NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Chimera]

But then your phone is all greasy and salty.

What about if LM placed the phone in a ziploc first, though ?
Wouldn't that keep it clean ?
Omo.

 

[Inthedetails]

There's just no evidence of that at all. I've argued from the beginning that this was some lone attacker who originated from the East coast, and had a gripe with the insurance industry. He was literally telling us that with the messages on the rounds and the Monopoly money.

These attacks are always some lone lunatic with grudge, and everything here points to that being the case.

I think he was a lone wolf too (but before he was caught, I didn't!).

I am curious about his finances, though. How was he funding all the world travel? Does he have disposable income from family?

Even rich kids are often expected to fend for themselves after schooling. Were his international travels FOR money?

And/or, did losing his job shock him into thinking he couldn't fend for himself? Did he have a wake-up call that being an adult is full of challenges, and he wasn't up to facing them? (That's what I kind of think, at the moment).

jmo

 

[Sunshynn]

either he was very casual about the threats or arranged his own hit

If I have to choose between the two, I'd assume casual about the threats. MOO.
There is no evidence that LM and BT knew each other or that BT contacted LM or anyone else to arrange a hit.
The information about the threats came from BT's estranged wife so for all we know the threats were just people who were unhappy and voiced there opinions and didn't make any credible threats other than maybe saying something out of anger. BT's wife never went into specifics. IMO.

 

[Tiff23fr]

And "social engineering" doesn't mean capturing restricted information (finding out where BT is or is going) as much it means influencing the behavior of people by conning them, in this case, getting BT to do something or go somewhere.

From your post: behavior of people by conning them,

What might be the odds that a murderer is also a liar?

 

[Herat]

What about if LM placed the phone in a ziploc first, though ?
Wouldn't that keep it clean ?
Omo.

Then your Ziploc is all greasy and salty and you tranfer it onto the phone with all the mess in getting the greasy Ziploc open

 

[MassGuy]

I think he was a lone wolf too (but before he was caught, I didn't!).

I am curious about his finances, though. How was he funding all the world travel? Does he have disposable income from family?

Even rich kids are often expected to fend for themselves after schooling. Were his international travels FOR money?

And/or, did losing his job shock him into thinking he couldn't fend for himself? Did he have a wake-up call that being an adult is full of challenges, and he wasn't up to facing them? (That's what I kind of think, at the moment).

jmo

There's just no way of knowing where the money came from. Perhaps it was from his grandmother's trust, or he had saved up from his previous work. I don't think he was traveling to make money; it appears he was just into exploring new places and cultures (he wrote about the lack of human contact in Japan for instance).

He could have also just taken out a loan.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

But then your phone is all greasy and salty.

Not if you thoroughly wipe the crisp packet out first with kitchen roll.

Apparently faraday bags have a definite lifespan before they start to become ineffective and need to be replaced. I've seen that time given as anything from 3 to 12 months. At least a crisp packet is free (once you've eaten the crisps) and can be changed as often as the user wishes without further cost.

 

[Inthedetails]

Some details I hadn’t seen before:

After arriving in the city, Mangione got a taxi and "immediately goes to a McDonald's in the vicinity of the Hilton hotel," said Kenny. From there, he went to the hostel where he was staying until the day of the shooting he stands accused of. Kenny said Mangione "was coming and going on a regular basis" from the hostel, and was seen on security camera footage with an e-bike battery.

Some time shortly after he allegedly shot Thompson, Mangione took a cab up to Washington Heights, near the George Washington Port Authority Bus Terminal, according to Kenny.

"From there we have him. We believe he may have taken the subway back to Penn Station and then made his way to Philadelphia from there," the NYPD chief told NBC New York.

He may have been aboard an A or C train to get down to the midtown transit hub.

How Mangione got to Pittsburgh and then Altoona is still not known, but police know how he may have paid for his travels.

"As far as how he was getting by when he was arrested, he had a substantial amount of cash on him. He was getting money from an ATM, everything he did he was paying for in cash," Kenny said, noting it was "one large withdrawal from the bank itself."

Mangione had more than $5,000 in cash on him at the time of his arrest, all in $100 bills, according to Kenny. Where the withdrawal took place was still being investigated.

'No indication' suspect in CEO killing was ever insured by UnitedHealthcare, NYPD says

As police continue to scour the history of the suspected shooter who gunned down an insurance CEO on a midtown Manhattan sidewalk, the NYPD said there is “no indication” he ever was a client of UnitedHealthcare.

www.nbcnewyork.com

The subway station is directly connected to the GWB bus terminal via a pedestrian tunnel, but I'm a bit confused as NYPD said he was not seen leaving the station so I assumed they would've checked the camera at the subway turnstile. Maybe they did and we just didn't get the news.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

If I have to choose between the two, I'd assume casual about the threats. MOO.
There is no evidence that LM and BT knew each other or that BT contacted LM or anyone else to arrange a hit.
The information about the threats came from BT's estranged wife so for all we know the threats were just people who were unhappy and voiced there opinions and didn't make any credible threats other than maybe saying something out of anger. BT's wife never went into specifics. IMO.

Yes. To me, this "arranged his own hit" thing, is more insane than the foreign hitman theory, which made me want to jump off a bridge early on. It's worse than the "maybe she was sex trafficked thing," which comes up in every single missing person's case involving a woman.

People get complacent, and complacency can kill.

 

[Chimera]

Then your Ziploc is all greasy and salty and you tranfer it onto the phone with all the mess in getting the greasy Ziploc open

Ok, good point.
You win.
Lol, jk.

 

[fullcanter]

The Standard on Friday obtained the missing-person report on Luigi Mangione, raising new questions about when law enforcement first suspected he might be the killer of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO.

Luigi Mangione’s missing-person report: See what SFPD gave to the FBI

A missing person report led SFPD to inform the FBI that Luigi Mangione may be linked to the killing of UnitedHealthcare's CEO.

sfstandard.com

5’10” and 135 is very thin, wonder if it was accurate or a guess. Also, I would think a scar (or scars) from major back surgery would count as “marks.”

 

[mrstfs]

There's just no way of knowing where the money came from. Perhaps it was from his grandmother's trust, or he had saved up from his previous work. I don't think he was traveling to make money; it appears he was just into exploring new places and cultures (he wrote about the lack of human contact in Japan for instance).

He could have also just taken out a loan.

Or per his explanation, he’s a lucky bloke who had it conveniently planted on him. (Lol you know I don’t believe him)

Edited to add link where he claims it was planted-https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/11/us/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-arrest-explained?cid=ios_app

 

[mrstfs]

The Standard on Friday obtained the missing-person report on Luigi Mangione, raising new questions about when law enforcement first suspected he might be the killer of UnitedHealthcare’s CEO.

Luigi Mangione’s missing-person report: See what SFPD gave to the FBI

A missing person report led SFPD to inform the FBI that Luigi Mangione may be linked to the killing of UnitedHealthcare's CEO.

sfstandard.com

I’m curious why they waited so long to file a missing persons report? Not judging just generally curious.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

I’m curious why they waited so long to file a missing persons report? Not judging just generally curious.

Summer (July, August, September) in between and maybe they thought he would be travelling abroad (and working remotely from some place outside the USA) and they did not worry too much at the beginning? Jmoo.

 

[Sundog]

Opinion piece from Andrew Witty, CEO of UHG (boss of victim BT)

Opinion | UnitedHealth Group C.E.O.: The Health Care System Is Flawed. Let’s Fix It.

No one would design a system like the one we have. And no one did.

www.nytimes.com

Witty writes of Brian:

“[Brian] was raised in the same Iowa farmhouse as his mom. His dad spent more than 40 years unloading trucks at grain elevators. B.T., as we knew him, worked farm jobs as a kid and fished at a gravel pit with his brother. He never forgot where he came from, because it was the needs of people who live in places like Jewell, Iowa, that he considered first in finding ways to improve care. When a colleague proposed a new idea to Brian, he would always ask, “Would you want this for your own family?” If not, end of discussion”

<snipped for focus>

Thank you for posting this statement by United Healthcare leadership. It really brought tears to my eyes. This is an incredible loss, both to his family, friends, colleagues, community and for Brian himself, of course, in terms of who he might have continued to become as a leader in our country. He was only 50 years old.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

5’10” and 135 is very thin, wonder if it was accurate or a guess. Also, I would think a scar (or scars) from major back surgery would count as “marks.”

If accurate, it gives a BMI of 19.4, so slightly above being underweight.

 

[Seattle1]

You put your finger on the very details that keep bugging me.

Apparently, he was still working remotely for TrueCar right up until he was arrested or went on the lam ( TrueCar - Wikipedia - the article cites his mother as the source).

So, he's a remote worker, doesn't see colleagues on the daily. His actual address at the time he started making his way toward NYC is unknown or obscure. He has ghosted the friend group and that one good friend in Honolulu. His parents don't know where he is and do not have contact with him. He travels overseas (and appears to have met up with a group of Japanese friends or internet acquaintances - somehow he comes into contact with the men pictured in that one photo from Japan - but obviously, this is not a close friend group).

I am now wondering if he was engaged in low level criminal/antisocial acts along the way. Did he play up his back issue to get lower rent or even a place on someone's couch? I am also wondering how much he was paid by TrueCar and what exactly he did for them. If he can work remotely for them, then he can travel and work at the same time (lots of people his age are trying to do that). But why the radio silence with his own family?

And somehow, during all of this, he plans a murder. If he had a brokerage account and a watchlist, he would have gotten notification about all manner of of stockholder/investor events - not just UHG. His "manifesto" is written in a typical undergraduate way (IMO) and is very similar to his book reviews (thought-out, but hardly strong persuasive writing; it's more like personal blogging).

So is he almost completely inside his own mind at all times? Where are his computers/his home base? Where did he (or someone else) print out the gun? Was he mainly occupied with erasing/diluting his internet footprint (so he could become an anarchist assassin?) Such an odd mixture of organized, high functioning and really odd self-defeating behavior (keeping the gun was a bad idea, unless he was either so narcissistic he thought he was impossible to catch OR he intended to use it again).

IMO.

We know from both LM's LinkedIn Resume and corresponding MSM that he started his job at True Car, Inc located in Santa Monica, CA in 2020 as a Data Engineer I, and when he last updated his profile in Oct 2022, he'd progressed to Data Engineer III. Be reminded that the COVID pandemic also hit during this period, and at some period he started working remotely from Honolulu, HI until June 2023 when the firm went thru restructuring-- impacting 24% of it's headcount.

Since leaving True Car, LM allegedly had back surgery, traveled the world, and went dark on his family and friends beginning around July 2024. His mother reported him missing to SFPD on Nov 18, and he allegedly murdered UHC CEO Brian Thompson on Dec 4 in Manhattan, NY.

LM had a spiral notebook in his possession when arrested containing a to-do-list and "Manifesto" in his own handwriting. The legit Manifesto is concise and does not address his or his mother's health. Please take note reports of others are unverified and deemed fakes.

LM's manifesto message is essentially about corporations (UHC) that have simply gotten too powerful, and continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it. More importantly, it's all about LM. It's about LM's belief that he was going to be the first to face the power games at play " with brutal honesty." 12/11/24 - Newsweek (Manifesto)

TRUECAR ANNOUNCES STRATEGIC RESTRUCTURING AND LEADERSHIP TRANSITION

Restructuring Expected to Streamline Organization and Reduce Annualized Expenses by Over $20 Million Jantoon Reigersman Appointed President and Chief Executive Officer Michael Darrow to Depart...

ir.truecar.com

SANTA MONICA, Calif., June 14, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- TrueCar, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRUE) today announced a strategic restructuring to streamline the organization, including a workforce reduction impacting approximately 102 positions, or 24% of the Company's headcount, and the appointment of Jantoon Reigersman as President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Reigersman succeeds Michael Darrow, who is departing TrueCar and vacating his position on the Board.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/luigi-mangione/

 

[sas0807]

I’m curious why they waited so long to file a missing persons report? Not judging just generally curious.

Did they ever mention exactly when the family hired the PI? Maybe they tried to resolve the issue taking that route first before getting authorities involved.

 

[otto]

Any ideas or hunches about what precipitating event occurred before July 1st that caused him to totally isolate himself from friends & family? And, as Otto asked, what might he have been doing this time period?

Good question. He spent the early months of 2024, until April, travelling around Asia. Everything seemed normal according to those who met him during that time. According to reports, he endorsed spinal fusion surgery until May, then withdrew from the online conversation.

Given his decision to shoot a random insurance industry executive in the back, it's possible that he connected with someone online about his back concerns.

It seems that he went from his normal self to a very angry man during those missing months. Did he get there by himself, or was he communicating with online friends who wound him up until they triggered rage?

 

[branmuffin]

The missing time between July 1 and Dec 4 interests me. He intentionally cut off all contact with family and friends during that time. I doubt that he went into an intellectual black hole.

The faraday bag - when did he start using that to block anyone from tracking his phone? If that started in July, why?

Are faraday bags considered suspicious? We already have wallets that block scammers from accessing credit card info. I keep my car key fob in a faraday box (there was a lot of car thefts for a while during Covid). If people are carrying laptops containing intellectual property would it be unusual for them to place them in backpacks that block access? In NYC and other large cities I would think there's several thousand people walking around with backpacks that have that technology. They aren't considered a threat by airport security.