NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[chrism23]

Here's an interesting nugget, perhaps off topic Marc Bertolini former CEO of Aetna was given a $273 million, that's $273,000,000 severance package when he sold the company CVS.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I would like to know where the non-3D printed gun components were shipped to.

Will there even be a record of it? They aren't controlled parts (as far as I'm aware) so there is no background check or anything needed. He may have bought them in a gun shop for cash.

 

[Tiff23fr]

One other thought on travels:
Was he traveling internationally under a fake name/passport?

Given his mom runs a travel agency, I suspect she has his passport info from booking past family travel. Frequent Flier info attached to a travelers profile would also indicate HI and Oversees travel if he was using his own identifying info.

Just thinking out loud I suppose…

Source:
"Kathy has a travel agency. She does trips to Italy," she said.

Luigi Mangione: Tracing the privileged Baltimore family roots of suspected CEO killer

In his home city, the accused shooter's family name has meant wealth, power, prominence and philanthropy for decades.

www.bbc.com

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, he was one of 100 people who were laid off. These days, its not unusual in the IT job market. Companies often hire groups of IT people as full time employees, push them to finish a project, then lay them off when its completed. There's a lot of job insecurity in the field over the last few years, even for highly skilled workers with advanced degrees.

Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023. He Returned Transformed

Lingering back issues and a layoff left the onetime prep-school valedictorian changed forever.

www.thedailybeast.com

Tech Layoffs: US Companies With Job Cuts In 2024 And 2025

Tech layoffs: At least 95,000 workers at U.S.-based tech companies were laid off in mass job cuts in 2024 and the cuts have continued into 2025.

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@Betty P

Is it possible to find out when he was laid off, and if he was even attending work by that time?

I paid attention to the fact that Ted Kaczynski ended his life on June 10, 2023.

His book produced an impression upon Luigi, and per his Hawaii friends accounts, the book was difficult to read and the book club founded by Luigi dissolved over it. Luigi continued on his own…could his radio silence start at the moment of Unabomber’s suicide and essentially mean, grief?

Kaczynski’s story is very saddening in illustrating how a society fails to put talents to a good use. Victor Sidis, another child prodigy and definitely, a much better person, is another example. Families, too…all these child prodigy cases start with overambitious parents.

I wonder if Luigi continued reading, along the same vein, but loneliness and the fact that these books fell on an unprepared soil, ended up in a tragedy?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

i agree! reading all the stories, i really hope at least something good will come out of this for americans who are disabled and ill and struggling with the system as it is, but it’s hard to predict. there seems to be some momentum for people who want change, but how does that translate into real life change? would it even be possible to change this system? i think it’s one of the most interesting things about this case! it makes it about something much bigger then just BT, LM and those close to them. but then again, maybe nothing will change besides two families now being broken and hurt.

i agree so much with your statements.

I have kept a quote from an Atlantic article a few days ago. This IS a real possibility.
Of all the possible outcomes available, the least shared, argued over, and considered is one that the shooter alludes to himself—that what feels to all of us like an era-defining event may ultimately be unremarkable in its brutality, in its inability to effect change, and in how quickly everyone moves on.

 

[ex-stat]

I wondered if his family even knew that he had been in Hawaii. We have his Hawaii neighbour stating that he was there 3-4 months prior to the incident, yet his mum put his last location as San Francisco to the police.

I noticed there was nothing on X about Hawaii or where he was/his location. He may have hidden a lot from people.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

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It remains my opinion that LM is not a normal person. In my view. It's not too early for me to say that and so I did. We will never have an absolute or objective viewpoint into a human mind - but it's not too soon to draw a few simple conclusions.

LM is in custody for cold-blooded murder, which he performed in a statement-making and fairly unique manner. He's not a "normal person" as I use the phrase. Indeed, he is apparently quite gifted (probably a 1%er in terms of IQ, given his valedictory status and extremely high performance at an Ivy.) Just that, alone makes him not typical Unusual. Highly unusual.

The fact that he performed such a heinous anti-social act makes him decidedly not normal, in my book. He intertwined a bunch of other antisocial behaviors into this murder (printing out an unregistered gun; being in possession of loaded gun on NYC streets; fake ID's/identity theft). He ran into trouble with the law. Pretty much textbook anti-social behavior.

IMO.

I so agree, Rods.
Apparently so gifted, I believe family expectations throughout his life were a tremendous pressure, even if he didn"t show this pressure overtly.

There may be relevance to the specific age of 26 coming and going when he started to go underground.
Let's say he was covered on a family insurance program, and he was coming to a point of "non-coverage", insurance wise. And possibly inheritance or family financial backing was coming to a close.
All of a sudden, he was not the "shining star son". And he could not handle his own failures.
Rather than face up to his own failures, he built a wall of self-protection that turned into masterful ingenuity and anger against everything except himself.
And he just focused all that masterful ingenuity and violence into his plan towards the Insurance Industry.

A caveat though. I know I just want to find THE specific answer to such violence, but that is so often NOT the case at all.
moo

 

[Occam's Zebra]

Here's an interesting nugget, perhaps off topic Marc Bertolini former CEO of Aetna was given a $273 million, that's $273,000,000 severance package when he sold the company CVS.

Source for that number?

From what I know, a big part of his severance package was stock options or stock already in hand. That's the case for most severance packages.

What's even more shocking is the amount Aetna spent on its failed merger with Humana - $1.8 billion - with a B. $1 billion of that went straight to Humana and the rest was legal fees, etc.

Y'all think there are going to be bills to nationalize health care and get rid of private insurers? It'll never happen. Companies spend so much money in DC to keep those bills off the table. IMHO that's where a large chunk of premiums go.

 

[GRT]

I don’t know if Penn would give credit for AP courses. The college my kids went to wasn’t Ivy League but considered “top tier” and it didn’t give credits for AP . It did allow the student to skip a required course , let’s say English 101 if you had a 5 in English AP, but would not award actual credit.

That is interesting. My son was in the AP program at his high school, and in his Junior and Senior years, he took participating classes offered at a local college. By the time he graduated, he had 1.5 years of college credits under his belt that the university he attended (KU) accepted. Maybe that's because they were actual college classes, though.

I wonder if LM had a similar experience.

 

[Tiff23fr]

His mom apparently hired the PI 6 months prior to reporting him missing, no link at this time. He clearly had access to money even without his parents and a job. Somehow.
An aside..Another character profile point that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is his rebellion possibly being ignited by his strict upbringing and family expectations.
Ps does anyone recall reading, like I do, that he actually quit his 2023 job because he found it “boring and mindless”. Vs being laid off. I don’t think we know for a fact that he was part of their layoff. ?

Attached is a link around the PI discussion.
When I was reading it, it suddenly stood out that once again the friend is sharing a story they “were told”.

'They hired a private investigator, they were so worried.'
The friend said they had been told that Mangione had struggled with pain medication due to an injury.
'There was some sort of accident. I knew he was hurt some time ago and that led to the painkiller thing, and then the whole family issue,' he said.

Luigi Mangione 'mysteriously cut off family and went missing': Source

Alleged UnitedHealthcare CEO murderer Luigi Mangione was estranged from his family for over a year, causing them to hire a private investigator to locate him, friends told DailyMail.com.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ilovewings]

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[ilovewings]

So yesterday I am watching Law and Order ( it is classic and timeless)- anyway, the episode is 22 years old and was written by Wendy Battles- The Title of the Episode
is "Undercovered"- so you can guess what it was about- The father of a 9 year old child has leukemia. His daughter was given two options for treatment: Bone marrow transplant for which she was unlikely to receive a match, or a drug, Gleevec, which would cost 2500.00 monthly. A man named Slater was one of three people who worked for the insurance company that would decide which treatment to give the child. Slater cast the deciding vote on the panel that denied his child the costly treatment ( the father was told Slater made that decision)-- The father killed Mr. Slater in cold blood

An Article was referenced on Google that appears in the Atlantic that describes life imitating art with the shooting of Mr. Thompson. I tried to copy the article from the Atlantic but it would not copy.

As I was watching the program yesterday and noted it dates back to 2001 I immediately thought of this case. Wendy Battles has been interviewed about the similarity of the fictional case v. real life (life imitating art?)

If you want to google the article it is titled " Inside the Law and Order Episode that Predicted a health care executive killing"

 

[Tiff23fr]

@Friday Fan we were discussing the Tinder account yesterday. Did you/others look at the two photos closely? It would be great to hear some added observations:

My Observations:
-Two similar looking individuals suggesting (look left/look right) IMO
-While similar, one may appear to some to have a more “photogenic” appeal; especially in regards to the abs
-The last sync date was 12/9
-12/9 was the day he was arrested
The second image
-shoes with the white striping along the bottom
-Highlights a wildfire in background

Of note, A wildfire occurred in CA on 12/9.
(Below is a link to the story as it ran in NY.)

Did somebody drop a little photoshopped Luigi in there to make it look like he was somewhere else in those same shoes. LOL- nah that would be silly right?

Other thoughts or observations?

Link to Images is here:

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

Franklin Fire, burning near Pepperdine University, prompts evacuation orders

Firefighters continue to battle the flames of a 2,200-acre wildfire that started Monday night, prompting evacuation orders, road closures and school closures in Malibu near Pepperdine University.

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Betty P]

@Betty P

Is it possible to find out when he was laid off, and if he was even attending work by that time?

I paid attention to the fact that Ted Kaczynski ended his life on June 10, 2023.

His book produced an impression upon Luigi, and per his Hawaii friends accounts, the book was difficult to read and the book club founded by Luigi dissolved over it. Luigi continued on his own…could his radio silence start at the moment of Unabomber’s suicide and essentially mean, grief?

Kaczynski’s story is very saddening in illustrating how a society fails to put talents to a good use. Victor Sidis, another child prodigy and definitely, a much better person, is another example. Families, too…all these child prodigy cases start with overambitious parents.

I wonder if Luigi continued reading, along the same vein, but loneliness and the fact that these books fell on an unprepared soil, ended up in a tragedy?

I don't know if its possible to check private employment information.

From all professional news media accounts, it sounds like he worked while there. Again, he was laid off at the same time as 99 other employees. This happens these days, especially with the "start up" kind of companies that are reliant on producing and selling some sort of computer app or somesuch. It's very common, I know people who work in IT who have been going through this the last few years. Some of these start ups are junk, run by people who have no computer skills of their own, but make a good sales pitch to investors.

While LM seemed to identify with parts of Ted K's manifesto, his lifestyle and personal habits didn't appear to be the same. Up until the last month or so before the murder, he seemed to be in touch with family and friends, involved, etc.

 

[SlimPickens]

@Betty P

Is it possible to find out when he was laid off, and if he was even attending work by that time?

I paid attention to the fact that Ted Kaczynski ended his life on June 10, 2023.

His book produced an impression upon Luigi, and per his Hawaii friends accounts, the book was difficult to read and the book club founded by Luigi dissolved over it. Luigi continued on his own…could his radio silence start at the moment of Unabomber’s suicide and essentially mean, grief?

Kaczynski’s story is very saddening in illustrating how a society fails to put talents to a good use. Victor Sidis, another child prodigy and definitely, a much better person, is another example. Families, too…all these child prodigy cases start with overambitious parents.

I wonder if Luigi continued reading, along the same vein, but loneliness and the fact that these books fell on an unprepared soil, ended up in a tragedy?

Kaczynski's book was difficult to read because it was written by a man with paranoid schizophrenia, and that would make his very nature disjointed, and oft-grandiose and delusional. It would likely only be fascinating to and "understood" by someone seeing the world via a similar lens, if you get my drift. To which, of course, that someone would then probably become agitated and dissolve his book club because "no one else gets it".

JMO.

 

[Trebor5591]

Will there even be a record of it? They aren't controlled parts (as far as I'm aware) so there is no background check or anything needed. He may have bought them in a gun shop for cash.

I think that would be the metallic parts--the barrel, firing pin, magazine, etc. If LE can access his email and web purchases, they will be able to determine where he bought those components, if he bought them on line, which almost certainly he did.

 

[Cryptic]

Will there even be a record of it? They aren't controlled parts (as far as I'm aware) so there is no background check or anything needed. He may have bought them in a gun shop for cash.

I think you have a very good question- "Where did he get the final parts for the 3-D gun?

Licensed gun dealers care deeply about their licenses and are inspected by the ATF annually.

They tend to systematically avoid anything that could endanger their licenses, or if technically legal, cause the annual inspection to be conducted with even more scrutiny. This goes double for things for which there is little interest / profit in

As a result, I imagine that a significant majority of licensed gun dealers would revert to: "We do absolutely do not carry components for 3-D printer guns here- even if its technically legal. No, I have no idea where you can find those parts- good bye."

Another possibility could be unlicensed dealers at gun shows. But.... even gun shows can be restrictive on what gun related or "misc" products they allow to be sold at their shows. I can imagine that most shows would ban such components under a: " We don't want the show to become a "go to" destination for anything remotely related to ghost guns- its just not worth it." line of thought.

I am guessing the dark web? Or perhaps a meet up with an individual met through an internet forum?

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think that would be the metallic parts--the barrel, firing pin, magazine, etc. If LE can access his email and web purchases, they will be able to determine where he bought those components, if he bought them on line, which almost certainly he did.

You may well be right but let's not forget this this guy is pretty savvy as regards computers. I doubt he's left much of a trail.

Again, depends how he's come by the parts - they could have come from a friend, a random gun he came across and dismantled. anything really.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I think you have a very good question- "Where did he get the final parts for the 3-D gun?

Licensed gun dealers care deeply about their licenses and are inspected by the ATF annually.

They tend to systematically avoid anything that could endanger their licenses, or if technically legal, cause the annual inspection to be conducted with even more scrutiny. This goes double for things for which there is little interest / profit in

As a result, I imagine that a significant majority of licensed gun dealers would revert to: "We do absolutely do not carry components for 3-D printer guns here- even if its technically legal. No, I have no idea where you can find those parts- good bye."

Another possibility could be unlicensed dealers at gun shows. But.... even gun shows can be restrictive on what gun related or "misc" products they allow to be sold at their shows. I can imagine that most shows would ban such components under a: " We don't want the show to become a "go to" destination for anything remotely related to ghost guns- its just not worth it." line of thought.

I am guessing the dark web? Or perhaps a meet up with an individual met through an internet forum?

They aren't parts for 3D printed guns, though. They are parts to fit a Glock. Buying a barrel, springs, trigger components, etc is very common indeed. People do it all the time. No dealer would think twice about selling them or think there was anything suspicious about someone buying them.

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Second pic down, a replacement barrel in its retail packaging hanging on a peg-board display. Very common.

 

[Trebor5591]

They aren't parts for 3D printed guns, though. They are parts to fit a Glock. Buying a barrel, springs, trigger components, etc is very common indeed. People do it all the time. No dealer would think twice about selling them or think there was anything suspicious about someone buying them.

New Ballistic Advantage 9mm Replacement Barrels for Glock - Firearms News

Whether you want to upgrade your factory Glock, Glock clone, or custom pistol, the new Ballistic Advantage 9mm barrels will bring you match-level performance, looks and features.

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Second pic down, a replacement barrel in its retail packaging hanging on a peg-board display. Very common.

Thank you. Perfect answer.