NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[BrianJohnson]

He said in his manifesto that he didn’t have a lookout (no help). He mentioned “elementary social engineering,” which implies he obtained that information from some unwitting person who was privy to details.

These guys invariably work alone (as their motive is personal), and the phone was probably an effort to blend in.

If he had help they’d know. They would have traced BT’s movements on surveillance footage, and it would be clear if he was being followed.

Help just fits in absolutely no way.

He would say that though, I hope it comes out who that call was to and why

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Apparently, he was still working remotely for TrueCar right up until he was arrested or went on the lam ( TrueCar - Wikipedia - the article cites his mother as the source).

I am also wondering how much he was paid by TrueCar and what exactly he did for them. If he can work remotely for them, then he can travel and work at the same time (lots of people his age are trying to do that).

It's certainly true that lots of young people are doing or trying to do the "digital nomad" thing at present, but I would imagine that few of them would be doing so with the health challenges he has/had. Deciding to work from a beach in Costa Rica or Bali for 6 months isn't a good idea if he may suddenly need major medical treatment/surgery far from home.

Would he have been able to arrange affordable travel insurance in view of his pre-existing problems? Even if he could, what would be the longest time he could be out of the US in order for that travel insurance to remain valid? For example, typical UK travel insurance allows you to be out of the UK for either 30 or 90 days depending on the type of policy. There are completely different policies for backpackers who may be travelling for a year or more or for people working overseas.

Obviously, his working remotely from Hawaii gets around that problem, but the reality is that the "digital nomad" thing assumes that someone is working overseas rather than in their home country.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

He kept his fake ID card, and gun, I think he wanted to get caught/become a cult hero

I don’t think he was working alone though,he was on the phone to someone minutes before BT got shot. Who? bit early to be phoning a friend for a casual chat, I think he had a lookout

While we have no idea, it's possible he was pretending to be on the phone, too. IMO

 

[Let’s Bagel]

He would say that though, I hope it comes out who that call was to and why

I don't want to put words in @MassGuy mouth, but I think he was inferring that the phone to his ear was a ruse to blend in to the surroundings.

 

[otto]

He would say that though, I hope it comes out who that call was to and why

The missing time between July 1 and Dec 4 interests me. He intentionally cut off all contact with family and friends during that time. I doubt that he went into an intellectual black hole.

The faraday bag - when did he start using that to block anyone from tracking his phone? If that started in July, why?

 

[BrianJohnson]

I still don’t understand why he has not had his charges upgraded to domestic terrorism, sure his kill count is 1 but he has struck fear into every healthcare company resulting in massively increased security for the C Suites, slam dunk domestic terrorism imho

 

[Tiff23fr]

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The missing time between July 1 and Dec 4 interests me. He intentionally cut off all contact with family and friends during that time. I doubt that he went into an intellectual black hole.

The faraday bag - when did he start using that to block anyone from tracking his phone? If that started in July, why?

The faraday bag, IMO, has become more and more common the last couple years even for non-criminal international travelers. Small blocking bags for IPads and phones are regularly handed out at tech conferences.

 

[Mica]

Why LM is only being charged with 2nd degree murder.

"Given the image of the homicide captured on surveillance video – a dark-hooded figure with a gray backpack fatally shooting the executive in the back from several feet away – the case may seem like an obvious candidate for an even more severe charge.
But under New York law, a first-degree murder charge only applies to a narrow list of aggravating circumstances, including when the victim is a judge, a police officer or a first responder, or when the killing involves a murder-for-hire or an intent to commit terrorism, legal experts told CNN."

Charges might be upgraded to 1st degree charges if LE can prove terrorism

"If it appears, for instance, the suspect had planned the killing for a while, evidence may point to a terrorism angle that could merit a bump-up to a first-degree murder charge in New York, said David Shapiro, a lecturer at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice.

“Terrorism is defined, basically, as creating, intimidating the civilian population or influencing a government unit to act in a certain way,” Shapiro told CNN."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-ceo/index.html

JMO

IMO, since LM chose not to use a bomb type of weapon because he didn’t want to kill innocents, I’m not sure if a terrorism charge would work here.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

The faraday bag, IMO, has become more and more common the last couple years even for non-criminal international travelers. Small blocking bags for IPads and phones are regularly handed out at tech conferences.

A metalised crisp/potato chip bag does the job just as well, at least for phones.

 

[BrianJohnson]

IMO, since LM chose not to use a bomb type of weapon because he didn’t want to kill innocents, I’m not sure if a terrorism charge would work here.

‘The U.S Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives’

Or any segment of would certainly be the healthcare sector

 

[JennieM]

Why the most serious charge in Luigi Mangione’s case is only second-degree murder​

2nd-degree murder charge has a key caveat​

If convicted of second-degree murder in New York, Mangione would face 15 years to life in prison, while a first-degree murder charge carries a sentence of 20 years to life.

But a second-degree murder charge in New York also includes a key option a first-degree murder charge does not: It allows the defendant an “affirmative defense,” essentially a “Yes, but” argument that could lessen the seriousness of the charge to first-degree manslaughter, Shapiro said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-ceo/index.html

 

[JDG]

He would say that though, I hope it comes out who that call was to and why

Perhaps the phone was simply a prop, looks like he’s on the phone but he isn’t.

Lots of people use their phone to bypass meet ups while walking or waiting.

JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

The missing time between July 1 and Dec 4 interests me. He intentionally cut off all contact with family and friends during that time. I doubt that he went into an intellectual black hole.

The faraday bag - when did he start using that to block anyone from tracking his phone? If that started in July, why?

Any ideas or hunches about what precipitating event occurred before July 1st that caused him to totally isolate himself from friends & family? And, as Otto asked, what might he have been doing this time period?

 

[legalese]

I still don’t understand why he has not had his charges upgraded to domestic terrorism, sure his kill count is 1 but he has struck fear into every healthcare company resulting in massively increased security for the C Suites, slam dunk domestic terrorism imho

Causing fear to others doesn’t mean it’s domestic terrorism, though.

NY PL S 490.25 Crime of terrorism.
1. A person is guilty of a crime of terrorism when, with intent to
intimidate or coerce a civilian population, influence the policy of a
unit of government by intimidation or coercion, or affect the conduct of
a unit of government by murder, assassination or kidnapping, he or she
commits a specified offense.

Based on the information we have, I just don’t see how shooting the CEO of a public corporation rises to the level of domestic terrorism. There’s certainly intimidation, but not of the general civilian population—the intimidation is towards a very small subset of people (executives of public healthcare corporations). IMO, not enough for a domestic terrorism charge (at least at this time).

 

[citygirl]

Attorney David B. Irwin, who has been advising the Mangione family following Luigi's arrest, tells TMZ ... the suspected shooter's loved ones are in the dark about the case -- saying they don't "know all the facts."

In fact, the attorney tells us the family only knows what they "read in the papers" ... making it clear they aren't involved in Luigi's legal woes.

They did have a short, albeit sweet, message for Luigi ... who the attorney says the family "loves."

He adds ... "We wish him the best."

Luigi Mangione's Family Attorney Says They're in The Dark, 'Wish Him the Best'

Luigi Mangione's family appears to be distancing themselves from the Brian Thompson murder investigation ... in which the Ivy League graduate is the main suspect.

www.tmz.com

I’m taking this with a grain of sale for now. MOO

 

[bestill]

The missing time between July 1 and Dec 4 interests me. He intentionally cut off all contact with family and friends during that time. I doubt that he went into an intellectual black hole.

The faraday bag - when did he start using that to block anyone from tracking his phone? If that started in July, why?

Where has he been and where are his personal things? He's had to be somewhere for 5 months.

 

[krikken]

He kept his fake ID card, and gun, I think he wanted to get caught/become a cult hero

I don’t think he was working alone though,he was on the phone to someone minutes before BT got shot. Who? bit early to be phoning a friend for a casual chat, I think he had a lookout

I do actually think it might be a larger conspiracy.

But assuming he was solo, what makes you rule out the possibility that he called BT's number with some ploy to get him to come to the Hilton?

 

[acutename]

Any chance LM had issue with insurance companies like UHC denying coverage for nursing home residence in which his family owned?

Perhaps LM is sympathetic to those residence and the care they are being denied due to the insurance companies refusing to pay.

Although it doesn't seem LM had any part in the working of his families business.

JMO

there was a source which said he did and it might have been on his LinkedIn but I cannot find it of course-
aha: volunteered:

What we know about Luigi Mangione, suspect charged in ...​

CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com › Crime




6 hours ago — He was the school's valedictorian and captained its robotics team. He also received a scholarship prize in 2014. He also volunteered at Lorien ...

it actually said 2014 IMO. More attention to the facilities now Luigi Mangione’s family operated nursing home empire that was cited for abuse and health violations

 

[Friday Fan]

‘The U.S Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) defines terrorism as the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives’

Or any segment of would certainly be the healthcare sector

That's a generic definition. But the actual federal laws are much more specific.

DT (Domestic Terrorism) is not a chargeable federal offense. While an individual may commit crimes that are widely considered to be acts of DT, they cannot be charged at the federal level with committing an act of DT because there is no federal criminal provision expressly prohibiting domestic terrorism. For example, Timothy McVeigh, widely considered a domestic terrorist in the United States,23 was never charged with or convicted of DT. Instead, he was convicted of murder, conspiracy, and using a weapon of mass destruction in the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people.24 Some states have DT laws,25 and individuals who commit certain offenses in those states may face prosecution for DT under state law.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47885#:~:text=The%20federal%20government%20defines%20domestic,USA%20PATRIOT%20Act%20(18%20U.S.C.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Manifesto?
What I find missing from his “writings” is any understanding about what he sees as the issue.
Healthcare is a big general word. Is his issue with doctors? Hospitals? Costs of lab tests or prescription drugs? Insurance vs insurance coverage? Types of insurance. All of it?

Does he want National Health? He probably wouldn’t like that either - as it’s not “on demand”.

His life expectancy issue is not explored (USA very close to UK with national healthcare - obvious that cost or insurance not a factor)

Is his issue - CEO pay? Bean counters? Shareholders? Profits from healthcare

Or does he want to kill executives?

IMO … he has not researched “insurance” and “healthcare” and made any coherent argument, he has not drawn any meaningful conclusions for his “audience”. It’s not a manifesto, it’s some thoughts which he thinks are grandiose and original and punctuated with murder.

IMO … LM suffering disordered thoughts, paranoia and obsessional thoughts about BT. Not a visionary. Not a leader. He has become a cold murderer who shot his victim in the back … a coward. His murder changes nothing. He is a failure.

Helpful thoughts, Baby baby Jane. Besides his back pain & Lyme disease issues, I cannot imagine what happened that caused him to totally isolate from friends & family, engage in disordered thinking and seemingly go off the deep end. IMO