse) to the McDonald's worker might have quite a different view if it had been their friend or loved one gunned down.

It's beyond disgusting. That person did the right thing and now their life is being ruined.

Thank you so much for this! I too feel terrible for the senior citizen customer and McD's worker who teamed up to get an armed murderer off the streets. Here in nearby Pittsburgh the news articles about the arrest were met with the most inane Facebook comments and I'm baffled how some of my fellow Yinzers can side with LM. A fellow parent whose kids attend school with mine wrote up a long post about how this was justified. Sure, keep talking that way and then react with total disbelief when yet another kid brings a gun to school, as has happened recently in our county. Kids are listening and if the adults in their lives justify settling their differences with murder, that's setting a model for behavior deemed acceptable.

If LM had noticed the customer and McD's worker glancing his way, I'm not so sure he wouldn't have hesitated to use his weapon again to make an escape. So that makes their actions even braver! We don't know what his "endgame" was, but he appeared to be moving back toward his family in MD and he was still armed. I hate to speculate, but could he have been angry that he'd been reported missing, possibly making it more difficult to carry out his plans? I'm not sure that he was even aware he'd been reported missing, but he was making efforts to conceal his identity and he probably knew his family well enough to guess that if he dropped out of sight, they'd likely make efforts to find him -- and they had the money to hire a PI.

 

[acutename]

Any idea on how much money LM spent on the fake ID's... were they most likely counterfeit or stolen?

address does not really exist but the street does

United Healthcare CEO murder suspect causes stir in Maplewood with fake NJ ID

Luigi Mangione created major buzz in a New Jersey community when his fake ID showed an address of Sherman Place in Maplewood.

www.northjersey.com

(A bunch of people named M Rosario exist in NJ... not sleuthing them but it is a somewhat common name on Google)

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Very coincidentally, I started to read Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment" just around the time the BT murder occurred. The book was written in 1866 in Russia. There are several striking parallels between the protagonist-murderer in the novel and LM. The C&P murderer is a young brilliant man who is tall, dark and handsome and has dropped out of university and more or less society-at-large. He suffers from depression and hypochondria. He is also destitute, but that is because of his problems of not working or going to school. He murders a greedy pawnbroker, ostensibly for the money so he can help his family, but he has also justified the murder to himself because of his belief that some "exceptional" individuals can commit crimes if such acts result in a greater good. He has a savior complex. I'm only about one-third into the novel, but that's what I've noticed thus far. I keep thinking of LM while reading it. Btw, if you are interested in reading C&P, I recommend the version translated a few years ago by Michael Katz.

The psychologist on Hidden True Crime made that exact same comparison with Crime and Punishment!

As an English major, I'm so happy to see that literature still informs people's thought processes.

 

[BUF]

Per CNN
LM hires high powered NY attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo