NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[JDG]

I believe, iirc, the clause is in the trust fund.

If the parents have retained the lawyer (we do not know that) THAT will wipe out their inheritance or a great deal of it!

There’s a rumour that LM will waive the extradition? to NYS later today.

He might be off to Rikers, oh joy!

 

[sunspun]

Has his grandmother already passed away?

If her descendant gets a felony charge after they have already inherited, do they have to give it back??

 

[MassGuy]

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/luigi-mangione-insanity-defense-ceo-shooting-59ee407bDefense Strategy: Focus on mitigating punishment rather than arguing over guilt.

Bullet points of this WSJ article which is behind a paywall:

• Evidence Against Mangione: Shell casings, fingerprints, surveillance footage, ghost gun, 3-D printed silencer, and a handwritten note.
• Charges Against Mangione: Second-degree murder, criminal possession of a weapon, and other offenses.

• Potential Defenses: Mangione’s defense might argue that his actions were influenced by his mental state, potentially using a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity or claiming extreme emotional disturbance.
• Extreme Emotional Disturbance Defense: This defense, while rarely used, could be more promising for Mangione, potentially attributing his actions to a debilitating back injury and subsequent surgery.
• Insanity Plea: Another potential defense is a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, although the evidence against Mangione is considered overwhelming.

• Insanity Defense Impact: Reduces a second-degree murder charge to manslaughter, lowering the maximum sentence from life to 25 years.
• Successful Insanity Defense Cases: Ian Kazer (2021) and Gigi Jordan (unspecified date) used the defense successfully in their respective cases.
• Challenges of Insanity Defense: Mangione’s actions, such as wearing a face mask and hiding from investigators, could make it difficult to prove insanity.

• Defense Strategy: Defense attorneys aim to limit admissible evidence, potentially suppressing crucial items like the gun, bullet casings, and Mangione’s note.
• Insanity Defense Challenges: The insanity defense rarely succeeds, with only 11 successful cases out of nearly 10,000 trials in New York from 2018 to 2022.
• Jury Nullification Potential: Defense lawyers might attempt to generate juror sympathy and tap into public anger towards the healthcare industry to achieve jury nullification, a scenario where jurors reach a not-guilty verdict despite believing the defendant committed the crime.

 

[Friday Fan]

It's a very unusual clause to include in a Will - that any beneficiary who is indicted for criminal activity is excluded from the Will. Was there some financial monkey-business with siblings and estate distribution?

Did the Will also state that descendants of Will beneficiaries can nullify their parent's interest in the estate if they are indicted for criminal activity? If so, Mangione just wiped out his parents' inheritance.

Luigi Mangione's friend said that he always had a darkness about him. That sounds like a longterm friend who saw something that made him uncomfortable - but that's pure speculation. I keep a cautious distance if I meet a friend who has a "darkness".

To shoot a complete stranger in the back because Mangione was on a "Mission" to make a "statement" with his unibomber-inspired "manifesto"? That sounds sociopathic.

He had no empathy for his victim. His mission holds a strong prejudice against the health insurance industry, so he used extreme violence to randomly eliminate that perceived threat. He believes that he understands a higher order, and he retaliates to restore injustice.

I think he has hate-related psychological illness that make him dangerous for the rest of his life.

I don't think that is an unusual clause in a will. She died in 2013 (he would have been 15) and the grandfather died in 2008. They had like 25 grandkids!

 

[Friday Fan]

I believe, iirc, the clause is in the trust fund.

If the parents have retained the lawyer (we do not know that) THAT will wipe out their inheritance or a great deal of it!

There’s a rumour that LM will waive the extradition? to NYS later today.

He might be off to Rikers, oh joy!

Oh...I think that is fairly common!

Something tells me he won't go to Rikers or will go to some cushy part or something. Watch! You win the bet if he goes to a dark, wet place!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Law enforcement sources told ABC News that Mangione's mother spoke with a task force of FBI agents and New York Police Department detectives one day before her son's arrest on Dec. 9.

That conversation followed a tip the FBI received from the police in San Francisco, where Mangione's mother filed the missing persons report.
Luigi Mangione's mom indicated to FBI that CEO killing suspect photos could be her son: sources

I am sad for LM's family as they too are victims of his senseless actions. It sounds as if his mother was trying to figure out what was going on with her son, but that can be difficult when children are adults. I imagine that conversation with authorities on the 9th was very difficult.

I am certain those conversations were difficult. But at least she did come forward. I think if she hadn't...it would be difficult for her going forward.

IF Mom added more photographs to the search WITH his name....he would have been nabbed anywhere. It just happened in Altoona first.

 

[Zinn]

Altruism is selfless concern. This killer was ego-saturated. Folks don't tend to work themselves up to a violent reckoning if they don't think that their ideas are the only solutions. Heck, he probably ended the book club because others had the gall to merely disagree with him (about Kaczynski).

(Deleted a portion of my response as it was repetitive. Did not mean to reply to both posters on same topic.)

And either he was experiencing a shift in his mental health, or he'd already dabbled in revolutionary politics (and not the Gandhi or Martin Luther King kind).

The whole thing about the book club, if true (that he was organizing a club to read Ted K's work!) would help explain why some thought him "dark" and others may have begun to avoid him. Which puts into doubt my own use of the word "ghosting" in regards to LM going missing. It could also be that as he amped up with these ideas, others began to avoid him.

All of this would accelerate his aberrant thinking.

Perhaps this has already been addressed, but in case it has not, LM’s landlord/friend has stated it was him (the landlord) and another club member, not LM, who suggested reading Ted K’s manifesto in the book club. Landlord has always wanted to read it and thought assigning it to the club would force him to read it. Most club members didn’t make it through the first chapter. Landlord did not recall LM having unusual or passionate feelings about it.

 

[girlhasnoname]

So LM was on LE's radar as early as Dec 5th:

<snipped>
NEW YORK (AP) — The day after a masked gunman killed the CEO of UnitedHealthcare in New York City, police in San Francisco gave the FBI a potentially valuable tip about the identity of the suspect: He looked like a man who had been reported missing to them the previous month, Luigi Mangione.

San Francisco police provided Mangione’s name to the FBI on Dec. 5, according to a law enforcement official was not authorized to publicly discuss details of the investigation and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.

After UnitedHealthcare CEO's killing, San Francisco police gave FBI tip about suspect's identity

 

[otto]

I believe, iirc, the clause is in the trust fund.

If the parents have retained the lawyer (we do not know that) THAT will wipe out their inheritance or a great deal of it!

There’s a rumour that LM will waive the extradition? to NYS later today.

He might be off to Rikers, oh joy!

The grandmother's $30 million (or more) estate was recently distributed between her 10 children and ... was it 37 grandchildren? If a beneficiary, or descendant(?), was indicted for crime, they and descendants, or just the beneficiaries, were stripped of estate inheritance? Did Luigi Mangione blow up his siblings inheritance over a copycat manifesto? Did the stipulation in the Will apply to children of beneficiaries?

His lawyer must be arguing 'mentally delicate' special circumstances for now ... nice prison cell until verdict. He wrote words on expelled bullets while shooting a stranger in the street, pulled his handy dandy e-bike battery out of his back pocket and rode off into the park, then left a backpack full of monopoly money in the park, jumped off the disappearing ebike, jumped into a cab, disappeared into bus/train transit.

I think Mangione is toying with people regarding the health industry back-surgery story. I think he wanted to see what it felt like to shoot someone in the back, a high profile person like a valedictorian, someone like himself, except without the privileged childhood - and he expected to get away with it. If he didn't get away with it, he expects cheer-leaders

Does he believe himself to be an important person with a superior vision for health insurance? Probably.

Mission based murder can go either way. Cold blooded killer stridently making some point based on indoctrination, or sociopath with a perceived higher order and desire for retaliation to restore injustice.

Luigi Mangione seems dangerous, like sociopaths. He seems to be attempting to impose his version of justice because he has a vision of a higher order that eliminates $10M salaries for CEOs.

He couldn't get a job in the video game industry, so he decided to be street shooter with a 3 page manifesto? That's nuts.

 

[SleuthJan]

Bbm.
Whoahhh... That's a huge amount of reversals !

Can't UH see there is a problem ?
This goes way back, and long before Brian's murder.
My goodness.
Imo.

This is why the whole country is watching this case, and the sympathy for Brian Thompson is so low.

 

[waldojabba]

What does that mean? No more CEOs or no more AI insurance assessment?

So I read the article. It seems he is using middleman to refer to pharmacy benefit managers :


“Pharmacy benefit managers negotiate drug costs with pharmacies and drug manufacturers and help build drug coverage lists for health plans, mostly on behalf of employers and the government. They directly reimburse pharmacies for prescription drugs included under their agreed terms.

"The horrible middleman that makes more money, frankly, than the drug companies, and they don't do anything except they're a middleman," Trump said on Monday, at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida.

"I don't know who these middlemen are, but they are rich," he said.

Just my take

 

[NuttMegg]

New York Times Runs Dozens of Stories About Slain CEO – But Hasn’t Covered the Killing of Teenager in Possible Hate Crime Just a Few Miles Away

Two Killings in Manhattan a Day Apart, and the Gap in The New York Times' Coverage of Them Might as Well Be Measured in Light-Years

www.mediaite.com

 

[detective.moon]

“Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker Alex Gibney will produce a documentary about the Dec. 4 killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson and his accused killer, 26-year-old University of Pennsylvania graduate Luigi Mangione, his production company announced less than two weeks after Thompson’s killing.”

Luigi Mangione Documentary In The Works: Here’s What We Know

Alex Gibney, an Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker, will produce the film.

www.forbes.com

 

[Let’s Bagel]

So I read the article. It seems he is using middleman to refer to pharmacy benefit managers :


“Pharmacy benefit managers negotiate drug costs with pharmacies and drug manufacturers and help build drug coverage lists for health plans, mostly on behalf of employers and the government. They directly reimburse pharmacies for prescription drugs included under their agreed terms.

"The horrible middleman that makes more money, frankly, than the drug companies, and they don't do anything except they're a middleman," Trump said on Monday, at a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago club in Palm Beach, Florida.

"I don't know who these middlemen are, but they are rich," he said.

Just my take

There is a guest who has been on Rogan (his name escapes me right now) multiple times who rails against the Pharmacy Benefit Mangers. If i'm not mistaken, this is also what led Mark Cuban to start his prescription business.

ETA - Brigham Buhler is the guy's name. And don't get me wrong, this guy is selling something himself, but from my experience in healthcare and having a daughter who has been on expensive medications for rheumatoid arthritis for 20 years, much of what he says is true.

 

[sds71]

Luigi Mangione’s preliminary hearing in Pennsylvania is now scheduled for Thursday, Dec. 19. It was originally scheduled for Dec. 23.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869022698493694214

 

[dotr]

December 17, 2024

Luigi Mangione is the new true crime obsession. Here are the 3 upcoming documentaries about him.

An Emmy nominee and an Oscar winner are working on separate documentaries about Luigi Mangione and the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.aol.com

• ''The race is on to be the first to make a true crime show about him.
• Two documentaries and an hourlong special have been announced so far.

True crime has a new protagonist: Luigi Mangione.''

''The shooting has had a huge cultural impact, sparking conversations about what is seen as the normalization of violence in the US and the state of the healthcare system. It seemed inevitable that true crime shows would follow at a time when the genre's popularity is at its height.''

'On Monday, Variety also reported that Investigation Discovery, Warner Bros. Discovery's true crime network, will release an hourlong special about the Mangione case in February 2025.''

 

[Cryptic]

They aren't parts for 3D printed guns, though. They are parts to fit a Glock. Buying a barrel, springs, trigger components, etc is very common indeed. People do it all the time. No dealer would think twice about selling them or think there was anything suspicious about someone buying them.

Wow, I had not thought of that.

As you said, its not buying parts for 3-D printed gun "PG". Instead, its buying standard parts for the ubber popular Glock. That is a really "good" design feature of the 3-D gun.

I agree with you fully. The Glock parts are readily available from any number of sources. Likewise, as you said, buying them would not raise any suspicions. Nor would sellers be reluctant to be associated with such parts.

 

[NuttMegg]

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/luigi-mangione-insanity-defense-ceo-shooting-59ee407bDefense Strategy: Focus on mitigating punishment rather than arguing over guilt.

Bullet points of this WSJ article which is behind a paywall:

• Evidence Against Mangione: Shell casings, fingerprints, surveillance footage, ghost gun, 3-D printed silencer, and a handwritten note.
• Charges Against Mangione: Second-degree murder, criminal possession of a weapon, and other offenses.

• Potential Defenses: Mangione’s defense might argue that his actions were influenced by his mental state, potentially using a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity or claiming extreme emotional disturbance.
• Extreme Emotional Disturbance Defense: This defense, while rarely used, could be more promising for Mangione, potentially attributing his actions to a debilitating back injury and subsequent surgery.
• Insanity Plea: Another potential defense is a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity, although the evidence against Mangione is considered overwhelming.

• Insanity Defense Impact: Reduces a second-degree murder charge to manslaughter, lowering the maximum sentence from life to 25 years.
• Successful Insanity Defense Cases: Ian Kazer (2021) and Gigi Jordan (unspecified date) used the defense successfully in their respective cases.
• Challenges of Insanity Defense: Mangione’s actions, such as wearing a face mask and hiding from investigators, could make it difficult to prove insanity.

• Defense Strategy: Defense attorneys aim to limit admissible evidence, potentially suppressing crucial items like the gun, bullet casings, and Mangione’s note.
• Insanity Defense Challenges: The insanity defense rarely succeeds, with only 11 successful cases out of nearly 10,000 trials in New York from 2018 to 2022.
• Jury Nullification Potential: Defense lawyers might attempt to generate juror sympathy and tap into public anger towards the healthcare industry to achieve jury nullification, a scenario where jurors reach a not-guilty verdict despite believing the defendant committed the crime.

last one. Grind the most juice possible out of this orange.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Wow, I had not thought of that.

As you said, its not buying parts for 3-D printed gun "PG". Instead, its buying standard parts for the ubber popular Glock. That is a really "good" design feature of the 3-D gun.

I agree with you fully. The Glock parts are readily available from any number of sources. Likewise, as you said, buying them would not raise any suspicions. Nor would sellers be reluctant to be associated with such parts.

I'm quite baffled as to why things such as barrels, bolts and slides weren't made controlled components in the Gun Control Act 1968 when frames/receivers were, tbh. They are here even though the vast majority don't have serial numbers. You can't just go and buy them off the shelf. Indeed, a "component part" (those mentioned above), along with sound mods, are firearms in their own right here. You can't have a collection of parts to make a gun minus the receiver.

 

[arielilane]

@alcaprari23


The preliminary hearing for Luigi Mangione originally scheduled for 12/23/24 has now been moved forward to this Thursday. I'm in Altoona again and I'll be at that hearing. I'm also digging into some new leads in the meantime.


9:12 AM · Dec 17, 2024