NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Rumination1]

I would hesitate to label his found scribblings as a ‘manifesto’. IMO, it was not written during his cold, calculating ‘hunter’ phase, when he was very clear in his active, brilliant, troubled mind of intent.
Rather, it may have been desperately penned after pulling the trigger during his ‘hunted’ phase, when he was quickly and finally broken. We all know Luigi did not make the smoothest transition in this regard.
Maybe written while staring out the bus window in WestPA, destination unknown. Or, during his last night of freedom, after getting turned away from the cheapest two-star hotel in town, sweating out a freezing night in the rough, awaiting the doors of McD’s to open as he knew the walls were closing in.
It may be a manifesto does emerge, befitting his eloquence, as we only have what was carried on his person at arrest. If not, however, and this is IT, would be indicative of a lack of commitment to a larger cause IMO.

Hearing how some have reacted to the fact the healthcare system is so lucrative , almost to the extent that LM s actions are being justified it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he wasn’t mentally ill. He was just convinced it’s acceptable to murder a wealthy ceo. A vigilante if you will. I do not condone this attitude but it is rife on social media and my son was explaining some of the things his generation are saying …. “We understand where LM was coming from etc etc” and I am shocked

Shooting another is murder. Full stop.
To say It highlights and addresses a problem is absolute rubbish ….. there are other ways to achieve healthcare reform. He was on a bandwagon and who knows which of his peer group or circle discussed this DDD matter with him

 

[Big Ears]

Since leaving True Car, LM allegedly had back surgery, traveled the world, and went dark on his family and friends beginning around July 2024. His mother reported him missing to SFPD on Nov 18, and he allegedly murdered UHC CEO Brian Thompson on Dec 4 in Manhattan, NY.

He misses friends wedding in July, Mom files MIA Nov 18 (what took her so long), arrives NY Nov 24, murders CEO Dec 5, arrested Altoona PA, Dec 9.

 

[Sundog]

Dropping Additional data on his time in HI:

Raj George, a local nonprofit executive and president of the Penn Alumni Club of Hawaii, said Mangione impressed older alumni by joining them for a tour of the Shangri La Museum at the Doris Duke estate.

“We almost never get someone only two, three years out of Penn wanting to engage, and especially engage with a cultural event like a tour of Shangri La,” he said. “We do maybe more social events, happy hours, pau hana.”

Experiences in Hawaii may hold clues to suspected CEO killer’s anger

Most of the memories shared with Hawaii News Now have been positive, contrary to the angry personality he expressed as he fought with officers outside his extradition hearing in Pennsylvania on Tuesday.

www.hawaiinewsnow.com

That's interesting tht LM volunteered to take part in the activities of his alma mater's alumni chapter in Hawaii. On the other hand, this was an event where he could be viewed as special, again, since he was a recent grad of Penn and most of the other alums attending the social outing/cultural event had apparently graduated a long time ago.

 

[Chimera]

Hearing how some have reacted to the fact the healthcare system is so lucrative , almost to the extent that LM s actions are being justified it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he wasn’t mentally ill. He was just convinced it’s acceptable to murder a wealthy ceo. A vigilante if you will. I do not condone this attitude but it is rife on social media and my son was explaining some of the things his generation are saying …. “We understand where LM was coming from etc etc” and I am shocked

Shooting another is murder. Full stop.
To say It highlights and addresses a problem is absolute rubbish ….. there are other ways to achieve healthcare reform. He was on a bandwagon and who knows which of his peer group or circle discussed this DDD matter with him

Bbm.
Agreed.

The occasional sympathy for LM is odd.
It's as ridiculous at harming or killing an automotive president/ceo because a vehicle was poorly manufactured.
Go back and fix the engine or brake problem, & not harm the ceo.

Even though LM murdered someone, people seem to be worried for what he's going through, but in all actuality, he's most likely in isolation from other prisoners as he is a high profile prisoner and if another prisoner were to harm him or worse-- imagine the outcry.
Imo.

 

[Chimera]

He misses friends wedding in July, Mom files MIA Nov 18 (what took her so long), arrives NY Nov 24, murders CEO Dec 5, arrested Altoona PA, Dec 9.

I was thinking as Luigi was a full grown adult; she kept thinking he'd hooked up with friends and was neglecting to check in with his parents ?
A little rude .. but an 'oh well', type of situation ?
Until his mom thought it could no longer be ignored, or she was able to contact all of his friends and associates and literally no one had heard from him ?
Imo.

 

[sds71]

Luigi Mangione may waive extradition to New York City as early as next Tuesday, the Manhattan District Attorney disclosed Friday.
"Indications are that the defendant may waive, but that waiver is not complete until a court proceeding,"Alvin Bragg said at a press conference Friday afternoon.

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday, Bragg said.

Luigi Mangione Could Waive Extradition To NYC Next Week

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday.

patch.com

 

[Sundog]

I would imagine he walked into his local bank and got out a large sum of cash before ever traveling to NYC.

So he must have run out of money by the time he got to PA or he needed more because LE are saying that he was using ATMs. Maybe they meant in the Altoona area.

 

[Friday Fan]

Hearing how some have reacted to the fact the healthcare system is so lucrative , almost to the extent that LM s actions are being justified it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he wasn’t mentally ill. He was just convinced it’s acceptable to murder a wealthy ceo. A vigilante if you will. I do not condone this attitude but it is rife on social media and my son was explaining some of the things his generation are saying …. “We understand where LM was coming from etc etc” and I am shocked

Shooting another is murder. Full stop.
To say It highlights and addresses a problem is absolute rubbish ….. there are other ways to achieve healthcare reform. He was on a bandwagon and who knows which of his peer group or circle discussed this DDD matter with him

There are plenty of sites with grumblings about UHC. There were plenty shortly before he was shot because it was Medicare open enrollment period. Posts like, "Medicare advantage is evil" were popping up online.

Ten years ago, it was that ubiquitous big box store that brought in self checkouts that had people in an uproar. People are now boycotting the world's largest online shopping site, because the owner didn't do this or that.

 

[sas0807]

Luigi Mangione may waive extradition to New York City as early as next Tuesday, the Manhattan District Attorney disclosed Friday.
"Indications are that the defendant may waive, but that waiver is not complete until a court proceeding,"Alvin Bragg said at a press conference Friday afternoon.

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday, Bragg said.

Luigi Mangione Could Waive Extradition To NYC Next Week

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday.

patch.com

Would there be any benefit to him waiving extradition?

 

[Jamara3]

I think he was a lone wolf too (but before he was caught, I didn't!).

I am curious about his finances, though. How was he funding all the world travel? Does he have disposable income from family?

Even rich kids are often expected to fend for themselves after schooling. Were his international travels FOR money?

And/or, did losing his job shock him into thinking he couldn't fend for himself? Did he have a wake-up call that being an adult is full of challenges, and he wasn't up to facing them? (That's what I kind of think, at the moment).

jmo

I can’t seem to find his LinkedIn anymore, but I believe he’d been promoted a few times at TrueCar as an engineer. It’s possible his total comp was near the ~$200k or even ~$250k range. For a single guy, that’s a lot of money. It’s kind of a trope for young single male engineers, lots of money, tend to be minimalists, no family yet, etc. Plus if he was laid off in June 2023 he probably had at least 6months of comp paid out. I think he likely had or has a lot of savings and possibly a trust fund. What he would have definitely lost however though is his health insurance. I would assume he had no other debt like student loans (must be nice!).

 

[Tiff23fr]

Another date specific data point for timelines:

Caption under a photo:
This photo, provided by the Hawaii Dept. of Land and Natural Resources, shows Luigi Mangione, a suspect in the fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, receiving a citation for failing to observe a posted closed-area sign, in Honolulu, Sunday, Nov. 12, 2023. (Hawaii Dept. of Land and Natural Resources via AP)

Back trouble and brain fog bothered suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing, his posts show

Social media posts from Luigi Mangione show the man suspected of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson underwent successful back surgery last year that alleviated debilitating chronic pain.

whyy.org

 

[Chimera]

Luigi Mangione may waive extradition to New York City as early as next Tuesday, the Manhattan District Attorney disclosed Friday.
"Indications are that the defendant may waive, but that waiver is not complete until a court proceeding,"Alvin Bragg said at a press conference Friday afternoon.

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday, Bragg said.

Luigi Mangione Could Waive Extradition To NYC Next Week

The earliest a court proceeding could be scheduled in Pennsylvania is Tuesday.

patch.com

Thanks for the update, @sds71 !

He must be following his atty.'s advice ?
Wise choice.
Omo.

 

[Seattle1]

Sanjay Gupta gives demonstration on Mangione's apparent spine condition​

Dec 12, 2024 #CNN #News
Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, is believed to have been suffering from a spinal condition called spondylolisthesis. CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta explains what this means.

Per Gupta -- this is a very common spinal condition -- may have been congenital or from an injury.

 

[sfinkz]

Luigi’s Asian travels, easily stitched together by LE, may be the only records of his movements after Hawaii.

If extensive time abroad, and off the Zen and banana pancake trail, not difficult to lay low in Asia.

I’d presume in the months preceding he was Mark Rosario or one of other ID’s he was fumbling for and always paying in cash while stateside.

Sure haven’t been any folks coming forward saying they rented a room to him for a month or anything, however. All recent encounters in Asia.

My guess is; LM has spent more time abroad than we’ve been led on.

ETA: Or does he have a fake passport, requiring quite a bit more sophistication? Nah, his legit one was seized.

 

[legalese]

Would there be any benefit to him waiving extradition?

Not really, no. Waiving just speeds up the process, but it would be a smart move on his part if he intends to seek a plea.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Are faraday bags considered suspicious? We already have wallets that block scammers from accessing credit card info. I keep my car key fob in a faraday box (there was a lot of car thefts for a while during Covid). If people are carrying laptops containing intellectual property would it be unusual for them to place them in backpacks that block access? In NYC and other large cities I would think there's several thousand people walking around with backpacks that have that technology. They aren't considered a threat by airport security.

Faraday bags are not necessarily suspicious in and of themselves - that's down the context in which they are used.

Corporate laptops will inevitably be protected by multiple levels of security, a very high level encryption of data and the ability to remotely turn them into a doorstop. When I worked for a fairly large law firm in the UK, my laptop had three levels of access security as well as data encryption. Whether a faraday bag adds anything to that, I really don't know.

 

[fred&edna]

Hearing how some have reacted to the fact the healthcare system is so lucrative , almost to the extent that LM s actions are being justified it wouldn’t surprise me to learn that he wasn’t mentally ill. He was just convinced it’s acceptable to murder a wealthy ceo. A vigilante if you will. I do not condone this attitude but it is rife on social media and my son was explaining some of the things his generation are saying …. “We understand where LM was coming from etc etc” and I am shocked

Shooting another is murder. Full stop.
To say It highlights and addresses a problem is absolute rubbish ….. there are other ways to achieve healthcare reform. He was on a bandwagon and who knows which of his peer group or circle discussed this DDD matter with him

ITA.

And, his supporters just might disgust me even more than LM... supporting and regurgitating rubbish.

jmo

 

[CityKid]

Some details I hadn’t seen before:

After arriving in the city, Mangione got a taxi and "immediately goes to a McDonald's in the vicinity of the Hilton hotel," said Kenny. From there, he went to the hostel where he was staying until the day of the shooting he stands accused of. Kenny said Mangione "was coming and going on a regular basis" from the hostel, and was seen on security camera footage with an e-bike battery.

Some time shortly after he allegedly shot Thompson, Mangione took a cab up to Washington Heights, near the George Washington Port Authority Bus Terminal, according to Kenny.

"From there we have him. We believe he may have taken the subway back to Penn Station and then made his way to Philadelphia from there," the NYPD chief told NBC New York.

He may have been aboard an A or C train to get down to the midtown transit hub.

How Mangione got to Pittsburgh and then Altoona is still not known, but police know how he may have paid for his travels.

"As far as how he was getting by when he was arrested, he had a substantial amount of cash on him. He was getting money from an ATM, everything he did he was paying for in cash," Kenny said, noting it was "one large withdrawal from the bank itself."

Mangione had more than $5,000 in cash on him at the time of his arrest, all in $100 bills, according to Kenny. Where the withdrawal took place was still being investigated.

'No indication' suspect in CEO killing was ever insured by UnitedHealthcare, NYPD says

As police continue to scour the history of the suspected shooter who gunned down an insurance CEO on a midtown Manhattan sidewalk, the NYPD said there is “no indication” he ever was a client of UnitedHealthcare.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I always suspected he took the A (subway) from GWB terminal back down to the main PA terminal at 42nd or Penn/Moynihan for transport out of the city. I think police were telling the truth, that he entered the GWB terminal but wasn't seen leaving, but the reason was that he just went downstairs and walked through a passageway to the subway and headed downtown.

 

[Seattle1]

He misses friends wedding in July, Mom files MIA Nov 18 (what took her so long), arrives NY Nov 24, murders CEO Dec 5, arrested Altoona PA, Dec 9.

Mom reported he was not answering his phone and his voicemail was full! And his last known work contact was no longer in business. Mom was now in panic mode.

 

[10ofRods]

He hasn’t worked for TrueCar since 2023, and I think that’s the last job we know about.

He more recently worked at the car-buying website TrueCar, but has not worked there since 2023, the head of the Santa Monica, California-based company confirmed to the AP.

Luigi Mangione's hard turn from wealth and success to murder suspect

Luigi Nicholas Mangione was apparently living a charmed life: the grandson of a wealthy real estate developer, valedictorian of his elite Baltimore prep school and with degrees from one of the nation’s top private universities.

apnews.com

The source for that was a family member (can't remember to which reporter).

Okay, it was to a report for the SF Chronicle, as detailed here:

Who is Luigi Mangione's mother? Kathleen Mangione reported son missing

The mother of the man suspected of killing United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson reported him missing to police in San Francisco weeks before the shooting.

www.newsweek.com

Newsweek corrects that person's view that he was working, but it's very odd that someone close to him would think he was still working there, although with remote work, it might be an easy thing to pretend to be doing. So he wasn't really working digitally while traveling, he was just traveling.